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2018 - The Farm

Well, I've been gone a few years from the board, and away from growing peppers, but looks like life is pushing me back that way again. 
 
I recently (last month) closed on a 25 acre farm in Central Illinois with some primo soil, and I'm going to give a commercial grow a test run. 
 
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From up on the roof, when I was doing some roof repairs on the outbuildings. Not much as far as the eye can see, but cornfields...
 
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Has a 4 stall garage and a horse stable on the property
 
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Probably do my grow room upstairs here after I insulate it
 
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Built some doors for the horse barn and patched the roof last month
 
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Anyway just dropped a cold grand on seeds from pepperlover and buckeye, going to hit a greenhouse supplier up for other materials next week.
 
Have plans to build a 30x72' greenhouse in the spring, and a ~1200 sq foot dedicated grow room. Too late really to help with this year's grow, but next year it'll save me a lot of hassle on hardening off. 
 
The greenhouse, I am going to do a piped infloor heat slab, with a horizontal loop geothermal system (I own a mini excavator) that is solar powered. So heating should be nice, uniform, not create heat / cold bubbles, and not dry out plants like forced air would. I build circuit boards in my day job, so I will also build a microcontroller to handle the automated watering system with soil moisture monitors and actuated plumbing valves on the water supply.
 
Also plan on building a "deep winter" greenhouse for year round production. Got blueprints I made from a couple of years back, those are walled on three sides with heavy duty insulation, with the glass wall side angled to face winter solstice, so you can grow in the deep freeze months of the north. In the summer, those get hot enough to use as a natural dehydrator, replace the tables with racks for bulk drying.
 
Only doing a half acre or so of peppers to start with this year, the balance will be put in corn. I can't manage more than that with the labor I have available. (When you start talking thousands of plants, simple tasks like up-potting grow in to hundreds or thousands of man hours...)
 
Going to hire some local kids to help, school has a good ag co-op program for high schoolers, they can get school credit working on local farms. Since the plant out and harvest doesn't conflict too badly with corn, shouldn't have a problem finding labor around here.
 
Anyway, that's the plans.
 
We'll see how it goes.. er.. grows.
 
 
Chilidude said:
It wil be very interesting to see how long it takes to cover all those expenses growing chilis and tomatoes.
 
Don't forget the melons and sweet corn I'm growing too! Those will make some money too. :)
 
The cold frame buildings can double as temp hay storage in the off season, once I plant the ~20 acres of hay this fall after the soybean harvest. Going to let the entire field grow hay for the next few years (what I don't use for peppers and tomatoes), with no chemicals involved, to get all of it ready for organic certification.
 
Long term if I go bust, I can sell an organic certified stretch of farm to someone who knows what they are doing :) , that's all set up and ready to go. So should appreciate the market value of the land a bit.
 
Chilidude said:
Just put some of coco coir in the organic mix, so the plants will get the coco coir fungus.
 
Huh?? it's 10 parts coco coir, 3 parts vermiculite, 1 part worm castings. I mean the bulk of the mix is already coco.
 
The worm castings seem to have enough bacteria to get the process rolling on the micro biotics without having to use Great White. Although, I do have more on the way just in case those plants start lagging behind. The crap is expensive, would rather avoid it if I don't need it. 
 
Walchit said:
You got those 15 gallon pots cheaper than the nursery sold me used ones for last year($5)

Envious of your cold frame and isolation setup too! I'm kinda glad I don't have the 30-50k budget, idk if I wanna work that hard
 
I'll have a bunch leftover. Even if I do 6 plants per isolation cage that's 180. The price for 180 pots at 15/bundle from greenhouse megastore was 76.32, or $5.08 each.  Would have cost $915 to get 180. At pallet pricing, I can get 450 for $1795, or 3.98 each. A dollar off per pot. Or looking at it another way, for an extra $880 I get close to 3x the number of pots as I would have got for $915. 
 
As for the excess? I'll sell 'em or save them for next year. Those pots sell new for $10 each on amazon, or even higher at Wal Mart, where they're listed as high as $22 each. I could sell them for $10 and make quite a bit on them. Looking at that another way, if I sell 180 at $10, I break even and get 270 pots "free" for my own use. :)
 
Kind of the same thing I want to do with potting soil, bag and sell my own at $$ markup. Gotta make what you can, where you can, right?
 
TrentL said:
 
Huh?? it's 10 parts coco coir, 3 parts vermiculite, 1 part worm castings. I mean the bulk of the mix is already coco.
 
 
Yes, but i meant that you dont need to any other fungus thing in the mix because the coco coir already have that beneficial fungus living in it, it just needs some time to grow inside the plant roots to start benefit it's host. You can already start to see some of the results how the fungi can accelerate the plant growing speed.
 
Chilidude said:
 
Yes, but i meant that you dont need to any other fungus thing in the mix because the coco coir already have that beneficial fungus living in it, it just needs some time to grow inside the plant roots to start benefit it's host. You can already start to see some of the results how the fungi can accelerate the plant growing speed.
 
The coco I got is pretty damn sterile. In the tests I did where I added organic materials, there was no breakdown of anything organic until I added the myco. 
 
When I checked today the plants that didn't get myco were noticeably lagging behind the others that were transplanted the same day. We ran out of myco, and the last 500 or so plants didn't get any.  Even with the fish emulsion, liquid bone meal, and worm castings, there wasn't enough bacteria to get the ball rolling on the microbiotics. I've got more great white on the way, next liquid fertilizer run is Sunday, so should be in by then.
 
Finished off the first gallon of pH down today. 
 
It takes 135 gallons of water to water the plants. 2.5 cups of pH down, each time. 
 
Right now the plants seem to be stabilized at an every 4th day watering schedule. Although by day 3 there's a few plants which require a bit of a sip. I spot check on day 2 and 3, giving a half cup of water to those which are bone dry. Then everything gets watered on day 4.
 
Damn, that's more than 4x the amount of ph down per gallon I use. My water out the tap is 8.5 and I need exactly 1ml to get a gallon down to 6.5ish. My 3am math has you over 4ml per gallon. That's insane.

Can't wait to see the parking lot, much needed I'm sure
 
Genetikx said:
Damn, that's more than 4x the amount of ph down per gallon I use. My water out the tap is 8.5 and I need exactly 1ml to get a gallon down to 6.5ish. My 3am math has you over 4ml per gallon. That's insane.

Can't wait to see the parking lot, much needed I'm sure
 
For a 4.5 gal drywall bucket (our standard water hauler upstairs) it takes 1 tablespoon (15ml) and 1 teaspoon (5ml) to get us down to 6.18, which is what I normally water with. Another teaspoon gets me down to 5.8, which is what I use on the passive hydro table.
 
Genetikx said:
Damn, that's more than 4x the amount of ph down per gallon I use. My water out the tap is 8.5 and I need exactly 1ml to get a gallon down to 6.5ish. My 3am math has you over 4ml per gallon. That's insane.

Can't wait to see the parking lot, much needed I'm sure
 
Also one of the things that affects how much pH down you need is the hardness of the water. I posted the lab results (many pages back) of the water at the farm; it's incredibly hard water. Tons of iron (4.6mg / liter), potassium (2.2mg / liter), sulfur (21 mg/liter), zinc (150ug/liter), and manganese (230ug/liter).
 
Potassium is a natural "pH up" - it's actually what they use in the reverse of the pH down. :)
 
So yeah, it's tough to get my water "down."
 
Same deal at home, I have to add 75 ml, delivered via 1/4 cup (60ml) and 1 tablespoon (15ml) of 5% acetic vinegar per 5 gallon bucket, to bring our 7.58 pH water down to 6.20.
 
I will very likely use 30% acetic vinegar in 55 gallon drums at the farm for irrigation.
 
I did the math on pH down for irrigation? Noooope. At an estimated 1500 gallons per watering (in the field), it would take 1.79 gallons of pH down to get the water down to 6.2. That's expensive.
 
Meanwhile with 30% acetic vinegar I should be able to get away with about half as much quantity (about .8 gallon, if my math is right), and I can get a 55 gallon drum of 30% acetic vinegar for $323. Which puts the cost at $5.87 vs. > $25 per gallon for pH down. Since I'll be using half as much, it'll put my per-watering cost at $4.69 using 30% vinegar vs. $44.75 for pH down.
 
Chilidude said:
You might want start installing those rain water collectors as soon as possible, as it will be the best stuff you can give to those plants.
 
Won't be nearly enough dude. At the peak of summer when we have no rain, I'll need upwards of 1500 gallons a day. And... that's required because.. there's no rain. :)
 
Storage tanks are damned expensive, too. I already have to buy a pair of them to stage irrigation since my well head doesn't have enough flow - a 2,000 gallon for the field, and a 1,000 gallon for the cold frame houses, and they're setting me back quite a lot. I'll have to run the well 8 hours to fill those. Then I'll irrigate off of 1 horsepower pumps, pumping from the tank, that can each handle 30 gpm. (The cold frame one is being overspec'd because eventually I'll have 14 cold frame houses on it at a square footage of 32,400 square feet under cold frame houses, that need irrigated)
 
There's just no way I could collect and store enough rain in the spring off of the lonely 2100 sq foot building I have, to irrigate the field. At best I might be able to collect 2,000 gallons, but again, that's only good for one watering. And that'd set me back quite a bit. A cheap 2,000 gallon tower tank at the local tractor supply store is over $1000. A better horizontal 2,000 gallon one delivered from a greehouse supplier is over $2,000.
 
I'm not spending that kind of coin to store water for one lonely watering. :)
 
Ok then, It is good that my measly 12 chili bushes will be fine with the 200 litre rain water collector i have next to my small greenhouse and i can bet that the rainwater was the secret sauce for producing nice chili harvest in the end.
 
Were you planning to do a pond or something? I thought I remembered you saying something about that in a previous page.. Maybe not.
 
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