5 Gallon Buckets vs. 5 Gallon Grow Bags?

Grow bags do require a lot more water.  This can lead to soil flushing and salt and calcium buildup.
 
On the other hand, all that evaporating water does a great job of keeping the soil and roots cool. This is vital in sunny, hot climates like Aridzona.  I always get significantly better growth from my wallybag plants than anything in a pot.
 
mwdxx said:
 also member plants like to be grown next to other plants

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 a plant will always do better if it does not touch another plant. when they touch they fight for light and that is wasted energy the plant spends on something other than growing its fruit or flower. easiest way to see this is look at trees.... in a forest they grow str8 up and have barley any branches... now look at a tree that is growing without touching others, it grow out not up and has full long branches. thats why plants have spacing charts to get optimum yeild. only my 2c with my own personal experinces
 
Got any hollowed out tree trunks?
 
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I have been using grow bags for years and they are great for durability and storage reasons... to address some of the concerns people on here have about them, mainly drying out to fast and water pouring out the side, both are easily remedied and plants do much better in bags in my opinion...
 
First, to stop the water from running out the sides when poured on top... simple fix is when planting the seedling in the pot to have the center soil in the pot 2 or so inches lower than the soil around the edge of the pot... make a soil bowl so to speak... then when you water the water runs to the middle where the plant is like a funnel and the soil wall acts as a dam from leakage out the side... after drying once the damn maintains itself and does not wash down to be flat... it maintains its funnel all summer and easy fix to if it does fall you just pack it back in place where it fell... no more water out the sides... NEXT
 
For drying out to fast, its quite easy to put the pots in loose plastic bags... 3 gallon bags fit perfectly inside of grocery store bags and 5 gallon bags fit easily in small kitchen garbage bags... its the wind and air movement and drainage so putting them in loose fitting bags holds water that runs out the bottom for future plant usage,blocks the wind from wicking the bags dry, and best of all, the loose fitting bags do not negate the purpose of the fabric pots as they still continue to air prune. kinda turns the air pots into the benefits of both worlds... simple... just leave the plastic bags loose around the bag and only attach them at 2 to 4 points around the top of the pot...
 
hope that helped...
 
 
 
if your plants are already in the pots its not difficult to build a damn around the top with wet soil, wait till it dries and then you have a soil damn
 
That won't work if the root structure has matured.  The problem is that the roots become like a drainage amendment, unto themselves.  The soil dam won't do anything to fix that.
 
The way to fix it, is to put the bag in a container that will catch the overflow, and then let it reabsorb.
 
solid7 said:
That won't work if the root structure has matured.  The problem is that the roots become like a drainage amendment, unto themselves.  The soil dam won't do anything to fix that.
 
The way to fix it, is to put the bag in a container that will catch the overflow, and then let it reabsorb.
 

it does work, ive been using this method for 10 years, have a dozen multiyear plants in bags and never have spillage out the sides or bottom... as i stated above, plastic bags for the re absorption... it doesnt matter what kind of "drainage amendment" you add to soil or if the roots become them, soil will always absorb the same amount of water it always has before starting to spit it out as the amount of soil has not changed and nothing you add to it whether in the begining or slowly growing into it like roots will keep it from absorbing that same amount... the problem is not mature roots, the problem is dry soil with air pockets...
 
anyone that grows has seen it when you pour water on top of dry soil it just sits there or will roll off the side... in a plastic container thats no problem cause its forced next to the soil still... runs out the sides on fabric... bt everyone has also seen that once the water breaks the air barrier and starts flowing into the soil suddenly any soil you place in that area just flows right in...
 
creating a bowl shape puts the most water pressure around the base of the plant in the center and that breaks through first sending all the water down the middle filling outwards as it goes... indoors i have no need for my bags to be in any saucers or plates for run off and only outside do i use the plastic bags to stop the wind from wicking away moisture...
 
done right smart pots dont need any more watering than any other type of pot and they do a better job of root growth... which brings me to my last thing, "mature roots"..
 
mature root systems in buckets and mature root systems in bags are 2 different thing... in bags they become like giant balls of hair cause they stop growing when the reach the edge... in buckets they never stop growing just circling so the get thicker and thicker nearer the plant the farther the root tip travels... a mature system in a bag DOES NOT become a soil amendment onto itself cause the roots are more,but the roots are also hair like holding the soil in place not pushing it out the way like in buckets...
 
bottom line is bags are no different than buckets besides 3 points which i remedied above... wind wicking away the moisture (plastic bags), water running out the sides before breaking the air soil barrier (funnel bowl shaped soil), and better, more expansive, more evenly laid out root systems....
 
that will be my last post on this topic... the op can decide on his/her own...
 
Well, I'm glad that you are the final word on that.  
 
I have air pots, and can assure you that they don't like to hold water when they're full of roots.  I have a year round growing season, so I know what multi-year plants do.  No amount of "damning" (sic) will keep water in my air pots, once the roots reach the capacity of the pot - which they do in the course of a growing season.   I've got 2 large eggplants right now in 10 gallon air pots that are dry a day and a half after a torrential downpour. (normal waterings are almost pointless)
 
The solution has been to put them in a container that catches the runoff.  If I ever use those things again, I'm putting a small dish inside the bottom of the container.  Otherwise, you put all the cones in the soil you like - for me, it's going straight into the media (because you don't use soil in air pots) and right out the bottom of the pot.  Even in the center.
 
No need to defend the system like a religion.  Everything has a drawback, and it's ok to discuss them, without getting offended.  Most bags and pots work fine until the plants get really large.  
 
so potting soil changes to media when you put it in air bags? and you really went grammar police on the spelling of  "damming" but im the one getting offended? ok... the only other thing you said different than me was container which a plastic bag is once the airpot is in it... talking in circles... to each their own... we'll agree to disagree although all your doing is repeating what i said and changing the words... a rose by any other name is still a rose and you are flat out wrong on the roots being a problem in airpots... also i never said i was the final word i left that up to the op, i said thats MY final word... but when someone acts like a tool and gets offended while accusing you of being offended because you are smart enough to write more than a sentence long explanation, yes that does deserve a reply... and thats not just you either... this whole world has turned into cry babies that accuse anyone that writes more than 160 characters as being angry, offended or crazy... just because something longer than a tweet makes your head hurt does not mean the person writing it is yelling in your ear... i was none of the above and simply stated my case and explained them more than "THAT WONT WORK - ROOTS"... you do your way, ill do mine and as i said before the OP can decide what they like from the giving information... RUDE... topic unfollowed...
 
JBSmooth said:
this whole world has turned into cry babies that accuse anyone that writes more than 160 characters as being angry, offended or crazy...
I think this qualifies as the authoritative definition of "irony"

Hahaha...  another happy customer.  Sorry you forgot your anxiety meds today.  Great write-up, though.  :rofl:
 
JBSmooth said:
so potting soil changes to media when you put it in air bags?
No, potting soil is potting soil, and soilless media is media. I've never in my life used potting soil in a container. Most growers here, that have any amount of success, don't use it, either. I'm sure that I'm wrong about that, too, though. Don't want to argue and get you all bent of shape, though... How many characters was that?
 
I want to thank everyone for the great info, and there seems to be advantages to using both methods.  After reading through all of the comments I decided that I was going to give a stab at trying 5 gallon buckets this season. 
After making this decision I went on Craig’s list and low and behold there was a local guy selling large quantities of buckets for cheap and I picked up 45 of these guys with lids for  $60.  I thought it was a pretty good deal so I jumped on it.  I wanted to go with the standard 5 gallon paint bucket but I’m sure these will work too.  What do you guys think?
 
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They'll work just fine for a Chicago season. I used 5-6 gallon buckets up in Madison. I grew more peppers than i'll be able to consume. 
 
BUT...i did find a couple really big landscaping tree pots that i may try to baby some select specimens in.
 
 
i did quite a few "root pouch" grow bags this year. they need a TON of water. i used promix HP as media, so maybe something a little heavier and less drain-ey would do better.
 
they were fine, but during some of the hot (95 degree+) stretches of summer, i felt like i needed to water some of the plants 3 or 4 times a day. 
 
Look up "Hempy Bucket", and consider using the concept. Only difference being, just above the perlite layer, add your normal grow media.

It works.
 
Don't know why you are provoking, dude. Having a PWT jab when referencing a hydroponic growing system isn't exactly a moment of brilliance.
 
solid7 said:
Don't know why you are provoking, dude. Having a PWT jab when referencing a hydroponic growing system isn't exactly a moment of brilliance.
Sorry, and I mean it. There was never a mention of hydroponics to this point and in looking at hempy bucket URLs I thought it was a form of self watering system with growing media/soil?

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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
Sorry, and I mean it. There was never a mention of hydroponics to this point and in looking at hempy bucket URLs I thought it was a form of self watering system with growing media/soil?

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OK, fair enough. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Hempy is nothing more than a mix of sub-irrigated (wicking) planter, and drain-to-waste hydroponics. Both methods are a form of passive hydroponics. In this case, the difference is that we are using some sort of soilless media on top of perlite, instead of the traditional Hempy method, which is pure perlie, from top to bottom. I have grown with both coco coir and peat moss. For my buckets, I make a mix of 75/25 coco coir and perlite. Then, to that "pre-mix", I will add 15-20% composted rabbit manure.

The perched water table issue is a non-issue, because the point would be to use a very free draining media. Also, each layer of different grow media has its own PWT, and we don't look at it as some composite of the whole system. We ignore PWT in this form of system, because we aren't looking for a media that holds moisture - we are wicking.  As long as we maintain a good ratio of air/water in the media, the rest is autopilot.
 
Here is one of my current buckets:
 
http://thehotpepper.com/topic/57951-what-tomatoes-are-you-growing-in-2016/?p=1395108
 
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