alkhall 2018

alkhall · Aug 27, 2018

Red Primo with sunshine illuminating pod from behind:

Cluster of Red Primos:

Jay's Red Ghost Scorpions are pretty gnarly:

Bhuter · Aug 27, 2018

Very nice clusters!!!!!! So jealous over here. I'm barely pulling a box at a time, but I'll have too many in October because they're loading up now, finally!

Great looking Jay's Reds!!!! Primos look spot on. I didn't grow a primo this year. . But I think I will again next year. Awesome stuff!

alkhall · Aug 28, 2018

Thanks Adam, I have been really fortunate to have good weather this year.

The JRGS are from your seeds we traded my Red CPR seeds for last year. There are some seriously gnarly pods on those two plants!

The Primos are from that super gnarly pod from last year:

That plant, I got the seeds from Primos Peppers.

Hope your grow continues to improve, and by the way, your Cinders are some of the largest and most productive plants I have.

alkhall · Aug 29, 2018

Getting ready for work this morning, about 5:15, I noticed the motion sensor light (5000K LED) on the back porch was on.

Naturally, I looked out to see if someone was in the yard.

No-one was, but I noticed that the light really lit up some of the pods in the raised bed; notably, the lighter colored pods of the caramel varieties:

The plant to the left is Big Caramel Mama, on the right is Adam's Cinder.

The picture does not show how many pods there actually are, maybe ~60%.

Bhuter · Aug 30, 2018

Oh my lord! HUGE!!!!! And gorgeous! I love the light color of unripened caramels. I'm so glad the Cinder is working out for you. My F3 are just beginning to ripen. Have you tried one yet? Excellent grow Al!!! Love it!

alkhall · Aug 30, 2018

Thanks Adam,

They really stand out under the security light, almost fluorescent, much more than in normal daylight.

Your Cinder is definitely one of the best producers, an absolute winner!

I will try one this weekend, going to compare to the Big Caramel Mama.

Bhuter · Aug 30, 2018

Thank you very much!!! Awesome! I'm curious to see which has a better flavor. And of course, heat. But I mainly choose my plants by the way they grow and the color. That's about it. I had one plant in F1 that had the shape you see today (I know it gives a lot of different phenos, but the Moruga-looking shape is what I mean). That's the plant I isolated and the only time I saved seeds based on pod shape. But I'm glad to hear that multiple people are getting great plant loads from it!!!

Thank you again for growing this. :woohoo:

alkhall · Aug 31, 2018

Adam's Cinder vs. Big Caramel Mama, taste test.

The contenders; Cinder on left, BCM on right.

The BCM is much lighter, almost the color of actual caramel candy, the Cinder is a deep caramel, almost rust colored.

Both have decent placenta and both have droplets of oil (although my pics do not clearly show it).

I only do a small piece when tasting, trying to get the flavor without overwhelming heat, so I cut about a 1/2 inch off the tip of the larger half of each pod.

First, the BCM.

As Chinense go, the flavor was extremely mild, almost non-existent, very slightly floral, quite pleasant.

Heat-wise; instant back-of-throat burn, unpleasant, quite sharp, almost painful, but subsided in about a minute, tongue burn slowly built, which was not bad at all and lasted about ten minutes.

Next, the Cinder.

Flavor; I immediately thought of celery, and a hint of grassiness, no floral or fruity flavor. Very nice for a Chinense.

Heat-wise; Tongue burn was quick to develop, built for several minutes and was fairly intense, also lasting about ten minutes, no back-of-throat burn to speak of, just a slight tingling .

One thing I like about both is neither pod caused lip burn.

I will do another tasting tomorrow, reversing the order to balance the influence of one pod over the other, and post my thoughts.

Bhuter · Sep 1, 2018

alkhall said:
Adam's Cinder vs. Big Caramel Mama, taste test.

The contenders; Cinder on left, BCM on right.

The BCM is much lighter, almost the color of actual caramel candy, the Cinder is a deep caramel, almost rust colored.

Both have decent placenta and both have droplets of oil (although my pics do not clearly show it).

I only do a small piece when tasting, trying to get the flavor without overwhelming heat, so I cut about a 1/2 inch off the tip of the larger half of each pod.

First, the BCM.

As Chinense go, the flavor was extremely mild, almost non-existent, very slightly floral, quite pleasant.

Heat-wise; instant back-of-throat burn, unpleasant, quite sharp, almost painful, but subsided in about a minute, tongue burn slowly built, which was not bad at all and lasted about ten minutes.

Next, the Cinder.

Flavor; I immediately thought of celery, and a hint of grassiness, no floral or fruity flavor. Very nice for a Chinense.

Heat-wise; Tongue burn was quick to develop, built for several minutes and was fairly intense, also lasting about ten minutes, no back-of-throat burn to speak of, just a slight tingling .

One thing I like about both is neither pod caused lip burn.

I will do another tasting tomorrow, reversing the order to balance the influence of one pod over the other, and post my thoughts.

Terrific comparison, Al! I haven't tried the F3 but for me, the F2 was all throat and gut. It's interesting how the capcsicinoids affect different people in different ways. Celery and grassy, I like that. I'm glad you're going to do a reverse comparison. That's a great idea!

Fantastic write-up! I've read it multiple times. Lol. Great job!!

alkhall · Sep 1, 2018

Just did the the second taste test.

This time, the Cinder actually had a bit of sweetness to the taste, quite nice flavor.

Same burn; all in the mouth, not too bad, lasting about ten minutes.

The BCM had somewhat lesser back-of-throat burn this time, but still present, mouth burn somewhat stronger than the Cinder, also lasting about ten minutes. Flavor pretty much non-existent.

Overall, I would say the BCM is a little hotter and has more aggressive burn, but no flavor to speak of. The Cinder has a great flavor, not typical of what I expect from Chinense.

Between the two, I would choose the Cinder because of the flavor, and I do not like the throat burn of the BCM.

alkhall · Sep 2, 2018

For such large plants:

The 7-Pot BBG Chocolate make rather small pods:

CPR making some nice pods:

Bhuter · Sep 2, 2018

alkhall said:
Just did the the second taste test.

This time, the Cinder actually had a bit of sweetness to the taste, quite nice flavor.

Same burn; all in the mouth, not too bad, lasting about ten minutes.

The BCM had somewhat lesser back-of-throat burn this time, but still present, mouth burn somewhat stronger than the Cinder, also lasting about ten minutes. Flavor pretty much non-existent.

Overall, I would say the BCM is a little hotter and has more aggressive burn, but no flavor to speak of. The Cinder has a great flavor, not typical of what I expect from Chinense.

Between the two, I would choose the Cinder because of the flavor, and I do not like the throat burn of the BCM.

Great review! You covered all points and even did a reverse review. I thought they'd be close to the same, but I'm so happy you like the flavor of the Cinder over the BCM. The heat, yeah it's important, but if there's no flavor, who's gonna use it?? Lol

Thank you very much for this comparison. I might have to get a box to PeterS to get his take also. He's done F1 and F2. When I get extra cash, I'll probably do that.

Thanks again, Al! Your garden is pretty darn amazing and great color on the chocolate BBG...almost caramel.

alkhall · Sep 5, 2018

Picked a few from the growbag plants today:

Top row - MRM 7 Brown Peachy
Second row - MRM 7 Brown Peachy, CPR
Third row - Trinidad Scorpion Moruga UV Chocolate, Skunk Red
Fourth and fifth rows - Skunk Red

First and second rows - Apocalypse Chocolate
Third and fourth rows - Chocolate Reaper

First, second, third rows - Naglah Beast Chocolate
Bottom row - (not from a growbag plant, but I need to dehydrate) BBG7 Chocolate.

Mr. West · Sep 6, 2018

I like those BBG7 choco look like something out of science-fiction.

alkhall · Sep 8, 2018

Saturday morning, was not raining too hard, so I picked a few.

Skunk red:

Chocolate Reaper/Scorpion:

MRM 7 Brown Peachy:

Jay's Red Ghost Scorpion:

Jay' Red Ghost Scorpion, MRM 7 Brown Peachy:

295 pods.

Bhuter · Sep 8, 2018

You are absolutely killin' it this year, Al! I'd like to get some of those peachy seeds from you, if I could.

Nice to see your Jays Red look on point and not FAT like the pod the seeds care from. Lol

alkhall · Sep 8, 2018

Adam,

PM sent.

Thanks, it has been a pretty good year so far, and the plants are actually just beginning to really make pods.

Hopefully, I get at least five or six more weeks of harvest before the frost.

alkhall · Sep 9, 2018

Red Primo:

180 pods, discarded 43 others that were not any good.

alkhall · Sep 10, 2018

Monday after work pick.

Bhutlah:

Cinder:

161 pods.

alkhall · Sep 16, 2018

Four months after plant-out:

The two tallest, in the middle; BBG7 Chocolate on the left, Chocolate Reaper/Scorpion on the right, have topped the privacy fence.

Brown Large Scorpion Cross:

Wrecking Ball 7 (NOT) Brown, and Naglah Beast Chocolate:

226 pods total.