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ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞 🌱 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)❌16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🤩🌱🌶️16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)⭐🌱🌶️16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🤞16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.


A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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The new unripe pods are now coming thick and fast on the bigger of my X034 F1 plants (Stripey x PDN)
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First open flower on my X033 F1 plant looks to have self-pollinated instantly. This branch is growing way outside the aerogarden light but I let it run to see if it was self-fertile. The rest of the plant has been heavily pruned to try and keep it in check.

Now the wait to see if it is a true cross.
Brazilian Starfish Orange (C.Baccatum) x Jay's Peach Ghost Scorpion (C.Chinense) hopefully.

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X034 F1: Liking this F1 more each day as some ripening starts, the colours and contrasts!
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One pod with less direct light exposure seems to have transitioned to orange, don't know how much further it will go yet. Expecting colours will be too dark to see any striping in the F1 if that has made it through ok. Suspect that will be something to find in an F2 grow out, viable seeds allowing.
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Once something is finally ripe it will also be intriguing to see if the pods retain a Baccatum smell/taste or if the Chinense comes through. So far the only hint of Chinense has been in the stigma and anther colours on the Baccatum flower.
 
Mildfruit said:
Well that took me down a rabbit hole 😄
Of course I’m sad my billion dollar crossing idea have already been made, but I’m also glad to have learned about that project. Next year I’ll definitely make room for growing out some of those plants, sounds awesome!
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Glad you visited the Trippaul Threat thread. I would be happy
to send you some seeds of the F4 now, or if you prefer, some
of the F5 at the end of the season. It's my favorite of the Trippaul
Threat v2 variants. The orange variant is my second. Trying to
grow one out this season, but the plant is sort of anemic. It twas
the smallest plant in the original grow-out that produced all the
variants.
 
Pods starting to form on multiple F1 plants for my alternative colour breeding line on #stripeystarfish, these are Brazilian Starfish Orange x Sugar Rush Stripey, main lines are based on the yellow starfish. A couple of examples of varied pod shapes:
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X033 F1: Brazilian Starfish Orange x Jay's Peach Ghost Scorpion, first pod starting shape similar to the mother. Hopefully I'll get some wacky shaped pods soon to confirm that this is indeed a valid cross rather than an accidental self.
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X037 F1: Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Pimenta De Neyde, first fork now complete and started initial bud development.
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Bou said:
Nice productivity too👌 How big is that plant?
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Yes, took a while to start setting pods but then everything started setting. Quite flower dense.

I'll try to get a picture of it at some point, perhaps when I cull some of the other tent plants. Not much room in there to separate right now. It's probably 20-24" tall and about the same across the canopy. I've been pruning it to reduce spread. Typical Baccatum type branching from low down.

A few pictures from a month ago, it's the plant in the front left. Slightly shorter now from pruning tips but broader canopy. It's in a massive 1 litre food tub DWC for scale 🤣 You can see a sharpie on the floor for scale next to one tub. That tent floor is 24" front to back to give you an idea.
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thoroughburro said:
Such well-defined, spiky calyxes! Like little Jughead crowns.
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Yes, the calyx on these is very nice. This plant has neat flowers too, although one of the other F1s in my Aerogarden has an even more pronounced Baccatum corolla. The AG plants aren't setting much, still trying to figure them out.

HellfireFarm said:
Do you distribute your crosses once you stabilize them? I would be interested.

I would be curious how they look when dried.
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For my main projects I'll definitely be looking to stabilise before letting them out there. Selection and stabilising is part of the challenge I enjoy, making the actual cross is the easy bit, relatively speaking.
 
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