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ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞 🌱 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)❌16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🤩🌱🌶️16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)⭐🌱🌶️16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🤞16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.


A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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MarcV said:
Actually I was referring to the color transition from pale yellow via orange to red. I didn't notice the stripe... 🤭
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Oh I know! I love the colour transition. I didn't discover this striped pod until after you said that, the first ripe pod had no striping. I either took it too soon or it didn't have any. This striping discovery on the F1 is hot off the press today :-)
 
Found a couple of others, probably some others lurking too. One of them confirms to me that the striping can be seen at least part way through the set of colour transitions and is retained on ripening, at least based on the evidence I have so far.

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This is actually the first time I’ve seen the stripey genetics on the inside, because I assumed they would carry through at least somewhat. I guess this suggests that the action is happening entirely within the epicarp.

To contrast, the anthocyanin-in-pods genetics carry all the way through the whole pericarp, resulting in a marbled interior. I can’t wait to follow along as these stripes are further observed and understood!
 
Am I the only one who thinks that, of existing genetic phenomena, what these stripes resemble is mericlinal chimerism, which produces similarly sharp-edged, rectangular strips. Like this example, from Reddit:

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To me, that is so visually similar as to be worth investigating whether they are related. That said, this type of chimerism is a result of mutation and should not be stable. If the Sugar Rush Stripey stripes are related, it could imply an inheritable mechanism which consistently induces chimeric mutations of a particular type. I have no idea if that’s even possible.

But that’s what fun about cutting edge genetics; wild speculation is fair game until a solid theory is arrived at. 😉
 
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This is actually the first time I’ve seen the stripey genetics on the inside, because I assumed they would carry through at least somewhat. I guess this suggests that the action is happening entirely within the epicarp.

To contrast, the anthocyanin-in-pods genetics carry all the way through the whole pericarp, resulting in a marbled interior. I can’t wait to follow along as these stripes are further observed and understood!
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On some Sugar Rush Stripey I have seen bleed through. On some, especially when very ripe, you can get the red bleed into the placenta. I suspect that's related to why you can grow some Sugar Rush Stripey plants that revert to fully red.
 
thoroughburro said:
Am I the only one who thinks that, of existing genetic phenomena, what these stripes resemble is mericlinal chimerism, which produces similarly sharp-edged, rectangular strips. Like this example, from Reddit:

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To me, that is so visually similar as to be worth investigating whether they are related. That said, this type of chimerism is a result of mutation and should not be stable. If the Sugar Rush Stripey stripes are related, it could imply an inheritable mechanism which consistently induces chimeric mutations of a particular type. I have no idea if that’s even possible.

But that’s what fun about cutting edge genetics; wild speculation is fair game until a solid theory is arrived at. 😉
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When deseeding a couple of ripe pods I noticed some subtle markings on a tiny pod as well, I'd not even noticed when I picked it off. Only had 3 ripe pods off the plant so far, that means 2 from 3 had recognisable markings. Lots of pods on plant to see how it pans out more broadly.
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I knew it'd be fun to play with these genetics to try and get a better insight into them. Between this and #stripeystarfish I should become much more informed, going to take years though.
 
Mildfruit said:
Peach is a nice new addition to the line of Starfish's so not a bad thing at all! What color was the initial starfish?
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I used the yellow one on this cross.

skullbiker said:
They look like they would be every bit as good as PeppaPeach for pickling.
How is the flavor on them?
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Not tried these specific pods as yet. The pods from the other two sibling F1s were as tasty as you'd expect from the two parents. They were similar to the Sugar Rush Stripey but I detected a little more apple I think, that's a flavour I associate with the Starfish Yellow. I'll post back if these are any different once I get to try them.
 
First opening flower on X037 F1 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Baccatum) x Pimenta De Neyde (C.Chinense).

Observations so far:
  • Baccatum calyx
  • Purple stigma & anthers from the Chinense
  • Can't see any obvious corolla markings yet but will wait until the flower is fully open
  • Stems and foliage were much darker but this plant has been under lower powered lights recently. Might move it into my main grow tent now it's flowering. It's just in a double-cup in coco at the moment.
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The speckles on the left pod are interesting. If the stripes can manifest as isolated dots, that must tell us something of its mechanism… and on the left side of that pod is what clearly looks to me like a dashed line: the speckles or dots elongated along a common path.

So, it seems the stripes can be interrupted or abbreviated, but when they are, the paths along which they would have run remain. I wonder if this suggests that the paths exist regardless of the striping genetics being present. Maybe the stripes are a combination of a mechanism following an unrelated path of least resistance.
 
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The speckles on the left pod are interesting. If the stripes can manifest as isolated dots, that must tell us something of its mechanism… and on the left side of that pod is what clearly looks to me like a dashed line: the speckles or dots elongated along a common path.

So, it seems the stripes can be interrupted or abbreviated, but when they are, the paths along which they would have run remain. I wonder if this suggests that the paths exist regardless of the striping genetics being present. Maybe the stripes are a combination of a mechanism following an unrelated path of least resistance.
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Yes, that's just the same as on the Sugar Rush Stripey parent. Often the stripes aren't continuous and you get areas of dashes. On the photos I posted before of Plant 1, you can see bigger dots or patches, my theory is that these are the same dashes but they've expanded because of the biased horizontal growth of the starfish pheno.
 
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