ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞 🌱 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)❌16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🤩🌱🌶️16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)⭐🌱🌶️16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🤞16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.



A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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Slick video!
Thanks :lol:

I deliberately keep them functional. If I go too glossy on filming & editing I'd never actually get round to doing them. I'm never going to be the next @Pepper-Guru 🤩 with these.

Limiting them to graphics and photos makes it happen and let's me share experiences, the fact I'm on Episode 6 proves that :) I always found it hard to find examples of everything that happened to get to an end result on a cross, so figured I'd do it on this project. Outcome.....unknown!
 

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Well I notice things like proper English and grammar too. So many "slick" videos with random misspellings, apostrophes, structure. It just looks clean and informative.
 
X005 F2 (Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero)

Plant A :
I'm calling these very close to ripe or ripe. The colour has deepened over the last 4-5 days but I can't see them going past a mid-orange.
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Plant B : Still mostly deep purple pods but has one that's moved to a pink-purple. This won't be the final colour but would be neat if it was!
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X005 F2 (Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero)

Plant A :
I'm calling these very close to ripe or ripe. The colour has deepened over the last 4-5 days but I can't see them going past a mid-orange.
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Plant B : Still mostly deep purple pods but has one that's moved to a pink-purple. This won't be the final colour but would be neat if it was!
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Ripe from Plant A
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Ripe from Plant B
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Not checked for seeds or taste tested as yet.
 
Beautiful shading on those, @ChilliCrosser. Well done :clap:
Thanks @PaulG

I didn't have space to grow that many F2s on this cross this year but figured I'd grow a few rather than none. The plants had a hard time, so I'm hoping with better growing conditions they may have given some larger pods. I was looking to increase the pod size a little from the Fidalgo Roxa but on these two plants the only influence seems to be the rounding of the Roxa pod shape as influenced by the father.

The colour-ways are in the range I was expecting, so not disappointed there. I'll see how they taste and then decide if I hold the cross back for growing more F2s. If the taste on one, or both, is good then I might push it forward to F3 anyway and hope for better pod sizes with improved growing conditions. Taste-wise I'm hoping for some pull-through from the Fidalgo Roxa but avoiding the full-on heat level of the Giant White Habanero. I'll try them later today and report back.
 
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Results are in for the taste tests on the X005 F2 pods shown here.

Plant A - peach coloured pods. Habanero-ish type taste not dissimilar to the father, little bit of floral, heat up there with habaneros, may be not quite as hot as the father but same range. Way hotter than the Fidalgo Roxa mother.

Plant B - pinkish pod. Flavours in a similar vein to the Fidalgo Roxa and a little hint of sweetness, I think a little hotter than the Fidalgo Roxa but not by much.

If I had to pick just one of these to grow forward into F3 then it'd be Plant B based on my preferred flavours and heat levels. It's a looker too which is bonus.

Plant A is decent though, good enough to grow out if space allows whenever.
 
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B definitely looks and sounds like a winner!
Thanks @CaneDog ! Yes, it has a good balance of taste, heat and looks for me at least.

I have two routes where I can still get the pod size up a little, grow these out in F3 but bigger population to improve odds and if I still have enough F2 seeds left do another bigger F2 grow out in the future to hunt for the bigger ones.

I had less capacity for cross grow outs this year as I was growing lots of other varieties to try out or for starting new crosses. Rather than leave this cross on the shelf for a year I opted to try a few and only grew 3 F2 plants, I normally aim for at least 10. One did nothing, the other two are those in the photos. Never a bad outcome with a tasty non-blob pheno though :-)
 
Another mystery one from my own open pollinated seeds. I'm thinking this plus some other accidentals I've had are actually F2s rather than F1s as they were from a parent plant with red pods. That said, who knows, I'm just taking these free ones now and anything interesting and/or tasty gets grown out regardless.

Strong citrus smell when cutting open, Baccatum dominant plant, low-ish heat, quite thin walled, some colour shading on some pods. Immature pods were a mid-green colour. Lots more pods ripening.

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First F1 flower opening on my #stripeystarfish project.

The plant looks terrible though as I had a DWC bubbler failure, user error! Nearly lost the plant and most leaves dropped but after a few days the new growth still looks ok and buds are still swelling. I have other F1 plants for this but never good to see. I prefer kratky for indoors as less reliant on equipment but wanted to try some small scale DWCs in my tent. I'm only using 1L tubs to keep plants small, so limited liquid and air gap space to play with, I like making my life difficult 🤦‍♂️

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Nice results @ChilliCrosser. The puckered blossom ends
on your mystery cross are unique to say the least. Way
cool. bro!
It's so weird isn't it and the pods on that plant are reasonably consistent, will post a group shot of others once I harvest them.

I'm thinking that one, X018 & X031 in the group photo above are all F2s from the same accidental cross based on my seed batches. Sounds crazy every time I type that but it seems the most plausible explanation I've come up with. The X018 & X031 both have the same tubular blossom end formation but obviously way shorter. The X031 is also the one that threw my couple of 'octopus' pheno pods which had elongated arms too.

Some weird genetics at play, I'm going to play along.
 
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