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breeding Cross Pollinating Peppers

Matt50680

Matt50680

Ok, I have been wondering about this for awhile now and wonder if it would work. I have some Giant Chinese peppers growing , they are sweets, supposed to be upto 7" long and upto 5" wide when mature. My question is this, can you cross pollinate a sweet to a hot? I think it would be kick ass to cross this with a bhut or trinidad? It would be awesome to have a bhut or trinidad that was a monster like the giant chinese.

I found this link on crossing peppers...
http://www.fatalii.net/growing/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=54

On the cross chart it shows the Chinese Giant as an annum and the Trinidad as a Chinese, showing cross compatibility with a PF, which meant F1 Hybrid partially fertile
 
Matt50680 said:
Ok, I have been wondering about this for awhile now and wonder if it would work. I have some Giant Chinese peppers growing , they are sweets, supposed to be upto 7" long and upto 5" wide when mature. My question is this, can you cross pollinate a sweet to a hot? I think it would be kick ass to cross this with a bhut or trinidad? It would be awesome to have a bhut or trinidad that was a monster like the giant chinese.

I found this link on crossing peppers...
http://www.fatalii.net/growing/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=54

On the cross chart it shows the Chinese Giant as an annum and the Trinidad as a Chinese, showing cross compatibility with a PF, which meant F1 Hybrid partially fertile
Click to expand...

Crossing an annuum with a chinense is possible - I made such a cross (Pequin de Ischia x Naga Morich) a couple of years ago and the F1-seeds indeed proved partially fertile, i.e. 2 out of 6 seeds germinated. From there on germination should be normal, all my F2-seeds planted also germinated.

However, achieving a giant pepper variety by crossing a giant sweet pepper with a relatively small-podded chinense seems to be quite difficult, since small fruit size seems to be very dominant... Also it seems that the typical chinense-flavour is not dominant - in my F2-plants there wasn't a lot of it...

Here is my "Nagaquin" (Small Wild from Mexico syn. Pequin de Ischia x Naga Morich) project:
The mother variety: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb157/donnie_1978/capsicum_2007/Small_Wild_from_Mexico/
The father variety: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb157/donnie_1978/capsicum_2007/Naga_Morich/
The F1-plant: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/...2008/Small Wild from Mexico x Naga Morich F1/
F2-plant #1: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb157/donnie_1978/capsicum_2009/Nagaquin F2 No 1/
F2-plant #2: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb157/donnie_1978/capsicum_2009/Nagaquin F2 No 2/
F2-plant #3: http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb157/donnie_1978/capsicum_2009/Nagaquin F2 No 3/

The F2 #3 was quite interesting having a lot of "pubescens", very high heat level and some chinense-flavour, so i crossed it once again by pollinating it with a purple/black chinense variety.

Have a look at a similar project "Antipodes" made by a German chilihead here:
F1-plant: http://www.capsamania.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7802&highlight=antipodes
F2-plants: http://www.capsamania.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10032&highlight=


Hope this serves as a bit of help and brings up ideas...
 
I've always heard that red color, large size, and low heat levels were usually dominant especially when crossing hotties with bell peppers. I crossed a bell and a Trinidad scorpion once but none of the seeds germinated:(
 
My experience when crossing bells with chinense is that the result is a small pepper. The small size must be dominant. To do this you would probably have to grow tons and tons of f2s and hope you are lucky or do a back cross with the bell parent and the f1s.


My advise is make sure you use the bell as the mother plant and the bhut or trinidad as the father/pollen plant. This will make things much easier. Annuums will ripen much quicker so you will get the seeds faster. It is a little hard to tell for sure whether the cross worked with the chinense one being the mother. Chinense leaves tend to be dominant. Also the nagas/bhut/trinidad varieties do not have a uniform shape pod even on the same plant. So it is very hard to tell on the f1s if differences in shape are from the cross or not.
 
Having too many crosses to work on I had actually laid my "Nagaquin" project to rest, but decided to continue the project this year after all. I am hoping this could inspire others to set up their own crossing projects, trying to improve already excisting varieties... My plan is to stabilize two different strains/versions from this cross, which should both serve as improvements over the two original peppers;
Type A: a pequin-type which is early like its parent Pequin de Ischia, but with more heat and some of that chinense-aroma.
Type B: an earlier version of Naga Morich, which is more suitable for growing in a cold summer in Denmark, a bit colder than Maine-climate, I believe...

Here are 6 F2-plants of Pequin de Ischia x Naga Morich

Nagaquin F2 a
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Nagaquin F2 b
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Nagaquin F2 c
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and the three last ones...

Nagaquin F2 d
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Nagaquin F2 e
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Nagaquin F2 f
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