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breeding Cross Pollination ?

Justaguy

Justaguy

I have a crowded garden

http://www.thehotpepper.com/topic/17310-garden-setup/page__p__368803__fromsearch__1#entry368803

and my Jimmy Nardello sweet peppers have pods with an strong heat (not super hot hot, but hot). I have noticed a difference in look. The cut is where we tried it, so I laid it to represent about the original size.

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The cut one is the hot one. Notice the shoulder is smaller then the regular Nard. What I am wondering is would this be from pollination this year or last year that came thru the seeds?
I have pulled a spicy and a regular one off the same plant so I guess that answers my question about it being from this year, but can this sneak thru in the seeds of my good ones that have no spice to next year?

Also, this year because of when these that are spicy flowered I am thinking they Xed with my Caribbean Red Habaneros that are 15-20 feet across the yard.

They have the underlying sweet pepper taste. I am NOT going to grow these out next year so if anyone would like some seeds from these spicy pods I will gladly send some for you to grow out if you send a SASE.
 
Sounds like cross polination to me! I have found that it doesnt really matter how far apart in the garden they are its still possible.. not through wind, but through the bugs (for me its usually bees) that go into each flower and take the pollen.. transporting some on their bodies to other plants.

xo
 
Cross pollination only affects subsequent generations. The pods will grow exactly the same. You will however see new traits expressed if you grow out saved seeds from crossed pods.
 
Justaguy said:
So these are from last year then. Odd that 2 peppers on the same plant were different.
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To be honest I am no expert. Pod variation does occur on the same plant. There are all types of variables that cause this. Hopefully someone else can chime in and help you out.
 
The Jimmy Nardello's never had small shoulders like that before. I am kind of curious how they will stabilize with that heat, but I don't have the room to grow them out next year. You are welcome to some regular Nard seeds or some of the spicy ones if you want.
 
As others have said, crossing two varieties will cause the seed to grow into the resulting cross. If it worked in the way you suggested, where you would see results in the first year plant, then if a female tiger and a male lion were to mate, the female's womb would turn into the womb of a Liger! (a cross between a tiger and a lion). Since the pepper itself is like the womb of the female plant, it's not going to turn into the resulting cross, neither will the plant itself. Imagine if your mother turned into a mix of herself and your father after she conceived you!

Also, those peppers do not appear to be crossed with a Caribbean Red which has round pods and in peppers, round is a dominant trait over elongated pods. Also, a Caribbean Red is a C. Chinense, which has multiple flowers per node, a dominant trait over single flowers per node. So if your peppers were indeed a cross with a Caribbean Red, then the pods would be shorter and more than one flower would be present at each node.
 
RichardK said:
As others have said, crossing two varieties will cause the seed to grow into the resulting cross. If it worked in the way you suggested, where you would see results in the first year plant, then if a female tiger and a male lion were to mate, the female's womb would turn into the womb of a Liger! (a cross between a tiger and a lion). Since the pepper itself is like the womb of the female plant, it's not going to turn into the resulting cross, neither will the plant itself. Imagine if your mother turned into a mix of herself and your father after she conceived you!

Also, those peppers do not appear to be crossed with a Caribbean Red which has round pods and in peppers, round is a dominant trait over elongated pods. Also, a Caribbean Red is a C. Chinense, which has multiple flowers per node, a dominant trait over single flowers per node. So if your peppers were indeed a cross with a Caribbean Red, then the pods would be shorter and more than one flower would be present at each node.
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Other then 3 varieties of Hab I also had Cayennes going last year. Those are the only other pepper.
 
To correct myself there spicy ones are on their own plant not both on one plant. Had branches crossing. Just check the snapped off places where they came from and realized they were next to each other but not same plant. Sorry for the confusion.

Brian
 
RichardK said:
As others have said, crossing two varieties will cause the seed to grow into the resulting cross. If it worked in the way you suggested, where you would see results in the first year plant, then if a female tiger and a male lion were to mate, the female's womb would turn into the womb of a Liger! (a cross between a tiger and a lion). Since the pepper itself is like the womb of the female plant, it's not going to turn into the resulting cross, neither will the plant itself. Imagine if your mother turned into a mix of herself and your father after she conceived you!

Also, those peppers do not appear to be crossed with a Caribbean Red which has round pods and in peppers, round is a dominant trait over elongated pods. Also, a Caribbean Red is a C. Chinense, which has multiple flowers per node, a dominant trait over single flowers per node. So if your peppers were indeed a cross with a Caribbean Red, then the pods would be shorter and more than one flower would be present at each node.
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I have read your reply and what you sy is in line with what I understand- very little- about cros pollination. Perhaps you can think of an answer to a problem I have had this ( my first) year growing peppers.

I have 10 plants in a small greenhouse 4 of which are sweet, the remainder being supposedly hot. The first two pods I picked from a "hot" plant were indeed hot but, to my surprise, all the remaing ones were sweet. So I now have ten plants all of which are producing sweet peppers. I suspect this has come about as a result of cross pollination but I have no explanation. Can you possibly suggest what has gone wrong ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can offer.

Myles
 
treemanjohn said:
One of your pods turned into a pack of Cornuts. That's bad ass!
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Thanks for your penetrating analysis. You must make a lot of sense for anyone who knows what the hell you're talking about.

Btw I would not dream of putting a pepper anywhere near my ass.
 
OK I have another weird one. First off if anyone wants Jimmy Nardello X Cayenne seeds let me now via PM.

So I know last year I had a lot of cross pollination and I am sure this year too. Next year I am using all new/pure seeds for everything. Here is one maybe some of you can help me with. I have a plant with some odd things going on.

First off the leaves from the mystery plant look Hab-ish to me
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Here is one of my true Hab plant leaves
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Here is the Jimmy Nardello(Nard) leaves
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Now it has leaves like a Hab but the pod looks somewhat like a Nard without the wrinkles under the shoulder.
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And for comparison here is a young Nard
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I can't wait to see what it turns to and tastes like. I swore this was a habanero until these started forming.
 
myles said:
I have read your reply and what you sy is in line with what I understand- very little- about cros pollination. Perhaps you can think of an answer to a problem I have had this ( my first) year growing peppers.

I have 10 plants in a small greenhouse 4 of which are sweet, the remainder being supposedly hot. The first two pods I picked from a "hot" plant were indeed hot but, to my surprise, all the remaing ones were sweet. So I now have ten plants all of which are producing sweet peppers. I suspect this has come about as a result of cross pollination but I have no explanation. Can you possibly suggest what has gone wrong ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can offer.

Myles
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Myles,

Cross pollination does not effect the peppers currently growing. It effects the seeds that are forming in the peppers. If there is a cross you will see it when you plant the seeds from the current plants. Hope that helps explain things.

Now as far as all of the pods being sweet on the hot pepper plant are you sure the seeds you planted are true? Does the plant and pods look like they're supposed to? Are you allowing the peppers to ripen completely?
 
patrick said:
Myles,

Cross pollination does not effect the peppers currently growing. It effects the seeds that are forming in the peppers. If there is a cross you will see it when you plant the seeds from the current plants. Hope that helps explain things.

Now as far as all of the pods being sweet on the hot pepper plant are you sure the seeds you planted are true? Does the plant and pods look like they're supposed to? Are you allowing the peppers to ripen completely?
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Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your reply. The sweet pepper seeds are F1 hybrids, the others being saved from shop-bought hot chillis. What I cannot understand is why the first two pods I picked from a "hot" plant were indeed hot whereas all the later ones were sweet. Could it be that cross pollination occured such that the seeds became sweet ?
 
myles said:
Thanks for your reply. The sweet pepper seeds are F1 hybrids, the others being saved from shop-bought hot chillis. What I cannot understand is why the first two pods I picked from a "hot" plant were indeed hot whereas all the later ones were sweet.
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Sometimes depending on the type of pepper they can get sweeter the riper they get on the plant. picking before fully ripe is when hot pepper tend to be their hottest.
 
myles said:
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your reply. The sweet pepper seeds are F1 hybrids, the others being saved from shop-bought hot chillis. What I cannot understand is why the first two pods I picked from a "hot" plant were indeed hot whereas all the later ones were sweet. Could it be that cross pollination occured such that the seeds became sweet ?
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If you're asking if the seeds in the currently growing pepper are cross pollinated yet it's possible. If you're asking if they can change a currently growing pepper from hot to sweet no, it isn't possible. Seeds are not responsible for heat, sweetness or flavor.
 
I would try to stress the hots with no water til the leaves willllttt. See if that gets them back in line.

Thee of little knowledge has spoken
 
patrick said:
If you're asking if the seeds in the currently growing pepper are cross pollinated yet it's possible. If you're asking if they can change a currently growing pepper from hot to sweet no, it isn't possible. Seeds are not responsible for heat, sweetness or flavor.
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Thanks for the info.From what I have gleaned elsewhere it seems I have been overwatering the plants. I shall try stressing them as suggested elsewhere.
Regards,
Myles
 
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