Douglah...What is the Deal?

[POTAWIE]

you're trying to keep the name of the 7-Pot "pure", but the problem is the term "7-Pot" is not referring to a single variety, but many different Chinenses with similar qualities."

I believe there is/was a distinct variety and purity/stability issues are probably a relatively new problems in Trinidad" Where are you getting your info?

I think it's only fair to refer to them as 7-Pot (like they do in Trinidad) or we should just rename all different 7-Pot and reclassified them as many different chiles with different names. most "market" chiles from Trinidad are not pure and/or stable, so trying to make people aware to the "real" 7-Pot, is absurd.

Although I often label them as I recieve them, I see it differently. Although its never easy, I think as chile pros we should do our best to keep things real.
Even Trinihottie has admitted that she doesn't always have proper names, and often names peppers as she sees fit. Love you Trinibut unfortunately this is where the confusion begins and then quickly explodes. I think keeping original strains is important, especially now that some of these species are becoming so threatened, but I know most people just want what's hottest or most hyped and that's understandable, just not me

 

[Omri]

I believe there is/was a distinct variety and purity/stability issues are probably a relatively new problems in Trinidad" Where are you getting your info?

People I talked to in Trinidad.
It's easy to think the 7-Pot and other superhots were an accident, but they were made by local farmers over the years. the problem is those farmers grew and grow many different chiles in the same area so they kept crossing all the time. not only that many different veriaties exist, but also you can find many different chiles that would be classified as different strains if not to the fact they came from the same plant. there are major qualities that remain costant and that's what makes the 7-Pot a 7-Pot... if you see a brown chiles with similar qualities, would it be wrong to refer to it as a brown 7-Pot?

 

[POTAWIE]

I'm sure there are some smart Trini farmer's isolating for purity, I've actually chatted with one. Likely not everything is always unstable there as suggested, although it is a problem. Most chilehead I've talked to from Trinidad didn't even know about the 7 pot/pod or Scorpion until I mentioned it 6 or so years ago when I first tried to locate seeds. Those that did know about them didn't have brown or yellow types, just the same general red version we know. I have 5 or more different seed sources from over these years, and so far all are very similar and all are red.
I just see the same misnomers that now exist with the habaneros, Scotch bonnets, and Congos, being passed on to other varieties like the 7s

 

[Pepper Ridge Farm]

Maybe you two experts can post a pics of your multiple 7 pod strains for comparison. I have a thread devoted to the the 7 Pod with no pics of either of your 7 pots. I was let down with the heat of the yellow 7 and even though it looks more brainy than the douglah, the brown has the reds searing heat. Heat should be the trait that is most desired in the 7 pod. I got the seed labeled from our friend in Trinidad Brown 7 Pod "Douglah" so I will use both names interchangeably. Yes Potawie the Douglah has the distinct flavor of other chocolate varieties, and all 7 Pod are chinenses not all Brown 7 Pod are Douglah.

 

[POTAWIE]

Maybe you two experts can post a pics of your multiple 7 pod strains for comparison. I have a thread devoted to the the 7 Pod with no pics of either of your 7 pots.

I've posted pics of yellow's, Morougas, and red 7's just not in your particular thread. I've also avoided the brown 7's since they just seemed like all hype from the beginning.

I was let down with the heat of the yellow 7 and even though it looks more brainy than the douglah, the brown has the reds searing heat.

Exactly my point. I agree the heat is not as crazy with the yellows, but I prefer the flavor personally. Its a totally different pepper than the 7 pot/pod, and people should be aware that its not just a different color, its a different variety.

Heat should be the trait that is most desired in the 7 pod.

That's an opinion I disagree with. I think heat, flavor, burn, pod shape and many other factors are important in distinguishing any true varieties. Look at the many hab-not habaneros that have good heat, but the flavor and pod shape are far from habaneros.
Do you think the yellow 7 should be classified as a 7 pot/pod, or just the brown since its hotter? SHould Trinidad scorpions be called 7 pot/pods just because they are extremely hot?

I got the seed labeled from our friend in Trinidad Brown 7 Pod "Douglah" so I will use both names interchangeably. Yes Potawie the Douglah has the distinct flavor of other chocolate varieties, and all 7 Pod are chinenses not all Brown 7 Pod are Douglah.

Thats the way I'd likely label them too while knowing and accepting that they really are a cross of two varieties. I agree the brown 7s are hot like a 7 pot and the flavor is like a typical chocolate, and that is why they deserve their own name instead of just being another 7 pot/pod

 

[Pepper Ridge Farm]

Very diplomatic of you Potawie, and I tend to agree on all your points. Both the yellow 7 and yellow scorpion look very much the shape, but fail in heat. Should they be classified as, I'm no expert and cannot answer that question. The question I have is that we have two distinct shaped douglah which don't look a like, now what? I was calling the one I got direct from Sara the Brown 7 Pod, and the other the Douglah. If I should use Douglah which I agree, do we need strain names again? All brown 7 pods are douglah now.

 

[POTAWIE]

It'll be interesting to see if your other Douglah breeds true. The three Douglah sources I have all grow pretty much the same but I think they all originated from Trinnihottie and all were received labelled as Douglah.

 

[PeteyPepper]

Interesting responses...

Here is what I gather so far -

- Doughlah is its own distinct variety - apart from 7Pot/Pod

- 7Pot is nomenclature used for several Trinidad peppers that are characterized as 7 pot

- Red is hotter than yellow

- Doughlah is a brown 7pot


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So, I guess the debate will continue. Although, I somehow think that Omri and Potawie are saying the same thing.



It is 24 degrees F outside here today and...I'm planting DOUGHLAH seeds sourced from Trinidad~!

 

[Sci]

i herd the Douglah is more closer to a choc hab nearly everyone i've asked have told me that they are more closer to a choc hab then it is to a 7Pot/Pod

 

[POTAWIE]

I really don't think the douglah was a cross made from a hab, more likely a brown congo pepper
Maybe closer in taste because most all brown pods have a brown C. chinense flavor

 

[Mjdtexan]

Wow, this is an interesting thread. It served to let me konw that I dont know jack shti about pepper strains yet. If I am "hearing" yall right, yellows of most anything are not as hot as reds? In general or all the time?

I have Chocolate 7 Pot seedlings (sproutlings?) going now as well as reg 7 Pots. It will be interesting to compare them as they grow up.

 

[Mister_Al]

I grew both the Douglah and Brown 7 Pod this year and they are two different peppers. I read where there is likely going to be many different strains because it is not commercially grown in Trinidad. I experienced better pod production with the Brown 7 Pod yet the Douglah pods were definitely bigger. I also very much liked the Brown 7 Pod leaf shape, bark was very woody, and medium size of plant. True peppers from both plants exhibit the white creamy placental tissue, and the great smokey taste of brown colored pods. I saved seed of my favorite "Douglah" pods and will be growing them as my main crop next year, maybe isolate my own strain again. Can you tell it's my new favorite pepper.

Which pod shape came from the Brown 7-Pot plant and which one came from the Douglah?


Alan

 

[pappywith4]

PPR I would like to have some of your douglah seeds to start a plant and taste the difference between your pepper and mine if you can spare a few!!