darkfool58 said:
Bhut and Bih are the same pepper just different names.
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POTAWIE said:
Scientists must be skeptics, until things are proven by scientifical method.
couldn't the same then be said for any record relating to biggest dog, tallest person, fattest cat, heaviest pumpkin etc - that they are all occuring naturally so they don't deserve a record just for putting their hand up?
with heat there are a lot of variables, maybe he was able to tease out more heat than previous growers were able to. maybe there was some genetic instability in that variety and that is why it took five years of commitment. Dr Bosland is a very well respected chile expert so I doubt he just planted the seeds and stood by doing nothing - that is the main reason why I bought my BJ seed from NMSU and will do so every time I need new seed.
has anyone seen a copy of a Guinness certificate for the Dorset Naga? I hear claims of 1.5mil SHU's so surely the 'owners/growers/finders/originators' of that variety have the current record??? I'd like to see the proof.
and I agree with you Habman - Guinness is a great drop!
with heat there are a lot of variables, maybe he was able to tease out more heat than previous growers were able to. maybe there was some genetic instability in that variety and that is why it took five years of commitment. Dr Bosland is a very well respected chile expert so I doubt he just planted the seeds and stood by doing nothing - that is the main reason why I bought my BJ seed from NMSU and will do so every time I need new seed.
has anyone seen a copy of a Guinness certificate for the Dorset Naga? I hear claims of 1.5mil SHU's so surely the 'owners/growers/finders/originators' of that variety have the current record??? I'd like to see the proof.
and I agree with you Habman - Guinness is a great drop!
My impression, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, is that part of that five years was in tracking down the pepper, not just in growing it. And I believe the point of having a well respected chile expert grow it was less about bragging rights and more about consistency. He grew the red savina. the orange hab, and the Bhut Jolokia together so that no one could claim the reason for the extreme heat was cultivation practices and not the inherent characteristics of the pepper.
The way I see it, Bosland didn't breed the peppers he took what had been tested in India as the hottest in the world and stabilized, not hybridized it and testing only proves that they(indian scientists) were right in the first place. The skeptic proved himself wrong and then takes home the trophy.
Well you know the U.S.A., its our way or the highway. But from what I have heard, this pepper has been selling, at least in powder form, in the UK before it made it's way to the states.
POTAWIE said:
The pepper was certified, not the grower. He doesn't have any rights to the pepper like the red savina guy, does he? When Cross Country sold me a Bhut Jolokia plant, they didn't have to pay any royalties to him, and I could save seed and sell my own if I wanted. So, how is he taking home any trophies?
I think you're putting too much emphasis on the Guinness certification. It's not like they were going to go to India and test the durn peppers themselves, they just put a pop culture label on something Bosland did scientifically.
He's an agricultural researcher, this is the kind of thing he does for a living. He was skeptical, so he tested the pepper, and published his results. He stood up and said "Wow, was I wrong." This kind of research goes on in agriculture all the time. Farmers need the facts before they invest heavily in a product, they have too much to lose to invest in rumors and hearsay.
Pepper Belly said:
Hey, we're not all George Bush! Some of us didn't even vote for him!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what y'all are saying, but I don't think the US or Dr. Bosland were trying to claim or brand Bhut Jolokias. Chile peppers are a major crop in Mew Mexico, and he does research on them, so he tested Bhuts against Red Savinas and Orange habs in controled field conditions. That's all.
Ok, so the Guinness thing might have been a bit of weenie wagging, but I've been hearing grumbling in the pepper community for years and years about the Red Savina claim of being the world's hottest. So he did a little victory dance at the Red Savina guy's expense, so what? It doesn't make the pepper his or brand it an American pepper.
habman said:What do you mean a joke?
GUINNESS is the best beer in the world
Bwhaahahahahahahaa!
Pam said:
Take a chill pill, Pam
I'm American and I did vote for W. I even listen to Rush Limbaugh, I just live in Germany. I also respect Dr. Bosland and his findings, though I think Potawie is questioning whether or not the findings are correct and he is also questioning why we didnt take the original Indian findings at their word. In other words if I understand Patawie correctly, he thinks Dr. Bosland is falsely being credited with a finding that which was already established before by the Indians. K?the certificate doesn't mention that Dr Bosland discovered or developed the Bhut Jolokia pepper, it doesn't even mention his name. it simply certifies that the Bhut Jolokia is believed to be the hottest of all spices, ... measured at ... the New Mexico State University.
any inferences relating to him discovering or finding or engineering this pepper are outside the scope of the GBoR certification and are the interpretations of those individuals who have chosen to add their own impressions of what has occurred - go back to page one of this thread and re-read the document yourself!
don't try the Guinness website - it's a complete waste of time.
any inferences relating to him discovering or finding or engineering this pepper are outside the scope of the GBoR certification and are the interpretations of those individuals who have chosen to add their own impressions of what has occurred - go back to page one of this thread and re-read the document yourself!
don't try the Guinness website - it's a complete waste of time.
Try this:
"The Guinness Book of Records agreed, confirming recently that Bosland, a regents professor at New Mexico State University, had discovered the world's hottest chili pepper, Bhut Jolokia, a naturally occurring hybrid native to the Assam region of northeastern India"
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/57132.html
"The Guinness Book of Records agreed, confirming recently that Bosland, a regents professor at New Mexico State University, had discovered the world's hottest chili pepper, Bhut Jolokia, a naturally occurring hybrid native to the Assam region of northeastern India"
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/57132.html
according to who? the freenewmexican - is that a community newspaper?
the article also says that New Mexico State University is the official entry as the location where the chile's heat index was measured. Bosland was responsible for locating the chile pepper, testing it, engineering it so it sets fruit better, and ultimately submitting his findings to Guinness for review. I wonder why he didn't call it the Bosland Jolokia?
if he did all those extra things then maybe he was able to influence the heat output. maybe I am wrong and he did nothing. I don't know. I don't believe everything I read on the internet though. you can start a rumour today and within a month it is part of folklore.
the article also says that New Mexico State University is the official entry as the location where the chile's heat index was measured. Bosland was responsible for locating the chile pepper, testing it, engineering it so it sets fruit better, and ultimately submitting his findings to Guinness for review. I wonder why he didn't call it the Bosland Jolokia?
if he did all those extra things then maybe he was able to influence the heat output. maybe I am wrong and he did nothing. I don't know. I don't believe everything I read on the internet though. you can start a rumour today and within a month it is part of folklore.
I can probably list dozens or hundreds of other articles that say he discovered it too.