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This is late in coming, and I don't have pictures for everything... So bear with me.

Iive in zone 9b, and we had quite a mild winter, so I started germinating seeds indoors in october. I have a desk with a hutch and a built in Flourescent light... I also have a surround sound system with rather tall speakers that leave about 5 inches between the light in the hutch and my jiffy green house. I started 10 Orange Habs, 10 Long Thin Cayenne, 10 Thai Sun, and 10 Big Early Jalapenos, the seed was not isolated and was collected off my plants from last year. The cayenne was a sad plant, and only produced 3 or 4 pods all summer... The Habanero beside it produced enough to make gallons of puree'd Habs that I love to eat by the spoon full. The Jalapeno likewise produced pound upon pound of pods. I selected the biggest pods from each and saved the seed.

All 40 seeds came up, and this being the first year I've grown peppers out from seed, I was unprepared with something to transplant them into. I called up a few friends and had them save 2 ltr bottles, milk jugs, orange juice containers (plastic and sealed cardboard) and any other container in that size that they would be willing to spare. I also went to biglots and bought a ton of styrofoam cups at 51 cups for 1$. By the time they were ready for transplant I had aquired about 100 assorted bottles in the 2ltr and half gallon to 1 gallon range. So I ordered more seeds from amazon (yeah yeah I know... I ordered from Hinterlands, and it remains to be seen if they grow true or not), PepperJoe, regal seeds (free from posting links on facebook) and picked up some burpee bell peppers. My mother came over to visit one day, and I was re-potting my seedlings... Up till this point I had been using a map to know which seedling was which. Mom offered to help, and within just a few minutes I no longer knew which was which... All I know for sure, is that they are either Jalapenos, Cayenne, or Habaneros.

Feeling pretty confident, I picked up a couple of 72 cell jiffy green houses, and loaded them up with seeds. I had fantastic luck with the Trinidad Scorpions, and Bhut Jolokias (red) but terrible luck with the Chocolate Habs, 7pot, and a few others. I contacted the vendor, and was promptly re-shipped a new batch of seed with a BUNCH of bonus seed. That was about the time I discovered Garden Web, and began trading seeds. This too brought up my variety count.

Currently I have 48/50 varieties germinated at about an 70% success rate (including the bad seed from the one vendor, which for giggles is still in the jiffy green house on the speaker under the flourescent tube). Currently I have 141 plants in the ground, and another 50 or 60 in re-used foam cups.

Then I discovered Amishland seeds (or something like that, I forget the name) but they have an Oh My Aching Back pepper mix for 2.50$, could have as many as 20 amish varieties all with cool stories behind them... That sounded reasonable, so I ordered the 50 seed pack and recieved almost 150 seeds. Those are currently germinating on top of a speaker beneath the flourescent light.

About that time I discovered I had an advantage when it came to hybridization... Living here in sunny florida, I can get two, and possibly even three seasons in each year (it froze 3 nights in total last winter)... Which meant a long multi-year process would take much less time... So I started doing research into hybridization. I decided to cross my Habanero with my Thai Sun hoping for a couple of specific traits to pop up. These seeds are currently germinating along with some of the others. I then learned of making graft hybrids. My first attempt (of four thus far) was to graft a Trinidad Scorpion (scion) onto my orange Hab (host). Following the protocals of the mentor graft method (but lacking grafting tape) I used packaging tape turned inside out (so the sticky parts only touched the tape, not the plants). I did not yet know the full difficulty that one has when grafting pepper plants. This first graft failed. The second graft failed. But my third graft (approach grafted a scotch Bonnet onto an orange Hab - used these because I have the most of them, and if they failed, I had lots of seed/seedlings to replace them with) seemed to be successfull. the scion had begun growing a new leaf, and the host had put out blooms (which I snipped). However I left the project too low to the ground (apparently) and my neighbors Dog mangled it badly... It might or might not survive, however after discovering this, I approach grafted a Scotch Bonnet onto an unknown Annum - likely a Cayenne. The second graft is doing well - but it remains to be seen if it will take. It has only been two days thus far.

I had two Chile de Arbols come up today, which is faster than any of the amish (or my hybrid) seeds germinated. I started this last batch in a combination of peat pellets, and the starter trays that require soil on the 25th of Feb. I currently have expanded my varieties to nearly 100, and am expecting to plant about 400 before I finish.

I live in an area that is extremely high in lime. IE you can't dig without pulling up huge lime rocks, or hitting even larger lime stone beds. With that in mind I needed to work to bring my PH down. I picked up a bale of peat moss (low ph), coffee grounds (un used), hard wood ash (burned oak to get this), Black Cow, Egg Shells, and my sister found a 3cu bale of perlite in the garage of the house she purchased... She had no use for it, so I put a good bit of this in as well (after tilling the rest Together, I ran the hoe the length of where I would be planting, and placed a little of the stuff across the bottom of the hoe'd row, then pushed the dirt back over.... for each 10x20 garden, I mixed in 1 cu ft of Peat, 12 40lb bags of composted black cow, about 1/8th inch covering of oak tree ashes, 1lb of coffee (sprinkled everywhere), and of course the perlite rows. My PH meter says that the soil is now 6.8, and I am hoping it holds. I suspect the egg shells aren't needed in light of all the lime in the soil... But I save and use them any way.

I did have one frost AFTER I had planted about 65 plants... I really didn't have anything to protect them with, so I cut down a few pieces of Bamboo and made a bivouac with a sheet of painters drop cloth (the edges held down by rocks). It worked out pretty well, except the wind blew a section of the middle back and exposted 3 plants to the elements. all but one look like they will make it. Here is the bivouac:
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. Finally I noticed that I have pods on one of the plants that I started back in October. It is nearly twice as big as anything around it. I think it could be a hybrid because of its speed of growth, however, I'm told that cayennes are just a particularly quick growing variety. I took the rest of these pictures on my iPhone, so please excuse the depth of field... Any way, here is my first Pod - I saw it on the 25th of Feb.
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See the size difference between this plant, and the plants around it?

The pod is probably 10x larger now, nearly the diameter of my pinky. and around 4 inches long.

*UPDATE 3/8 updated grow list*

Grow LIst:

C. Chinense
Aji Limo Rojo
Paper Lantern
Billy Goat (habanero type)
Bahamanian Goat
Dominican Red Habanero
Peruvian White Habanero
PI 260595 (Chinense)
Mayan Red
Habanero de Arbol
7pot BrainStrain
7pot White
7pot Red
NMSU Bhut Jalokia
Yellow Fatalii
7pot Primo
Yellow Bhut Jolokia
Orange Hab
Tazmanian Hab
Datil
White Hab
Bhut Jolokia / Naga Morrich
Trinidad Scorpion Butch T
Trinidad Scorpion
Jamaican Chocolate Hab
Red Savina
Scotch Bonnet
7pot Douglah
T.S. Moruga Blend (brain strain?)
Trinidad Perfume
Chocolate Bhut Jolokia
Dorset Naga
Hinkelhatz (red)
Hot Lemon Hab
Red Congo Trinidad
Red Savina

C.Annum
sonoran Chiltepin (hand picked in Mexico)
Habanero de arbol
japones
Hawaiian sweet hot (possibly Wailua)
Pulla Pepper (bolivia or Brazil)
Sunset (F1 hybrid)
Cascabel Chili (rattle, mirasol, bola, Ball. From Mexico)
Thai Super Hot (hybrid F1)
Florida Wild Bird
Numex Lumbre - 1-5k scu
Giant Sweet (bell?)
Numex Big Jim Legacy
Sandia A -Anaheim Type
Santa fe grande - usa
Ciliegia Piccante (Baccio di Satana aka Satans Kiss) - Italy
Chilhuacle Rojo (Chilguacle) Pablano type - Mexico
Black Scorpion Tounge
Peter
Wild Texas (Tomato? from the swap)
Fresno
Serrano
Cosa Arrugada
Big Dipper (bell)
Big early Jalapenos,
Long Red Thin Cayenne
Thai Sun
Chimaya
Pretty in Purple
Black Pearl
Purple Glow in the Dark (possibly the same as black pearl)
Yatzy aka Yatsufusa
Chili de Arbol
Anaheim
Cubanelle
Firecracker Piquin
Peppermania's Big Ass Cayenne AKA Pepper Joe’s Cayenne
Golden Cayenne
Orange Cayenne
Mulato Isleno
Punjabi (Cayenne type I think)
Hot Banana Pepper
Sweet Banana Pepper
Big Bertha
Super Heavy Weight
Bangalore Whippets Tail
Las Cruces
Filius Blue
WM Brand Chili Peppers
WM Brand Mammoth Jalapeno
Pimiento Pepper
Chiltepin
Hot Cow Horn
Pablano
var. glabriusculum
Texas Chiltepin

C. Fructescense
Tabasco
Kung Pao
Pimiento de Padron
Thai Long
Wild Grove
Guam Boonie (guam)
zimbabwe Birds Eye Chili

C. Baccatum
Aji Yellow (Peruvian)
Bolivian Wild (TALL)
Inca Red Drop (peru)
Aji Lemon Drop (aka Kellu Uchu - Long Season. Origin: Peru)
Birgits Locoto (Bolivia)

C. Galapagoense

C. Chacoense
Unknown Cultivar

C. praetermissum
Cumari Pollux


Confirmed Hybrids
Thai Sun x Orange Habanero F1
Orange Hab x Scotch Bonnet F1
7pot Douglah x Butch T Scorpion F2
Thai Super Hot F1 (parents unknown - seed swap)
Sunset F1 hybrid (Parents unknown - Seed swap)

**After the 3/8 update I now have 108 varieties**

The list is bound to grow! I have a number of varieties on their way that are not yet listed (but I will update the post as they arrive).

Also non-pepper plants I have green beans, canteloup, coriander, watermellon, summer squash, kale, lettuce, eggplant, and tomatos.

Edit: Changed tags, updated growlist 3-8
 
Alright folks, the long over due pictures of my new beginning...

Using the bottom part of a fountain drink cup... Here are the ones I planted back on the 8th.
Orange Manzano
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7pot SR
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Primo
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Douglah
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Barrackapore
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Douglah wins the race! Manzano isn't very far behind though.
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Got these from in a trade from Hendrix1326, they have been seeded (and those are drying), and are going to be hot sauce!
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Hope everyone is having a great sunday!

EDIT: I notice no one besides me can actually read my chicken scratch... So I'm going to title the images.

Also sorry about the iphone pictures...
 
I was pretty stoked about the trade, I really only have room for one plant... so ALL of those varieties are in the same cup... crazy? maybe.

but I want to graft them all together...

hah I once had a professor that said "i lived in nigeria for 20 years working with people who'd never written in english before, trying to teach them to read and write in english, and their crappy nonsense letters looked better than yours".

i just chuckle... I was born leftie, but forced to become a righty, and well, this is the result. at least I can read it *chuckle*
 
Orange Manzano :) (From Buddy)
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TS Butch T - Louisiana Strain (From Butch T)
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The three in the middle are Vlad's Impact F1's, the Bhut x C. Galapagoense chili. The Jonahs will come up along the edge when they are ready.
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Middles are still Impact, the edge is where Barrackapore will come up.
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3 little Douglahs coming up here :) Never had a douglah before... but looking forward to it.
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Primo's will come up here :)
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7pod sr will come up here
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Bottom is O. Manzano, middle are impact, top are Douglah
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You can't see it well, but there is a little tiny SR coming up as well... maybe tomorrow or the next day it should hook! :)
 

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yeahhhhh, its way too many for that cup... but I have a few containers to transfer them into... Someone was getting ready to toss some in the dumpster... so I grabbed them :)

The idea is to graft them all together. hopefully. without killing everything in there lol
 
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Nothing super exciting here, just working on updating the inventory with new seeds... The highlight of that was that I hit 500 varieties of seeds!

Obviously not JUST pepper seeds... But mostly :)

Total seeds (not types, but actual seeds) = 11918
 
Good luck with your new starts! I am going to wait a bit on mine....may start some manzanos in November??? We'll see.
 
It is wayyyyyyy early... But I'm thinking the amount they are slowed by the grafting, and related recovery time will offset my early start date :). IF not, I'll put them in buckets on my parents porch in Florida this winter lol.

Thanks for stopping by shane!

How did the missus react to having a dedicated pepper freezer? lol
 
jsschrstrcks

I went trough whole your glog and if I understood very well you grafted it in a way to: stick older plant with young one and after while they merge together, correct?
If the answer is Yes, please tell me also this:

1. How long does it take to merge and when is the best time to do it?
2. Do you cut a little bit of skin of old plant and the stick both together to merrge?
3. I have seen that you grafted like a fruit or you also tryed it?
 
jsschrstrcks

I went trough whole your glog and if I understood very well you grafted it in a way to: stick older plant with young one and after while they merge together, correct?
If the answer is Yes, please tell me also this:

1. How long does it take to merge and when is the best time to do it?
2. Do you cut a little bit of skin of old plant and the stick both together to merrge?
3. I have seen that you grafted like a fruit or you also tryed it?
Firstly, thanks for coming by and reading my grow log :).

Sort of, I cut three sides of a square (on the older plant, which left the flap still attached on one side, in my case the west side), scraped the stalk of the young scion, all the way around so that the insides would be exposed, and then placed the scion inside the flap on the host. I did leave the roots attached for a time, but that was to ensure the scions survival until the host could sustain it.

If you are attempting a mentor graft, then the host needs to be between 1 and 3 months, and not yet lignified where you intend to make the graft, the scion needs to be younger than two weeks if I remember right. For the purpose of making a chimera (one plant, multiple varieties), one need not be as concerned with the age, only ensuring that you do the graft where lignification has not yet occurred.

I tried several different types of grafting before I was successful. All of my initial attempts resulted in the death of the scion. I used the same host for all of the experiments. It is one of my most vigorous growing plants (though not so vigorous in fruiting).

I think the important thing is that you find a way that works well for you. It is an awkward process that would be simpler with a third hand.

OK, now for an update regarding my seedlings...

As you can see my Impact Chili is a little hairy! this makes me hopeful that it is an actual cross (there is some whisperings that its not a cross). I'm still hoping its not just a hairy Bhut.
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Also as you can see the sprouts are doing well now! coming up like crazy... Going to have to seperate them before long, moving one of each type towards the center in preparation for the grafting.
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going to wait until they are a week old, and hopefully, one of each type has come up before attempting the graft... but I will make the attempt even if All are not yet up. At this age, their defenses against genetic contamination from the grafting won't be fully developed... Hopefully this means that MORE genetic material will cross freely back and forth... but we shall see.

Ken
 
15 are up now, or in the process of... everything but Butch T Louisiana strain, and Primo. The Primo seeds are old I think, and I only had 2. The Butch T seeds were just planted late... so we shall see...

This is going to be a complicated graft...

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Re-potting tomorrow or Sunday (if the Primo's come up), to move the seedlings into closer proximity for the graft...

*update* I did some digging, and there are a few more sprouts coming up... looks like I'll have about 25 in total. The main thing I was looking for though were the Primos, it looks like there may have been some movement in the seeds after I planted them. There is a seed coming up closer to where the Impacts are than where I thought the Primos were... However there are no seeds where I planted the Primos... SO clearly there has been some traveling... Looks like 100% sproutage. Just need to keep them alive now, long enough to do the graft, and then put them back in the shadows for a bit.

Putting the sprouts in front of a fan today... I need them to be thicker when I do the graft... Leggy is ok, its easier to work with one whose taller, but too thin is also bad.
 
Hey, Ken, how's it goin'? Glad to see you starting up a new grow,
and another grafting experiment to watch! Way to go. I hope you
have nothing but success, brother. How's divinity school life treating
you? Hope all is well.

Have a good weekend, my friend!
 
Hey man! things are going well! Good roommates, great classes and professors (though I reserve the right to change my mind about them after midterms lol).

I'm pretty excited about the project as well, i've been up here for two months without growing anything. So this will be a welcome change.

Masters level work is a good bit more difficult - no doubt - than my undergraduate program... nothing I haven't been able to handle so far. LOTS of reading... 1900 pages this week alone. weekly quizzes, lots of writing... but its been good...

hope you have a good weekend as well Paul!

Alright, update time - firstly, I recieved some peppers in the mail from Kingdennis today! They arrived ripe, and tasty :D
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I recognize some of them! But I'm going to have to PM him on others haha.

The other happy surprise in my mailbox were seeds from ridavid!

Pretty happy about those. I'm going to start those tomorrow I think.
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Momma's not pleased at all...I'm only home on the weekend, so there is no way to keep up with the smoking/drying/grinding. Been getting through about 4 gallon bags a weekend, but adding a little more than that with the pulls. Going to attempt to dry with the electric smoker this weekend as well as the dehydrator and see if I can make a dent!!! Anything to save the plants. She is pretty dead set on ending the season right now...

:pray:<me her> :snooty:
 
JCR! You are obviously very busy since you haven't been here in a month!
If you see this, PM me your address, buddy.
 
yeah - midterms... Been swamped. Had a few days off for fall break, and that was busy too but I'm back! this week will be incredibly busy as well =( two more midterms next week, one on monday, and the other is online so - it just needs to be done by friday at midnight!

PM sent brother, and thank you thank you! :)

fresh pods will be awesome :)
 
Thanks brother, its much appreciated!

Here are my little sprouts! Lost a couple due to my absence (out of town for the last 9 days). But the rest are still doing well... Need to start the grafting, but, not until after mid terms (next week!).

Hope all is well!
 

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