Miracle Gro or Dyna Gro 7-9-5?

[Chilidude]

So jealous of your one part KISS formula... My brain gets wracked every time it's feeding time with the 3 part nute system.. I've grown errrm other things with simple fox farms duo grow big and tiger bloom and did well with organic amendments in the soil-really makes me rethink all this specialized different ratios when we have so many plants that are different and in different stages!

Regards,
-Tristan

 
I will never use any 3 part stuff if i have to choose, 2 part stuff is all you need for great chili harvest and it is much more easier create good NPK rations without pulling your hair out.

 

[YAMracer754]

 
I will never use any 3 part stuff if i have to choose, 2 part stuff is all you need for great chili harvest and it is much more easier create good NPK rations without pulling your hair out.

Yeah man but I'm stuck with the 3 part flora series and I'm broke but I've seen and heard people being able to do something with it.. Want some silica too..and then some final containers and garden organic with rock dust azomite kelp meal crab shell mycos and all the other fixings Mmm! A boy can dream!

Regards,
-Tristan

 

[Chilidude]

Yeah man but I'm stuck with the 3 part flora series and I'm broke but I've seen and heard people being able to do something with it.. Want some silica too..and then some final containers and garden organic with rock dust azomite kelp meal crab shell mycos and all the other fixings Mmm! A boy can dream!

Regards,
-Tristan

 
Flora series is kind of specialized stuff for the weed growers i guess..Now Ghe floramicro/floramato combo is a specialized chili/tomato feed stuff without adding anything else but perhaps rainwater to the mix and i can say it is a amazing stuff for sure if good taste/great chili harvest is your main focus.
 
That stuff can also be used for soil growing with 50% dosage, but it seems like the Ghe floramato is intended for Europe market only and it is really hard to get in America, really my only complain about the Ghe stuff is that they are pretty expensive stuff but hey it works great.

 

[gangaskan]

 
Flora series is kind of specialized stuff for the weed growers i guess..Now Ghe floramicro/floramato combo is a specialized chili/tomato feed stuff without adding anything else but perhaps rainwater to the mix and i can say it is a amazing stuff for sure if good taste/great chili harvest is your main focus.
 
That stuff can also be used for soil growing with 50% dosage, but it seems like the Ghe floramato is intended for Europe market only and it is really hard to get in America, really my only complain about the Ghe stuff is that they are pretty expensive stuff but hey it works great.

 
 
amazon has third party sellers selling floramato, not sure if they ship in the us, didnr get that far lol.  GH works fantastic for certain things, even more so for a aerogarden.  

 

[Bhuter]

I'll give another vote for the the 3-1-2 ratio Foliage-Pro. It has been years since I used it but it is simple and effective. The directions seemed like a chinese person trying to translate chinese to english if I remember correctly. They might have fixed that by now.

I have a question about Foliage Pro 9-3-6. From what I can find online, the directions read 1 tsp/gallon. Is that only for container plants or does that dilution work for in-ground plants, as well? I just don't want to buy it and find out that you have to use a lot more for a garden than advertised.

 

[scrufy]

I dont know man, Ive had greatbresults with flora. Ive used a few different brands though and I basically make up my own. I use more nitrogen to grow, then shift a little to bloom and fruit once the plant is big enough. I still get flowers and pods along the way but i can tell for sure when i change the mix. Flowers start like crazy.

 

[thefish]

I have a question about Foliage Pro 9-3-6. From what I can find online, the directions read 1 tsp/gallon. Is that only for container plants or does that dilution work for in-ground plants, as well? I just don't want to buy it and find out that you have to use a lot more for a garden than advertised.

 
If you're growing in the ground you might want to use the Grow formula. Soils can sequester phosphates. You can get great results between 1/2 tsp per gal and 1 tsp per gallon in my experience.

 

[Bhuter]

 
If you're growing in the ground you might want to use the Grow formula. Soils can sequester phosphates. You can get great results between 1/2 tsp per gal and 1 tsp per gallon in my experience.

I must have read this a while back because I "liked" it. But I don't remember. I ended up ordering the foliage pro and am gonna grow in ground. I hope that'll still be ok.

Sorry for the hijack.

 

[thefish]

I must have read this a while back because I "liked" it. But I don't remember. I ended up ordering the foliage pro and am gonna grow in ground. I hope that'll still be ok.

Sorry for the hijack.

 
foliage pro will most likely be fine unless your soil pH is really high. there are a few ways to mineralize phosphorus once it gets sequestered by soil: more acidic pH, microbes or by adding excess phosphorus to mitigate the rate of phosphorus sequestration. adding more phosphorus inhibits fungal growth and fungi trade plants mineralized phosphates in exchange for sugars so as long as your soil is healthy the foliage pro should be fine. adding a quality compost tea would increase nutrient mineralization and lower the pH of your soil over time. this is a good complementary hybrid approach that will yield great results and lower the amount of foliage pro you need to apply due to increases in nutrient uptake efficiency. 

 

[solid7]

The foliage pro is good.  Better than any 3-part series.  Keep it diluted at about 1/3 strength for that 9-3-6 formula.  The calcium in that product is the magic.  You'll be supplementing calcium with any multi-part weed nutrients.  Many of those products are cheap, and meant to turn a quick profit - but they do so at the expense of user friendliness.  It's very hard to keep calcium in solution with other nutrients, as they have a tendency to bind with one another.  The only products that I've seen on the market that have the proven know-how to deliver an effective 1-part solution, are DynaGrow FoliagePro and Botanicare CNS-17. (which a few around here know that I absolutely swear by)
 
As for sequestration of phosphorus...  That's not the most likely outcome, unless you have a fairly insoluble form of phosphorus.  Phosphorus and phosphates have more of a tendency to wash down into the sub-strata, and ground water. (depending on what type of soil you have)  Farmers will over-apply phosphorus, as its use in tilled soil is very inefficient, and soil Ph isn't always immediately in the target, so the phosphorus won't get used until that condition is met, anyway. There is a high rate of loss.  And tilling soil does that no favors.
 
Miracle-Gro will always require calcium supplementation, and Dyna-Gro 7-9-5 is a pretty wild ratio, but it will work fine, if you just cut it in half, and understand that the 9 and 5 are more than you'll ever need when supplying nutrients in a readily available state.  Next season, though, check out the CNS-17 Grow.

 

[solid7]

I have a question about Foliage Pro 9-3-6. From what I can find online, the directions read 1 tsp/gallon. Is that only for container plants or does that dilution work for in-ground plants, as well? I just don't want to buy it and find out that you have to use a lot more for a garden than advertised.

 
It's absolutely for container plants. 
 
My humble advice on that matter, though...  Cut the dose down to 1/3 strength, and apply it exactly twice as often, for container plants.  

I don't know what the actual dosage is.  Let's assume that it's 1 Tbsp/gal for in-ground plants, and then let's assume that it's applied once every 6 weeks.  By my previous advice, I'd dose it at 1 tsp (1/3 of a Tbsp) per gallon, and I'd water it in every 2 weeks.

 

[Bhuter]

foliage pro will most likely be fine unless your soil pH is really high. there are a few ways to mineralize phosphorus once it gets sequestered by soil: more acidic pH, microbes or by adding excess phosphorus to mitigate the rate of phosphorus sequestration. adding more phosphorus inhibits fungal growth and fungi trade plants mineralized phosphates in exchange for sugars so as long as your soil is healthy the foliage pro should be fine. adding a quality compost tea would increase nutrient mineralization and lower the pH of your soil over time. this is a good complementary hybrid approach that will yield great results and lower the amount of foliage pro you need to apply due to increases in nutrient uptake efficiency.

  

The foliage pro is good.  Better than any 3-part series.  Keep it diluted at about 1/3 strength for that 9-3-6 formula.  The calcium in that product is the magic.  You'll be supplementing calcium with any multi-part weed nutrients.  Many of those products are cheap, and meant to turn a quick profit - but they do so at the expense of user friendliness.  It's very hard to keep calcium in solution with other nutrients, as they have a tendency to bind with one another.  The only products that I've seen on the market that have the proven know-how to deliver an effective 1-part solution, are DynaGrow FoliagePro and Botanicare CNS-17. (which a few around here know that I absolutely swear by)
 
As for sequestration of phosphorus...  That's not the most likely outcome, unless you have a fairly insoluble form of phosphorus.  Phosphorus and phosphates have more of a tendency to wash down into the sub-strata, and ground water. (depending on what type of soil you have)  Farmers will over-apply phosphorus, as its use in tilled soil is very inefficient, and soil Ph isn't always immediately in the target, so the phosphorus won't get used until that condition is met, anyway. There is a high rate of loss.  And tilling soil does that no favors.
 
Miracle-Gro will always require calcium supplementation, and Dyna-Gro 7-9-5 is a pretty wild ratio, but it will work fine, if you just cut it in half, and understand that the 9 and 5 are more than you'll ever need when supplying nutrients in a readily available state.  Next season, though, check out the CNS-17 Grow.

Thank you both very much!

Solid7: I do usually use Miracle gro and also use garden lime (in the hole then side dressed). I've had BER issues in the past that garden lime corrected. Will I still need to do this with Foliage Pro? Or will that lead to calcium or magnesium toxicity?

 

[solid7]

  
Thank you both very much!

Solid7: I do usually use Miracle gro and also use garden lime (in the hole then side dressed). I've had BER issues in the past that garden lime corrected. Will I still need to do this with Foliage Pro? Or will that lead to calcium or magnesium toxicity?

 
 
You don't need to supplement anything with the Foliage Pro.  Although, if you're planting in-ground, I might suggest using a granular (or other solid form) fert, and let it break down over time. I say that without knowing what type of soil you have.
 
Also, be careful using garden lime.  Some of it is just bad stuff.  ARe you using dolomitic lime? (brown and black)  Or is it the chalky white/yellowish stuff?

 

[Bhuter]

I usually spread a granular fert and till it in at the beginning of the season. The lime I use reads, "Pelletized dolomitic limestone". Espoma Organic Garden Lime.

 

[ShowMeDaSauce]

A lot of the Jobes granular products are high calcium. Their 4-4-2 compost starter is about 8% IIRC. Alaska fish and kelp pellets (veggie and tomato) is also high in calcium. ATM im mixing Alaska fish emulsion and CNS17. 2 tbs of each for 5gallons of water. My container plants responded well to it.
 
A cheap source of calcium is calcium nitrate but use it sparingly. Its 15-0-0 so a tsp per gallon is plenty. Its roughly 19% calcium and very water soluble. Many of the CalMag type supplements are based on calcium nitrate. A 4lb bag is like $6.

 

[thefish]

 
It's absolutely for container plants. 
 
My humble advice on that matter, though...  Cut the dose down to 1/3 strength, and apply it exactly twice as often, for container plants.  

I don't know what the actual dosage is.  Let's assume that it's 1 Tbsp/gal for in-ground plants, and then let's assume that it's applied once every 6 weeks.  By my previous advice, I'd dose it at 1 tsp (1/3 of a Tbsp) per gallon, and I'd water it in every 2 weeks.

 
1/2 or 1/3 tsp 2x or 3x a week is what i do for my containers on the balcony all summer long. plants love it

 

[ShowMeDaSauce]

Im almost out of CNS17 Grow so i might try Foliage Pro although i think the calcium is a tad low. What i do like is i can use a tiny amount every watering. It also appears to be more cost effective than CNS17.
 

• Maintenance: Mix ¼ – ½ tsp. per gallon of water with every watering.
• Production: Mix 1 tsp. per gallon of water, once a week.
• Monthly Feeding: Use 2 – 3 tsp. per gallon of water.
• Siphon Mixer: (1:15 ratio) Mix 2 – 4 fl. oz. per gallon of water for a concentrate feed solution.
• Foliar Application: Mix ¼ – ½ tsp. per gallon of water and spray directly of leaves.

 




Total Nitrogen (N)___9.0%*
Ammoniacal (NH4)___2.9%*
Nitrate (NO3)___6.1%*
Phosphorus (P2O5)___3.0%*
Potassium (K2O)___6.0%*
Calcium (Ca)___ 2.0%*

Magnesium (Mg)___0.5%*
Sulfur (S)___0.05%
Boron (B)___0.01%
Chlorine (Cl)___0.006%
Cobalt (Co)___0.0005%*
Copper (Cu)___0.05%*

Iron (Fe)___0.1%*
Manganese (Mn)___0.05%*
Molybdenum (Mo)___0.0009%*
Nickel (Ni)___0.0001%
Sodium (Na)___0.05%
Zinc (Zn)___0.05%*



 

 

[Bhuter]

Im almost out of CNS17 Grow so i might try Foliage Pro although i think the calcium is a tad low. What i do like is i can use a tiny amount every watering. It also appears to be more cost effective than CNS17.
 

• Maintenance: Mix ¼ ½ tsp. per gallon of water with every watering.
• Production: Mix 1 tsp. per gallon of water, once a week.
• Monthly Feeding: Use 2 3 tsp. per gallon of water.
• Siphon Mixer: (1:15 ratio) Mix 2 4 fl. oz. per gallon of water for a concentrate feed solution.
• Foliar Application: Mix ¼ ½ tsp. per gallon of water and spray directly of leaves.

  Total Nitrogen (N)___9.0%*
Ammoniacal (NH4)___2.9%*
Nitrate (NO3)___6.1%*
Phosphorus (P2O5)___3.0%*
Potassium (K2O)___6.0%*
Calcium (Ca)___ 2.0%* Magnesium (Mg)___0.5%*
Sulfur (S)___0.05%
Boron (B)___0.01%
Chlorine (Cl)___0.006%
Cobalt (Co)___0.0005%*
Copper (Cu)___0.05%* Iron (Fe)___0.1%*
Manganese (Mn)___0.05%*
Molybdenum (Mo)___0.0009%*
Nickel (Ni)___0.0001%
Sodium (Na)___0.05%
Zinc (Zn)___0.05%*
 

While looking at buying Foliage Pro, I came across two different analysis labels...the one you wrote down and the one that I received. Maybe they changed the formula. There are some things missing in the one I have compared to the list you found.

 

[solid7]

 It also appears to be more cost effective than CNS17.
 

 
That really depends.  At retail, yes.  But Amazon often has deals on 4 gallons of the stuff. (for somewhere under $85 or even lower)  But it's a crapshoot.  You have to check it all the time, as the price changes.  I actually got it once for like $60, with free shipping.
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https://www.amazon.com/Botanicare-Nutrient-Formula-1-Gallon-4-Pack/dp/B00LV20Z2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526654083&sr=8-1&keywords=CNS17+Grow+4+pack
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Make no mistake, though...  CNS17 is the superior product.  Not knocking DynaGro, because it's good stuff, too.  You won't go wrong with either one, but whenever possible, choose one over the other.

 

[ShowMeDaSauce]

Locally a qt of CNS17 is $11-$15 and a qt of Foliage Pro is $22 but i can use less than half as much. So the cost difference isnt that much unless i use 1tsp per gallon. Then its getting better. Its really not that big a deal though since a qt lasted me all last year. A quart of fish emulsion and a quart of CNS17 is cheaper than a quart of Foliage Pro initially and seems to be working. I dont mix it quite full strength but close.
 
Mixed full strength thats 8-2-3 and only used once a week.