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fermenting My try at first Fermented Sauce!

Here'y ingredients :
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some grown by me except the Thai Bird's pepper and the big green(dont know the name) one.
the pepper in top left corner (red) are Super chilli, the orange are Cheyenne Orange pepper, and the 3 on the bottom left are Cayenne pepper

here's some seeds i have collected from those to start my seed bank
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(im new here and next year! whatch out! i will try to grown lots of peppers of all intensity and power) since i dont have any big super hot i will at least have those to replicate. will soon buy some from members here
What im looking for next year :
Lemon drop
Butch T Scorp
One or 2 different jolokia (nice weird color if i can)
on or 2 Habaneros
devil tongue
and lots of cayenne and less hot peppers to make hot sauce !

so if you want to trade some seed for mine i have some of the peppers in the 1st picture

here's my mash in progress
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Exciting little christmas sauce! Are you using anything to kick the fermentation into gear faster, or just peppers and salt? Just have a regular lid on your jar or some sort of nifty airlock?

Keep the updates and pictures coming as this project progresses :)
 
Exciting little christmas sauce! Are you using anything to kick the fermentation into gear faster, or just peppers and salt? Just have a regular lid on your jar or some sort of nifty airlock?

Keep the updates and pictures coming as this project progresses :)

Oh i forgot to mention...

in the metal lid you can see 2 white things, Those are Kefir Grain (tehre is already 2 grains also in the bottom of the jar (not visible in the picture)
after that i have installed a plastic bag over it with an elastic. if there is too much pressure in the bag the elastic will stretch a bit and leave some pressure to go outside. i use to make that king of "airlock" when i ferment some wine. once the major fermetation will be done i will switch it with a real airlock.
but as the ferm is going good there will be plenty of CO2 trap in there to prevent the oxygen to come and scrap the batch!

as i said it's my first try at fermented sauce but i made a lot of sauerkraut, pickles,wine, beer and hydromel so this part of fermentation should be ok.
i will post more picture in the next days for you and other curious member !

i love this forum plenty of info and good person!

David
 
Hammerfall, your looking good so far. Did you add any salt water (brine) to the mix though? The salt water helps to keep the nasties from getting a foot hold in your mash till the goodies get a chance to get going. Once they are then the ph will be low enough to prevent them taking hold. Love the colors you your peppers, really bright and vivid. Been looking for some Thai Birds myself for a sauce idea I have. Keep the updates comming and don't forget the pics.

Cheers, :beer:
RM :cool:
 
That's a nice mix of peppers for your mash hammerfall.
I recently used freeze dried kefir starter for the first time,and have not used the grains for a vegetable ferment before...but have considered doing so.

Here's a couple Kefir observations:
I added 1/2-tsp of the starter to a 1/2 Gal. batch along with a 3.6%brine solution.
After about 10 hours I had some very hearty bubbling action underway,and the salt didn't appear to have much of an impact on the C02 in that particular fermentation.
However,when I used the exact same ingredients proportionally for a 2 Gal. batch, I observed very little bubbling action over the course of 2-1/2 days at 80 degrees.

So...I would really be interested in the amount of salt you've used in proportion to the amount of peppers, or if you used a brine, what percentage(or water/salt ratio)you added.

Note:
Personally,I use airlocks most(like 95%) of the time because it is my understanding that the C02 produced during the fermentation forces any and all oxygen out of the container, therefore depriving any of the toxic bacteria an environment where it can exist.
I'm not sure if a balloon set-up like you have described is used in wine and beer ferments, will result in the complete displacement of all the oxygen...so some mold/yeast growth may occur.
Also, when you change your airlocks during the process, you have introduced oxygen once again, and if the pH level is not yet acidic enough (lactic acid or salt), some toxic bacteria might still be able to survive and reproduce and spoil the ferment.
Good luck to you...and please keep us posted.
CM
 
That's a nice mix of peppers for your mash hammerfall.
I recently used freeze dried kefir starter for the first time,and have not used the grains for a vegetable ferment before...but have considered doing so.

Here's a couple Kefir observations:
I added 1/2-tsp of the starter to a 1/2 Gal. batch along with a 3.6%brine solution.
After about 10 hours I had some very hearty bubbling action underway,and the salt didn't appear to have much of an impact on the C02 in that particular fermentation.
However,when I used the exact same ingredients proportionally for a 2 Gal. batch, I observed very little bubbling action over the course of 2-1/2 days at 80 degrees.

So...I would really be interested in the amount of salt you've used in proportion to the amount of peppers, or if you used a brine, what percentage(or water/salt ratio)you added.

Note:
Personally,I use airlocks most(like 95%) of the time because it is my understanding that the C02 produced during the fermentation forces any and all oxygen out of the container, therefore depriving any of the toxic bacteria an environment where it can exist.
I'm not sure if a balloon set-up like you have described is used in wine and beer ferments, will result in the complete displacement of all the oxygen...so some mold/yeast growth may occur.
Also, when you change your airlocks during the process, you have introduced oxygen once again, and if the pH level is not yet acidic enough (lactic acid or salt), some toxic bacteria might still be able to survive and reproduce and spoil the ferment.
Good luck to you...and please keep us posted.
CM

Ok here's a near daily update ;)
to answer some question i use 6% salt by weight for the brine.
i didnt add too much water just enough to have some water over the peppers to help protect them from air contact.
some use less salt in the brine but i prefer a longer fermentation time but a good one and im not too worried about the bad bacteria in this mix.
my kefir grain is a super lactobacterius generator so it pass or fail ;)

Ok here's some picture of my fast first day ferm vessel (i use it this way because the primary fermetation is usually more bubbling and generates a lot of CO2 in the "system" once the co2 is set in there it makes a blanket over the juice since CO2 is heavyer than oxygen.
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so the basic here to make the oxygen leave is preety simple... i pulll a bit of the rubber band, (just a bit) and squeeze the ziploc which is inflate by the co2 and some oxygen that was in tehre in the beginning. so by squeezing the air is force outand while i press the ziploc i also push down my spice bottle in the middle to make enven more co2 bobble get out of the mash. and when there is not anymore "air" i make the rubberband seal tight the neck of the jar.
later on i repeat 12 hrs later since the fermentation as made inflate my ziploc bag...

Here's a picture of my interesting plate..... (check the white line between the juice and the peppers...)
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it,s a yougourt cover that i have cut to the jar size so i put that over my mash to ensure that i have a pressure plate (combine with the weigth of the spice container over it) so i dont have too much floaties that could be in contact with air thus giving some bad bacteria a chance to multiply.

Basically at day 2 tehre is nice bublling, color start to change from atomic green to a green which is more olive color but my juice is turning more yellowish and everything seems under control... it will be like that for days tilll the ph as drop and bubbling as stop.

Next update later :)

If you have any questions dont hesitate!
 
Cool set up hammerfall.
Thanks for the details of your process.
Like I said...I'm a kefir novice, so the salt and temperature levels on the ferment activity is an unknown for me. Its nice to know that you have some strong activity with 6% salt, because now I feel more comfortable increasing the salt in recipes where I want to use kefir.
Do you grow your own kefir grains?
 
Cool set up hammerfall.
Thanks for the details of your process.
Like I said...I'm a kefir novice, so the salt and temperature levels on the ferment activity is an unknown for me. Its nice to know that you have some strong activity with 6% salt, because now I feel more comfortable increasing the salt in recipes where I want to use kefir.
Do you grow your own kefir grains?

yes i have receive (you cant buy that ;) well yes you can ... but that kind of this is better shared :) like seeds.

anyway i have a jar always full of grain and milk. i dont eat kefir each day but i start my batch at temps level and after 1 or 2 day if i dont eat it i just put it in the fridge this slows down the process and i even forgot my jar in the fridge for months and everything in there was a bit think but was in perfect steriel condition and the kefir was good. after that i just added some milk and the process was still very good no slowdown of kefir production. i love those living friend in my jar :)

they keep me healthy ;)

for the salt yester i stumble on a site that was suggesting 5.4% of salt for peppers
like you i prefer being on the safe side
here's a nice link:
Click Here for Pickling pepper site
 
yes i have receive (you cant buy that ;) well yes you can ... but that kind of this is better shared :) like seeds.

anyway i have a jar always full of grain and milk. i dont eat kefir each day but i start my batch at temps level and after 1 or 2 day if i dont eat it i just put it in the fridge this slows down the process and i even forgot my jar in the fridge for months and everything in there was a bit think but was in perfect steriel condition and the kefir was good. after that i just added some milk and the process was still very good no slowdown of kefir production. i love those living friend in my jar :)

they keep me healthy ;)

for the salt yester i stumble on a site that was suggesting 5.4% of salt for peppers
like you i prefer being on the safe side
here's a nice link:
Click Here for Pickling pepper site

I think I'm gonna have to try growing some kefir grains myself. When I do so...I will very possibly be asking you some "how to" questions if you don't mind.

BTW...I think the 5.4 salt you are referring to on the "Pickl-It" link...is the recommended percentage for making a brine solution for whole peppers.
The same site also recommends 6-10% salt by weight for a dry-brine process of a pepper mash.
(I tend to use a brine solution for pickles and kraut/Kim Chi, and dry-brine by weight for peppers.)
 
I think I'm gonna have to try growing some kefir grains myself. When I do so...I will very possibly be asking you some "how to" questions if you don't mind.

BTW...I think the 5.4 salt you are referring to on the "Pickl-It" link...is the recommended percentage for making a brine solution for whole peppers.
The same site also recommends 6-10% salt by weight for a dry-brine process of a pepper mash.
(I tend to use a brine solution for pickles and kraut/Kim Chi, and dry-brine by weight for peppers.)

yep well i used 6% and everything seem gor for now.
i dont know yet if i will boil this after fermentation is done.... (maybe just boil 50% as test)

and forKefir Info there is a guy that is a complete freak and king in the kefir domain. take a peek at this site! you will have enough to read for months ;) Dom's Kefir Site FAQ
 
yep well i used 6% and everything seem gor for now.
i dont know yet if i will boil this after fermentation is done.... (maybe just boil 50% as test)

and forKefir Info there is a guy that is a complete freak and king in the kefir domain. take a peek at this site! you will have enough to read for months ;) Dom's Kefir Site FAQ
Ah yes...I stumbled across his site a while back, when I was first researching using kefir.
Complete freak and king is a great description of my first impression of his site. Thanks for reminding me of him, I'll have to re-visit.

Have you ever tried a sauce made with fermented mash added after the other ingredients have been cooked?
I make it both ways...and besides the health/probiotic benefits...I find adding the uncooked-fermented mash much more to my liking in both texture and robust flavors.
I closely monitor the pH, and add ingredients as necessary to obtain a safe level.
But the pH of the mash stays pretty constant in the fridge(approx 42 degrees F), so if the cooked ingredients have an acceptable pH, I very seldom make any adjustments.
Plus...Then I can jokingly classify my sauce as a "health food" when friends and family question why I put hot sauce on nearly everything I eat.
 
very high level of bubbling! this is under the control of Lacto bacilium (something like that!) so i dont stress at all! the good bacteria are working for me!
i have t squeeze my ziploc at each 4 hours approx this meas tehre is lots of life working in there! in one or 2 day this very good fermentation shold be less active (due to less sugar to transform) but this is the usual steps...

slow start, followed by an active phase o high bubbling and a return to slow bubling until no more bubling (just like in wine production)
cant wait to tune that into a sauce and test it! from what i have sampled so far this should give me enough heat to pass thru Quebec winter withouot no problems ;)

More pics to come later
 
Ok here a small textual update. ferm is now complete and the mash as been blended and strained to have something more liquid.

my first impression is that 6% salt by weigh is too much.
Way too much! first thing you taste is salt and then BAM th eheat and taste, next time i cut salt in half for sure!

It wont go down the drain since i love to add salt to my meal but next time i will add my sauce and then add more salt of required...

but the heat of the Bird's eye appears quickly! taste a bit like the chinese red fluo hot pepper sauce serve in typical chinese joint.
the kind of heat that cover the meal taste. next time i will add more cayenne to get the pepper flavor. (i have 16 big peppers that are staring to show some redish color!

i will try to add pics later of my final product.
i have keep my kefir grain for my next batch
 
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