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fermenting Question on the "loose-lid" mason jar fermenting method

I keep reading about this loose-lid method on jars to ferment the pepper mashes without the need for an airlock, etc. Can someone tell me how loose the lid actually has to be? Do you put it on tight and then just loosen it slightly? Do you just lay the lid on without tightening?
 
Also, is this actually effective for keeping out "nasties?"
 
There are a lot of members here that can help you.  Rocketman, beerbreath81, salsalady and others that do it as a hobby or professionally on here.  There are a couple of pinned threads on thp on how to ferment that may be of use to you also.  I am no expert so that is my advice for what it is worth.
 
Thanks! I have checked that out and other members' posts as well - I just notice some conflicting information and I want to make sure I have all the details from the experts on this site. 
 
I pick directly off plant, do not wash peppers (for wild yeast), place into jars, lightly place rings and lids on ( place lid and then just turn ring a 1/4 turn), leave them in a cool and dark place for 6-9 months. When I come back the jar is full of good pepper wine. I add my vinegar and salt to taste while blending. I call it a cold, no salt mash.
 
I don't know about loose but when I ferment in mason jars I put my mash in the jar, put a lid on it and tighten up the top but just till it stops.  Seems to work well so far.  Just make sure you have a good brine in it.
 
For me, carbonic maceration proves to be the best flavor producer. The brine comes from the peppers and yeasts/bacterias doing their job in time. After that main process you can add any other ingredients you like. I prefer simple sauce though (peppers fermented or not, vinegar, and a lil salt). Really showcases the peppers used as well as your local yeasts' profiles.
 
JH--
to answer your question---lid should be snug not tight
 
There are few different methods that you can use when fermenting.
 
1--Leave lid on snug enough for carbon dioxide to escape, the theory here is that as long as carbon dioxide is escaping oxygen cannot enter.
2--Close lid tightly and burp jar every day for about a week
3--Submerge everything beneath the brine so it (fruit) is not exposed to the atmosphere/oxygen.
4--airlock system
 
You will need to consider a few things when starting up a ferment.
 
1. Will it be a mash or whole fruit
2. Where will lacto come from, wild or commercial.
 
If you are going to do a mash then submerging everything will be a little difficult to get all the little bits below the water so you are left with the other three as options.
 
If you plan to use wild fermentation then it is recomended that you leave the mash "out" or open to the air for 24hrs.  Cover with a towel, cheesecloth etc. and scure with rubberband and leave on your counter. Then cover with lid or airlock.  I only use wild fermentation when everything is submerged in the brine and I never follow up with a lid, I just leave open to atmoshere. I.E. Pickles or saurkraut place all in stone crockware, I cover with a dinner plate and place 3-4 quart mason jars full of water on top of the plate to keep everything submerged.  Times for ferment will depend on temprature, and personal preference anywhere from a week to a month or longer
 
For mashes I use commercial lacto (whitelabs) from a local homebrew shop to get everything going quickly and assure myself that the benificial bateria are present. I know of others using lacto pills or whey (whey will have a taste on your ferment as an FYI).  Then I use burp technique. Once a day I will crack the jar to let the gases escape and then tighten it back up. I will also give the jar a good shake and burp again. By doing this you will know when the fermentation has started and when it finished. No more burps and ferment is complete and starting to age and flavors will start to mingle.
 
Things to keep in mind--
Leave enough space for ferment, never fill a jar more than 2/3 full or there will be run over.
By tightning lid completly, I think there is a small risk that if left unattended and not burped, jar can crack/explode.
 
P.S--
you will notice that if you are to buy a commercial airlock system made for fermenting vegetables it also comes with a lid that will fit in the jar and a stainless steel cup, kinda like one served at resturants for condiments.  They will intruct you to add lid and invert the cup then attach the lid with the airlock.  So everything is submerged.  This is a kinda "covering all bases" approach.
 
Hope this helps, good luck and let us know how it goes
 
here is a link to a free ebook if interested
http://www.culturesforhealth.com/lacto-fermentation-free-ebook
 
Wow! Thanks everyone! Your advice is much appreciated. I actually started a mash about a week ago (4 lbs of green jalapenos and 1 lb of green serranos mixed) - I love green sauces - and I have it in a fermentation crock right now (one of those German ceramic ones with a water-air lock to let the CO2 escape with no o2 getting in). The only problem is that I can't see what's going on in there, so I started an identical mash with smaller proportions in a large mason jar so I can see what's going on (which is why I asked about the loose lid method).
 
I'm worried that the green peppers don't have enough sugar so I added just 1 clove of garlic, and a tablespoon of white sugar to get the fermentation going (not sure if white sugar is ok). I also used a packet of Caldwell's vegetable starter and 8% salt dissolved in some filtered water. The unfortunate thing is the crock didn't come with any weights so I hope that's not a problem, but I did leave ample airspace to ensure room for the mash to rise.
 
Hopefully this works!
 
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