Seed company questions? (Thread split from sale area)

[Taj]

??????? We had this discussion I thought Candice ?
Mine are from Organic certified seed packer here in OZ -
Supply puts -Scoville rating of 100,000 - 350,000 units.
I dont produce them , was informed BY THEM that they are the BONNETT strain.
I am currently growing them in hydro, so I will see for my self with in the next 8 weeks.

Before I start this is not a personal attack, on either you or your business, this is just something I have been thinking about and try to take it as constructive critisim rather than the alternative ...

If you are reselling anything it is your responsibility to make sure the merchandise that you are selling is what you claim it to be. There is no excuse to shift the blame from anyone else except yourself, this is business 101. How can you justify selling seed stock without testing it thoroughly first? This is why when you hijacked the thread of mine offering to sell me any pepper that was mentioned I just ignore you and wrote you off my list for life, you were so desperate for a sale I really pitied you but knew better than to give change to a begger.

I never realised that the entire existance of this forum was merely meant to be an advertising ground for you to sell whatever it is that you may or may not have in stock.

I have bought seeds and plants from 3 companies in Australia, and of course, I just imported 50 quid worth from England. You must seriously think why I refused to order off you, and I knew very well of your site, as I do of all the other dealers in Australia.

When I look at a website to order seeds off, the first think I look at is the photographs, because I am a photographer by trade. The majority of your photographs I have seen plastered all over the web, and this tells me instantly either one of two things, A) You were lazy and just copied and pasted from other websites, or B) You don't have the plants to take the photographs off, and are merely reselling your stock. If it is A, then I do not want to do business with someone like that. If it is B) I know I can buy everything you sell cheaper elsewhere.

And this is even without getting started on the number of people's rights that you have infringed on by building your website. Just because something is posted on the internet, does not make it public domain. Perhaps I care a bit about this more than most, because it is my industry at stake, but there is really no excuse to have done what you have done.

The majority of other dealers in Australia have taken their own photos of their own stock and that is how people are sure when they buy the stock off them, that they are the right seeds.

I watched this forum for a long long time before I ever joined it and watched all the personalities here, and how they interacted with each other in order to gauge how well I could do business with them. This is a really nice community, because we are all addicted to something that makes us happy and gets us high, we should theoritically all be a good bunch of people then, but sadly, as with every other community, there will always be one or two bad apples, and the people who are the bad apples here are extremely obvious, not mentioning any names and I am not saying you are one, take a look at yourself and make up your own mind. At the end of the day, its all just perception, which changes with every person ...

You should really know better than most, that the consumers will talk to each other, as will dodgy dealers try and talk shit to the consumers about other dealers. This happens in any industry, even my own, the difference is the majority of Photographers will talk to other Photographers about models, but will never mention other photographers to models, it is just bad form. There will always be a few people added to the exception, and they will find in time they will turn both clients and the entire industry against them by their own behaviour.

This is what I see already happening, not necessarily within TheHotPepper forum, but more within the entire Australian chilli scene. But it is always bound to happen, as China will rise, as the US will fall, there will always be someone trying to control everyone else ... yet, as always through history, it never lasts.

Just relax, enjoy the life you have ... you will find you will be a lot happier within yourself.

 

[chilliman]

- not defending for I think you have VERY valued points !
I am just a humble reseller ! And 95% of my photos are from my suppliers that I re sell for. They have provided at a cost or given permission to use.
But I can see where you are coming from as far as being a photographer.

As far a an individual growing all of the strains I stock ?? And plan to have more than 100 more!?
Trying to separate even 10 different variety in a commercial space and provided the right environment for each is a head ache...lol. So this is why I have chosen to sell commercially produced seeds and buy wholesale from the likes of, Frontel Agritech, Nicky`s, Green Harvest & many more. And not back yard seeds.
I believe this is the best way to get the right genus for each strain. And not a cross pollinated plant with unstable genetics. As many of the aussie companies do !
I buy these through Binomial and Botanical names, for each variety has many common names. And the only way for me to be sure and accurate on buying and importing seeds.

Please understand I am brand new !! I started in FEB, and had no real clue about building a WEB site or anything. And I did everything self taut & tight budgets. Also there is only a couple ways to market an online business. And I don't like unsolicited email or spam. And feel blogging is the only fair way.
I really dont mind where people shop, But I would like to have the most comprehensive range for people like you at the RIGHT price. And do wish to bring down prices- but have been requested not to by other seed companies! And we as a new company cant really afford it ! -IM but a true Chillihead ! Luvs to talk all things chilli ! And truely sorry if I have offended in any way ?



Thanx Taj - I do get permission first :wink: ! And buy through Botanical and binomial names. So I CAN guarantee what Im selling is what I say it is ! And will mature as such !
I am trying mabey to hard to build a good reputation by being easy to access to have a chat, and untill now did not think it was bad form !

IAN
p.s If you look , You will find that most of my posts are NOT BUSINESS related at all more cooking with chilli !

 

[Taj]

- not defending for I think you have VERY valued points !
I am just a humble reseller ! And 90% of my photos are from my suppliers that I re sell for. They have provided or given permission to use.
But I can see where you are coming from as far as being a photographer.

As far a an individual growing all of the strains I stock ?? And plan to have more than 100 more!?
Trying to separate even 10 different variety in a commercial space and provided the right environment for each is a head ache...lol. So this is why I have chosen to sell commercially produced seeds, Such Frontel Agritech, Nicky`s, Green Harvest etc. And not back yard seeds.
I believe this is the best way to get the right genus for each strain. And not a cross pollinated plant with unstable genetics.
I buy these through Binomial and Botanical names, for each variety has many common names. And the only way for me to be sure and accurate on buying and importing seeds.

Please understand I am brand new !! I started in FEB, and had no real clue about building a WEB site or anything. And I did everything self taut & tight budgets. Also there is only a couple ways to market an online business. And I don't like unsolicited email or spam. And feel blogging is the only fair way.
I really dont mind where people shop, But I would like to have the most comprehensive range for people like you at the RIGHT price. And do not think I have many orders from here anyway ! IM just a true Chillihead ! Luvs to talk all things chilli !



Thanx Taj - I do get permission first :wink: ! And buy through Botanical and binomial names. So I CAN guarantee what Im selling is what I say it is ! And will mature as such !
I am trying mabey to hard to build a good reputation and untill now did not think it was bad form !

IAN
p.s If you look , You will find that most of my posts are NOT BUSINESS related at all more cooking with chilli !

I think the main problem with you, and I mean this in the nicest way, is that you are new, and you went straight into an industry head strong, without watching where you were going and were aiming too high in a too short of a time span. It would be different if you had been researching chillis and companies, and networking for a couple of years before you started your business.

This goes for any industry not just this one, I myself have only been around here (chilli industry) for 2 years, but have been researching all types of plant growing / agriculture, greenhouses, hydro, commercial farms for a good 6-7 years.

Buying through botanical names is really no defense, as this comes back to the fact that if you have bad wholesalers, your retail end is still going to get the bad press. When I said you should grow your stock, I meant grow the seeds you buy to make sure the varieties are what you say they are, not grow to make your own seed stock if all you wish to do is to stay a simple reseller. This itself would add unnecessary over heads and it is quite clear that you are trying to keep the over heads as low as possible.

In the photographic industry you see a lot of 'new' photographers try to act too professional, or try and offer advice to other people, try to sway models in their direction or just become a nuisance to the majority of other photographers. They do not realise what they are doing and it turns everyone against them and they wonder why they can never succeed. Everyone talks, everyone bitches, its just part of being human. The secret is that you just want people to say good things about you when they talk about you, which they will, rather than bitch.

For me, you deleting your posts from my thread with an apology was nice, but I still don't like your business or the way in which you conduct it, whether in relation to other industry members or clients, and as such, will still not buy from you. I am blunt, I am not an asshole, there is a difference. Beating around the bush never did anyone good.

Nearly everything I do in my life is self taught. I owned a Graphic Design/Web Development/Printing company from 2001-2008, so I am lucky in the sense that I still have all my industry contacts, accounts and can do everything I need myself. So I can go print flyers, I can go maildrop, I can do all the graphic design work, and all it costs me is time, but I have yet to decide what I wish to do and in what direction I wish to take things.

Being on a shoe string budget is unfortunate, but money still has to be spent and it has to be spent wisely. Advertising online through blogging is perhaps free, but radio, tv or print would work better. Attending chilli festivals, expos etc, all cost money. You have to make a choice to do this either half assed or invest a shitload of money and time into it and make it work. And the problem with blogging, or forum posting, is that people like me, will judge you on what you post, and refuse to go near you because they don't like the type of person you are, and/or the way you act.

I know what you buy things at, I know what you sell them at. You are doing this to make a profit (which of course is what you want to do) and I believe your profit/mark up is unjustifiable.

Anyone can figure this out themselves by looking at any of the manufactures' website prices, and then by looking at your prices, and see for themselves the huge price jump, and this is after you buy at a wholesale price for reselling.

You should be selling at RRP (for local stuff) and at a competitive price for imported goods. Having a website where you can order from many different manufacturers is nice, but you have to keep in mind the overheads of keeping stock, and the costs of holding dead stock. (Ie, not moving). And I do not see much of a profit in it at all without sufficient outlays especially in advertising, and even then, advertising over-inflated prices on local goods when people can just buy straight from the manufacturers? You don't have to be in kindy to work out that something there doesn't make sense.

Reselling (Which is what I use to do) is all good and dandy, when the manufacturers don't sell to the public. When they do, then you expect the manufacturers prices to be ABOVE the reseller's prices as in the case with APPLE (the computer company), who sells for RRP on their website knowing full well that their resellers will undersell them. APPLE knows there will always be people stupid enough to buy off them directly and as such, always left that avenue open. Who doesn't want free money?

But that is a different because they are a manufacturer. You are a reseller. I honestly think you are going in the wrong direction, and aiming for too high of a result too fast. I think a step back, and a good hard look at what you wish to achieve and what the cost of achieving that is, is required.

You cannot build a reputation, or at least, a good one. That comes in time with happy clients who want to share what they have found, it is not something you can just magically create (at least on a shoestring budget). Like the saying goes, Respect is earned, never given. Respect for your business, ie, your reputation, has to be earned, it cannot be forced unto people, stupid people perhaps, but you shouldn't really be taking advantage of them anyways.

Honestly, at the moment, your reputation it is not very good ...

 

[chilliman]

Interesting aim for someone who is or was trying to talk generally. And i think you may have false perception

I think the main problem with you, and I mean this in the nicest way, is that you are new, and you went straight into an industry head strong, without watching where you were going and were aiming too high in a too short of a time span. It would be different if you had been researching chillis and companies, and networking for a couple of years before you started your business.

Hang on, LOL.. in fact I have grown on a large scale for years and partially way through Horticulture degree. The aim is to build my own nursery of chilli only. And have many VERY good industry contacts and up and comers like me !
I have bought the land and have the mortgage to prove it.
I have been in business for my self for over 10yrs in the commodities trade industry and steel as a primary.
They were pretty bold statements from a guy I have NEVER SPOKEN TOO !

This goes for any industry not just this one, I myself have only been around here (chilli industry) for 2 years, but have been researching all types of plant growing / agriculture, greenhouses, hydro, commercial farms for a good 6-7 years.

AS HAVE I , what makes you think it was a split decision and not a launch ? All i can say come and VISIT !!

Buying through botanical names is really no defense, as this comes back to the fact that if you have bad wholesalers, your retail end is still going to get the bad press. When I said you should grow your stock, I meant grow the seeds you buy to make sure the varieties are what you say they are, not grow to make your own seed stock if all you wish to do is to stay a simple reseller. This itself would add unnecessary over heads and it is quite clear that you are trying to keep the over heads as low as possible.

As I say to my clients ANY honest problems with GERM , i will repost.

In the photographic industry you see a lot of 'new' photographers try to act too professional, or try and offer advice to other people, try to sway models in their direction or just become a nuisance to the majority of other photographers. They do not realise what they are doing and it turns everyone against them and they wonder why they can never succeed. Everyone talks, everyone bitches, its just part of being human. The secret is that you just want people to say good things about you when they talk about you, which they will, rather than bitch.

For me, you deleting your posts from my thread with an apology was nice, but I still don't like your business or the way in which you conduct it, whether in relation to other industry members or clients, and as such, will still not buy from you. I am blunt, I am not an asshole, there is a difference. Beating around the bush never did anyone good.

Nearly everything I do in my life is self taught. I owned a Graphic Design/Web Development/Printing company from 2001-2008, so I am lucky in the sense that I still have all my industry contacts, accounts and can do everything I need myself. So I can go print flyers, I can go maildrop, I can do all the graphic design work, and all it costs me is time, but I have yet to decide what I wish to do and in what direction I wish to take things.



Being on a shoe string budget is unfortunate, but money still has to be spent and it has to be spent wisely. Advertising online through blogging is perhaps free, but radio, tv or print would work better. Attending chilli festivals, expos etc, all cost money. You have to make a choice to do this either half assed or invest a shitload of money and time into it and make it work. And the problem with blogging, or forum posting, is that people like me, will judge you on what you post, and refuse to go near you because they don't like the type of person you are, and/or the way you act.

Sorry mate, you have not understood, The website was on budget due to creating comps, charity dinners sponsored by us, market fees attending things like sawtell in JULY, Buying stock, in both seed and sauce.
Travelling to create industry contacts, and attend functions internationally, setting up partnerships for promotion of good AUSTRALIAN chilli products, growing partnerships, much more

I know what you buy things at, I know what you sell them at. You are doing this to make a profit (which of course is what you want to do) and I believe your profit/mark up is unjustifiable.

???? My margins are not as good as you think, Yes i have probably 50 / 50 good and bad margins in the end i work on around 10-15%.

Anyone can figure this out themselves by looking at any of the manufactures' website prices, and then by looking at your prices, and see for themselves the huge price jump, and this is after you buy at a wholesale price for reselling.

And i encourage them to, and will find alot of stock is similar or the same after postage and currency exchange .

You should be selling at RRP (for local stuff) and at a competitive price for imported goods. Having a website where you can order from many different manufacturers is nice, but you have to keep in mind the overheads of keeping stock, and the costs of holding dead stock. (Ie, not moving). And I do not see much of a profit in it at all without sufficient outlays especially in advertising, and even then, advertising over-inflated prices on local goods when people can just buy straight from the manufacturers? You don't have to be in kindy to work out that something there doesn't make sense.

??? Again you think this was on the fly. LOL My wife would not let me touch capital with out justification (she is a migration lawyer very head strong)
I have sold FMCG for a long time and perishables so I understand shelf life and the risk taken if not on consignment.


Reselling (Which is what I use to do) is all good and dandy, when the manufacturers don't sell to the public. When they do, then you expect the manufacturers prices to be ABOVE the reseller's prices as in the case with APPLE (the computer company), who sells for RRP on their website knowing full well that their resellers will undersell them. APPLE knows there will always be people stupid enough to buy off them directly and as such, always left that avenue open. Who doesn't want free money?

But that is a different because they are a manufacturer. You are a reseller. I honestly think you are going in the wrong direction, and aiming for too high of a result too fast. I think a step back, and a good hard look at what you wish to achieve and what the cost of achieving that is, is required.

Again you have no real basis. And have not obviously seen or spoken to me before about what we are doing here on the EAST COAST

You cannot build a reputation, or at least, a good one. That comes in time with happy clients who want to share what they have found, it is not something you can just magically create (at least on a shoestring budget). Like the saying goes, Respect is earned, never given. Respect for your business, ie, your reputation, has to be earned, it cannot be forced unto people, stupid people perhaps, but you shouldn't really be taking advantage of them anyways.

Honestly, at the moment, your reputation it is not very good ...

What can I say to that but Sorry you feel that way? And can not see your basis for it ??????
You have not dealt with or done business with me, or even had a chat till now.
Regards

IAN

 

[Taj]

I know very well that we have not chatted, I made sure I never chatted with you until I thought such time it was wise to do so, instead I have watched you and the way you react with people and have built up my own conclusions based on that. People try and bullshit you when they talk, it is better just to watch as the majority of people are extremely transparent and are easy enough to read to find out what their real intentions are.

Your first paragraph there sums you up in a nutshell. You have many industry contacts, up and comers like you. How many contacts do you have who have been in this industry for longer than a couple of years? How many contacts do you have in the Department of Agriculture and Food? Small business industry? Trade groups? All these people exist to help you and they should be your main contacts.

Having 'up and coming' contacts, in which I believe you mean people who have justed started developing their own sauces, in it's own is not that good. Yes, it is good to keep these people on side, the keyword being on side, but alone that will not make a business.

As for coming and having a visit, I fail to see how in any way that will benefiet me, perhaps it would allow you to think you could somehow change my mind, but after comparing your posts in this thread to my own, I think that would be a waste of everyone's time. You can have a 10 acre chilli farm, and I would still be unimpressed if you had poor business skills to go along with it. It comes back to sitting on dead stock, its a nasty position to get yourself into.

If the website is your main tool, or in your case, your only tool which allows you to turn a profit, how in the world can that possibly make sense to you to be the one place (or main place) that you become stingy with, that you fail to invest in? Anyone else who is reading this should be able to see and agree with me that, that is the main place in which you should invest your money!

What you have said is basically like going to a black tie event in boardshorts and a singlet, and don't forget the thongs.

Let's take Wrath of God for example, which you sell for $20. The price from Scorpion Chilli to the public is $14. The wholesale price is probably around $10-12 (Lets say $12 including postage to you), so you have a sauce for $12 which you sell for $20. How is that 15% margin? That is nearly 70% mark up or a margin of 40%.

And if you are making a loss on anything to bring that down to an average of 15% margin, then I do not need to say anything more, your business will run itself into the ground.


When it comes back down to the prices, if it is cheaper for people to import themselves then it will be. Ideally you would be buying in bulk, receiving a discount, and then passing that discount on to your clients, not adding more margin and making it more expensive to buy off you then to import themselves.

As for currency, it fluctuates everyday, this is where importing stock and sitting on the stock is a risky business, it can either gain you a larger margin, or it can reduce your margin and turn it into a loss.

As for your wife being a migration lawyer, that is like me saying I will send around a plumber to fix your internet connection, as they are both a series of tubes . Migration has nothing to do with anything relating to running a business. My uncle is an all-round lawyer, my cousin a conveyancer, my brother criminal law and my mate contract law. The only one who is any use to me for running my businesses is my mate who can read and correct all my contracts. FYI, another uncle is a plumber, just to throw something completely irrelevant into the conversation like you have done so many times already.

Having a strong head means nothing, it could also mean you are dense, stubborn and irrational. Having a strong head, with a smart intellect related to business is crucial for running a business. Being stubborn and knowing a lot about everything not related to business is not a good thing. It just means you are stupid and incompetent.

What you are doing on the East Coast ... is this not all Australia? Are we not all living in the same country? Are you trying to divide us down the middle, East vs West? In which case because we are from the west we don't really care what you guys do, because you are too American for us anyways? See this is a nonsense argument which validates my point about your lack of intellect entirely.

I am very well aware of what it is that you are trying to do, or have plans to do, but are failing to act on anything that you have said.

I am very happy we had this conversation, but as of now, I am going to get dinner. If you wish to continue this conversation I will be more than happy to once I have returned.

 

[chilliman]

Austral Herbs & Hawkesbury Gourmet herbs have just picked up a grow contract from me to produce superhots. Cost me a fortune!
Distribution contacts into retail, trucking and logistics etc. What are you talking about ??
Government - LOL & If you want to bring your whole families history and business dealings, my mother is in Department of forestry and lands
Father is Operations Manager for mining for BHP in Port Headland WA
Uncles run TEREX cranes WA
2 lawyers and 4 accountants in the family &
Brother has largest plastering company in Australia

Why dose any of this matter ?

Division of west and east ??? NO again misunderstood me (silly comment!) I do plenty of stuff over here for logistic reasons. And have plans for functions and promotions over there ! And have MOST of family over there !
Scorpions is priced according to availability at the moment as it is VERY hard to get hold of. (demand vs supply)
I dont hide there links so customers can visit his site ?? ???

I will bring down my prices as things settle on my other outgoings to create sources of income through chillis. And Of course I will update my site.
Passing the on savings is what we planned. And posted a generic price - and the orders started to pile in so, yes I have been lazy and not updated prices.

Between my wife and I we have 20+yrs of higher learning (UNI), IN ALL BUSINESS related subjects and have concluded that Migration is the most profitable business for our means. We have accountants and educated in finance. And still studying ! And run a consulting business for 10 years.!


Truly taken back by your attack - I HAVE NEVER HAD BAD FEED BACK on the 400+ orders I have done ?

IAN

p.s I DONT WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU,! And don't know what your motive is ? or why I am , except i have to defend myself form a false perception, based on (emotionless) statements made by me through this forum apparently ?????
As this is a COMMUNITY I TRUELY RESPECT !!
Maybe I dont spend enough time on computers talking to people, i have not grasped the fact that you can make such huge calls considering we never have met and i have not posted anything you can say is offensive or misleading. ?
I cant see where your point is, as it changes all the time !

I have NEVER HAD AN ENEMY EVER ?? or thought someone didnt like me who has met me ? that includes 10 years of business.

 

[chilliman]

Yep, had two opinions now from mutual people. You must be board or you are a competitor ?
Why do you care so much about my business ?
IS this a game ? who can run a better business ? And why ?

 

[Taj]

Austral Herbs & Hawkesbury Gourmet herbs have just picked up a grow contract from me to produce superhots. Cost me a fortune!
Distribution contacts into retail, trucking and logistics etc. What are you talking about ??
Government - LOL & If you want to bring your whole families history and business dealings, my mother is in Department of forestry and lands
Father is Operations Manager for mining for BHP in Port Headland
Uncles run TEREX cranes
2 lawyers and 4 accountants in the family &
Brother has largest plastering company in Australia

Why dose any of this matter ?

Division of west and east ??? NO again misunderstood me (silly comment!) I do plenty of stuff over here for logistic reasons. And have plans for functions and promotions over there !
Scorpions is priced according to availability at the moment as it is VERY hard to get hold of. (demand vs supply)
I dont hide there links so customers can visit his site ?? ???

I will bring down my prices as things settle on my other outgoings to create sources of income through chillis. And Of course I will update my site.
Passing the on savings is what we planned. And posted a generic price - and the orders started to pile in so, yes I have been lazy and not updated prices.

Between my wife and I we have 20+yrs of higher learning (UNI), IN ALL BUSINESS related subjects and have concluded that Migration is the most profitable business for our means. We have accountants and educated in finance.


Truly taken back by your attack - I HAVE NEVER HAD BAD FEED BACK on the 400+ orders I have done ?

IAN

p.s I DONT WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU,! And don't know why I am , except i have to defend myself form a false perception, based on (emotionless) statements made by me through this forum apparently ?????
Maybey I dont spend enough time on computers talking to people, i have not grasped the fact that you can make such huge calls considering we never have meet the person on the other end. Just me?!
I cant see where your point is, as it changes all the time !

I have NEVER HAD AN ENEMY EVER ?? or thought someone didnt like me who has meet me ? that includes 10 years of business.

No where in this thread have I attacked you, I have merely been pointing out flaws and providing false floors for you to step on.

I again fail to see how obtaining a contact to produce superhots would cost you a fortune, unless you mean you bribed your way in, which I do not believe you did, perhaps you picked a bad choice of words and are saying because you have this contract, you now have to invest in farmland, seeds, proprogation equipment and the likes. This is true for any business, and I do not believe as such they would award you a contract with funding, I believe more so that they might have agreed to a contract if and when you can supply the goods they require.

I am not bringing in my family's history, nor am I mentioning any contacts I may or may not have. I was merely using the "law" side of my family as an example in relation to your wife, which proves my point about Law being so diverse, a Migration Lawyer has no place in running a Retail business and was completely irrevelvant to the conversation in which you choose to inject her and thus bought on that following discussion.

I was blessed with a large family that had good connections/networks before I was born which has enabled me to follow any path in life that I wish to choose. But this is completely irrelevant yet again to this conversation. I was not parading my family as you so did, I merely stated that I had 4 different lawyers surrounding me, and the only one that is any us to me when it comes to my businesses is my contractual lawyer friend.

As for Scorpion's products being hard to get a hold of, I could if I so wish place an order for 100 bottles right now and know in good faith that Dave could cope just fine. Until I see a "No stock left" on the Scorpion website, then I fail to see how any supply vs demand comes into this equation at all. It is just like you are thinking back to Year 11 subjects, trying to remember something smart to say that has no sense in being involved in this conversation at all. If the demand was so high for Scorpion's sauces, his base price would go up, and so would yours. Not your price go up and his stay the same. You have failed once again to surpass me in intellect as I point out the flaws within your own argument.

So you are saying at this moment in time that the people who are just after hot sauces must pay for the other overheads involved in expanding your business into farming? How can you justify that? That is like Honda suddenly doubling all the prices of their cars because they want to mass produce ASIMO. Come on mate, that isn't fair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO

 

[chilliman]

Yep, had two opinions now from mutual people. You must be board or you are a competitor ?
Consumers have choice ?
Why do you care so much about my business ?

 

[Taj]

Yep, had two opinions now from mutual people. You must be board or you are a competitor ?
Why do you care so much about my business ?
IS this la game ? who can run a better business ?

You don't even want to know the number of PM's I have received regarding this thread. And the number of people who have pointed out to me that you keep editing your posts, as you can see, with all of my posts I have never edited them once because I write what I want to say, read it, make sure it is correct, and then post. Hence why I quote your posts so even after you have edited them, the originals are still there within mine.

By board I presume you mean 'Bored'. I am not bored, in all honesty I havn't been this happy for a long time, I am having a load of fun discussing business with you because you are such an entertaining debater.

As for being a game, I guess you can call it that. I guess you can call Life itself a game, after all that is what I truly believe life is, just a game, with only one outcome. Ever sit in the city and just watch people walk past? Everyone is so busy in their lives, they don't really care about anyone else, they just do the same things everyday. If you see a woman crying on the street, do you think or even care? Or do you walk past unconcerned, and even if you knew the reason she was crying is because her husband died, would you care? Of course not, her life does not effect your own, you might feel pity, but you wouldn't really care. Why would anyone spend their all that energy and emotion on something that does not concern them at all?

As for running a better business, I do not like business so hence why I got out (see above posts), I am posting here so not only you can read, and take from my posts what you will, but so everyone else can read it aswell, and hopefully learn a thing or two, if not, then I couldn't care either way.

I like sharing knowledge, whether or not you think what I wrote is knowledgable or not, that is just your perception and thoughts. I am sure there will be a few people here going wow, thats good, and a few people here going, meh, thats shit, doesn't know what he is talking about.

As for caring about your business, I fail to see anywhere where I have emotionally gotten involved and said I cared at all about you or your business at all. The truth is I could care less what you do because in no way does any choice you do or make, or anything you say or think in any way at all affect my life or who I am. I have never once said I am offering advice to you, or acting better than you (Except where I said my intellect and wit surpasses your own, in which case, that is obvious from reading this discussion anyways).

I just saw someone who has some business practices I do not agree with, rip some people off that I am fond of, so using greater intellect and wit, gave them an opportunity to show their true face to the entire forum and publically make a fool of themselves. And I had some fun in the process.

That is life ... perhaps now you could classify me as an asshole.

 

[Taj]

Who are you referring to ? Ripped of some your fond of ????
I dont deal much to WA. because of the restrictions.

Your here on behalf of a competitor ?? Since you are putting so much energy into this ? And you dont really care about my business ?

AND i EDIT because I cant spell ! and grammer is off ! LOL was never going to be an english teacher!

That is actually a lie, something I have noticed you do quite a lot.

For instance, you edited out the line where you admitted to ripping people off because you are too lazy to put down your prices because you have been getting orders. And when I pull you up on it you you failed to respond and have simply started accussing me of being here from the competition.

When in all honesty, you have no competition. You are the only person doing this in Australia, at least for the time being.

We have restrictions here because we have a lack of plant diseases, therefore, if you were setting up a farm you would set it up here and export it to other states because of the restrictions. That is just common sense.

I am not putting energy into this, because there is, as you said, no emotion, therefore no energy. I am not getting frustrated, or angry, I am smiling a lot and you even made me chuckle a few times, which I thank you for because I really need to laugh more in my life.

I am in no way affiliated with anyone anywhere. I buy my sauces off people, I buy my seeds off people, I buy my plants off people, and I like these people, hence why I do business with them. I have half a dozen 'chilli' people that I deal with, and they are all good people, some are quirky but each is unique in their own way, and they all provide good service and good products.

It comes back down to the point where you did wrong by someone I am fond of, so, I made an example of you, I let you destroy yourself and your reputation. I did not need to publically bash you, you did that well enough yourself. You admitted to ripping people off, and I pointed out that fact, which you refuse to respond to now.

I got what I wanted, you played into my hand.

 

[chilliman]

That is actually a lie, something I have noticed you do quite a lot.

For instance, you edited out the line where you admitted to ripping people off because you are too lazy to put down your prices because you have been getting orders. And when I pull you up on it you you failed to respond and have simply started accussing me of being here from the competition.


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Unwarranted !


WTF IT IS STILL IN ABOVE POST OF MINE !

How is it ripping off ??? Unwarranted ! Who are you referring to "FOND OF" Candice from above post ? ?
My prices are what they are untill I FINISH SETTING UP THE REST OF THE BUSINESS ! And still believe I have better prices on most of my lines. And I have Sold Bugger all sauces at moment and probably take allot to market !
Are you talking about Scorpion Sauces ? I buy and ship here to nsw, pay admin costs, postage and help them for promotions and give them a heap of free advertising and free sponsorship here in NSW. If you dont like it dont buy it ? I LOVE IT and think it should be worth more !! & to help bring it up to par with USA pricing and the value of its contents and labour.

We would NEVER rip anyone off and dont see how this is even a true claim ?
I am trying to help PROMOTE SCORPION SAUCES and in fact want Dave and Fam to be a major part in our development in the Australian sauce market products.

It seems unwarranted ? And a pointless argument and played into your hand ?
Pick over all my prices !!!!!!! I DONT RIP people off in fact I promise to bring the cheapest prices in the future !

Glade fun for you, for I still have no real idea of what or who you are referring to ? Or why ?

Thanx for ruining my Sunday night.

 

[chilliman]

To me you seem like an educated guy, probably more than me and probably older and wiser,
For some reason you pick us to pick on tonight , but yet you have come up with a bunch of crap about how I ripped someone off your fond of ? And bad business practise?
I call ABSOLOUTE BS !! I untill you can back your self on open forum BS !
Look around Im not the only one doing this ! I just plan to be the biggest. Jealous maybe I bet you to the punch ?

We have NEVER had a customer dispute ? And would offer any customer that is unhappy a refund and have OFFERED CANDICE here money back !!!!!

 

[Taj]

WTF IT IS STILL IN ABOVE POST OF MINE !

How is it ripping off ???
My prices are what they are untill I FINISH SETTING UP THE REST OF THE BUSINESS ! And still believe I have better prices on most of my lines.
Are you talking about Scorpion Sauces ? I buy and ship here to nsw, pay admin costs, postage and help them for promotions and give them a heap of free advertising and free sponsorship here in NSW. If you dont like it dont buy it ? I LOVE IT and think it should be worth more !! & to help bring it up to par with USA pricing and the value of its contents and labour.

We would NEVER rip anyone off and dont see how this is even a true claim ?
I am trying to help PROMOTE SCORPION SAUCES and in fact want Dave and Fam to be a major part in our development in the australian sauce market products.

It seems unwarrented ? And a pointless arguement and played into your hand ?
Pick over all my prices !!!!!!! I DONT RIP people off in fact I promise to bring the cheapest prices in the future !

You were quite fast to edit that back to the original post, well done. Kudos to you. You did have an edit that removed the part "and the orders started to pile in". This is why you should not edit your posts, bad form. You have been posting, reading, editing out lines, and reposting all night. It is hard to cover one's tracks in the snow, without a storm.

Admin costs = Overhead, in case you never learnt that in your 20+ years of combined higher learning. But still a 70% markup is pretty unjustifiable. And when I did my calculations I factored in the price of shipping it over east from Perth, or did you miss that part?

As for not buying it? I have 9 bottles of Scorpion's sauces in my fridge, granted I won 6 last night for the competition, Dave knows I love his stuff. I merely used Scorpion's sauce as an example of one that was listed on your website with a huge markup. I am in no way affiliated with him, I just buy his sauces and complain when they are not hot enough, but that is me not him I couldn't even feel the heat off the 7.3 million extract last night, but I figure by that time I had gone numb.

The price of Scorpion's sauces are for him to price, not you. Regardless of whether or not it should be worth $1 or $1,000,000 a bottle, he is the manufacturer, he decides, it is his product not yours. That is why we have RRP, or SRP.

As for ripping people off, you said that not me, I just pointed it out. If you are making false claims about yourself what are we meant to believe? Or are you just really really bad at contradicting yourself?

As for your development in the Australian sauce market, there is not one yet and I doubt there will be. If you do succeed then great, if you don't, that I will not be surprised. I will still always buy my stuff direct.

If we have learnt anything from the political agendas that are promised to us every four years, it is that promises are cheap and worthless until the money is in the hand.

I am not going to mention who I am referring to, because you cannot repair the damage already done. On one hand, I got what I wanted by you replying to me and digging yourself in a deeper hole. On the other hand, I offered you a shitload of knowledge that you can choose to ignore or choose to take on board, I could care less either way.

As for ruining your sunday night, I didn't ruin anything, you ruined it yourself. I never personally attacked you, and I cannot stress this enough, I have no ill-regard feelings to you, on a personal level, what so ever. But I still do not agree with how you run your business, but, with that being said, the fact that the people who I care about hopefully will not make the same mistakes again in regards to buying things from you, then I do not really mind, do what you want, life is too short.

Don't think too much, try and be happy.

 

[chilliman]

I am not going to mention who I am referring to, because you cannot repair the damage already done. On one hand, I got what I wanted by you replying to me and digging yourself in a deeper hole. On the other hand, I offered you a shitload of knowledge that you can choose to ignore or choose to take on board, I could care less either way.

As for ruining your sunday night, I didn't ruin anything, you ruined it yourself. I never personally attacked you, and I cannot stress this enough, I have no ill-regard feelings to you, on a personal level, what so ever. But I still do not agree with how you run your business, but, with that being said, the fact that the people who I care about hopefully will not make the same mistakes again in regards to buying things from you, then I do not really mind, do what you want, life is too short.

Don't think too much, try and be happy.

You are BS artist ! Sorry mate, you have come at me my family and my business with nothing but UNWARRENTED CLAIMS !
I DO NOT EDIT CONTENT AT ALL !! ONLY SPELLING !!!! I did not edit the post agian look at times. MORE BS !

How do you think I feel ?

DAVE is a great bloke and was going to attend his bash, and also donated products to the event!!!
I would love to help make DAVE`s sauce a success ! (not that its not selling well i believe !)

The only other Person I have dealt with in WA is CANDICE so , as said I have offered REFUND! c.chinese scotch bonnett is what she ordered and that is what she got ?? She was unsure of my pictures ?

Buddy your out of people in WA i have dealt with in ANYWAY. ! And I speak to both every other day !

So I KNOW YOUR CLAIM IS UNWARRENTED !

 

[Taj]

There is HEAP of chilli seed companies in Australia champ !

You are not only selling seeds but you are reselling other people's sauces, thus, you are the only person in Australia which is doing this at the moment. Think of yourself as an online bunnings meets coles and has a man baby kind of thing.

To me you seem like an educated guy, probably more than me and probably older and wiser,
For some reason you pick us to pick on tonight , but yet you have come up with a bunch of crap about how I ripped someone off your fond of ? And bad business practise?
I call ABSOLOUTE BS !! I untill you can back your self on open forum BS !
Look around Im not the only one doing this ! I just plan to be the biggest. Jealous maybe I bet you to the punch ?

We have NEVER had a customer dispute ? And would offer any customer that is unhappy a refund and have OFFERED CANDICE here money back !!!!!

As for being educated, never graduated.

As for being older, I am under half your age.

As for being wiser, I think that much, kind sir, is obvious.

It took me a while to figure out who Candice is, and by her you mean Wildfire. Yeah I met her last night at the Chilli comp, she won the Amateur division, I won the Pro division. I havn't had any business dealings with her yet, but she is a nice girl, like yourself, new to the chilli scene. She hasn't got anything I want, apart from some experimental BBQ sauce she made which is an absolute beauty and I really do hope she makes me up a batch.

As for beating me to the punch, I have no intentions of going into competition with you at this stage, who knows what I will do in the future. God, I don't even know what I will do tomorrow, the only thing I am planning on is waking up, if not, then so be it, I will be asleep and won't know or care that I do not wake up.

If I chose to go against you right now, I have one thing you do not have, apart from a greater intellect, better business practices and more contacts, and that is that I have a near unlimited amount of resources (agricultural) at my disposal where you are on a shoe-string budget. But as I said, I am not going against you nor have any intentions to do so.

All I want is to have some bloody hot sauce that doesn't give me cramps, that burns all hell out of me and leaves me begging for more, and I'm happy.

 

[chilliman]

You are BS artist ! Sorry mate, you have come at me my family and my business with nothing but UNWARRENTED CLAIMS !
I DO NOT EDIT CONTENT AT ALL !! ONLY SPELLING !!!! I did not edit the post agian look at times. Another BS claim !

How do you think I feel ?

DAVE is a great bloke and was going to attend his bash, and also donated products to the event!!!
I would love to help make DAVE`s sauce a success ! (not that its not selling well i believe !) And are looking to join forces through agreement to help promote his sauces through my comps !!!!

The only other Person I have dealt with in WA is CANDICE so , as said I have offered REFUND! c.chinese scotch bonnett is what she ordered and that is what she got ?? She was unsure of my pictures ?

Buddy your out of people in WA i have dealt with in ANYWAY. ! And I speak to both every other day !

So I KNOW YOUR CLAIM IS UNWARRENTED !

 

[chilliman]

hahahah... that explains ALOT ! Just a kid .... smart kid mind you

But BS all the same !

 

[Taj]

You are BS artist ! Sorry mate, you have come at me my family and my business with nothing but UNWARRENTED CLAIMS !
I DO NOT EDIT CONTENT AT ALL !! ONLY SPELLING !!!! I did not edit the post agian look at times.

How do you think I feel ?

DAVE is a great bloke and was going to attend his bash, and also donated products to the event!!!
I would love to help make DAVE`s sauce a success ! (not that its not selling well i believe !)

The only other Person I have dealt with in WA is CANDICE so , as said I have offered REFUND! c.chinese scotch bonnett is what she ordered and that is what she got ?? She was unsure of my pictures ?

Buddy your out of people in WA i have dealt with in ANYWAY. ! And I speak to both every other day !

So I KNOW YOUR CLAIM IS UNWARRENTED !

W.A? I never said they were from W.A? I live in W.A, my family comes from Perth and Brisbane, I have friends all over Australia and the world. Come on mate, is that only defense you can come up with is that you have delt with two people from W.A, both of whom are manufacturers, so therefore I must be bullshitting you?

I have not lied about anything tonight, except maybe I bent the truth around the unlimited resource thing as all resources are limited, even solar, the Sun does have a life-span. I for instance cannot get my hands on $100 million, but for what I had in mind when reading your reply I could get my hands on more than I needed.

As for speaking to them both everyday, I sincerely feel sorry for them. Whilst you are keeping me entertained now, I do get bored of things very quick and believe you could possibly start to annoy me in the future.

As for how you feel is totally up to you. If you are feeling bad about this whole subject, then that is perhaps your own head eating away at you, and not me or the thought of me.

 

[Taj]

hahahah... that explains ALOT ! Just a kid .... smart kid mind you

But BS all the same !

I am 24 and for arguments sakes retired.

Yeah, I guess you can call me a smart kid.