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The Grove Pepper Project

I think a little history may be required so you understand why this is important to me. Florida supposedly has a few types of wild peppers. One of them is a monster of a pepper called a Calusa Indian Mound.  It is supposed to get huge. I have never seen one in the wild nor in cultivation. The state of Florida recognizes Tabasco peppers as being a wild pepper down in a couple of counties in South Florida. Again, I've never seen one in the wild. The third one is called a Grove pepper. Growing up in Central Florida in the seventies, we use see them in some of the smaller citrus groves. From my understanding, grove peppers were common throughout most of the groves in Florida. workers would snack on them while working in the hot Florida sun in the groves. As a kid, I got my introduction to hot peppers from these wild grove peppers.The peppers were hot, harsh and would make you feel cooler.
 
Grove Peppers are really hard to find in the wild these days. I personally think that whatever this pepper is, it thrived only in citrus groves. It's not hard to figure out why, all Grove Peppers I saw grew in partial shade. Citrus groves provided this, with the pepper getting some mid morning or mid afternoon sun as well as some high noon sun. I knew a couple of people that grew them in 5 gallon buckets or in large pots.They only did well getting just three or four hours sun in the summer. Many of the grove owners hated the peppers because they felt they robbed a lot of the fertilizer the trees were supposed to have. Once a grove pepper became established, they were hard to get rid of. They grew a big, thick, and long tap root that made them hard to pull up. Nowadays, all groves spray herbicide under their trees that ensure nothing grows under them.
 
I personally think the grove pepper got so common for all those years because the works would snack on the peppers and the seeds would end up where they worked, in the groves. I'm sure the birds spread them to some extent. I was told the blue jays and the scrub jays both loved to eat the peppers. Nowadays, many of the farm and grove workers still snack on hot peppers. The two biggest differences is, they have much better tasting peppers they bring with them to snack on, and any pepper plant they may come up from seed, will never get established before a worker sprays it with herbicide. Until a month ago, I had not seen a grove pepper since the late seventies or very early eighties. I figured they still existed in the wild, but how and where they existed was a mystery to me.
 
A month ago, I spotted what appeared to be a grove pepper in a wooded lot near my house. It was growing in undisturbed soil in a partly shaded area.  None of the peppers were ripe yet, but the plant had the right shape, height and the peppers looked right for it to be a grove pepper. I showed the picture to a few of my friends and they agreed I had probably found a grove pepper. i wanted to go dig it up and move it to my house, but i wasn't sure if the lot belonged to the person next door, and the pepper did look like it had it's lower branches removed. I wasn't sure if someone was taking care of it or if something had bitten off the lower branches. 
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Once I was sure I had a real grove pepper, I went back and took a cutting. all of the branches had a few peppers on them so I could not help but get a few peppers with my cutting. I did taste one and it was how I remembered them. Hot and a little bit of a harsh taste. You won't get any fruity undertones from this one.
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Peppers are easy to root from cuttings. I prepared this one and it's sitting a mix of pine bark fines, peat, and perlite. I will move it to a one gallon pot next and on to a five gallon bucket later. I have a greenhouse, so I will move it into that if it gets cold this winter.
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The original pepper plant seems to be well isolated from any other peppers. I think I should have pure seed from it once some of the pods get ripe. I will collect some and share the seeds later on.
So far, my cutting is doing well and should be well rooted within a month.
 
Pepperdaddler, I got the same week of rain. I had a 5 gallon bucket that was empty last week that had at least 10 inches of water in it a few days ago. I had a few peppers that suffered, but my mix drains really well so i escaped in serious trouble.
I hope your grove pepper bounces back. I would usually give up on one that looks that bad.
 
Capsicum Select said:
I have and I am actually growing a few plants. I knew they are an iconic Florida pepper but wasn't sure if that's where they were really from.
i thought i read somwhere that they where brought by Spanish settlers to St Aug if i read correctly am i Pepperdabbler OR ANYONE FROM FLORIDA WHO WOULD KNOW??
but it has definaly become synonamous with Florida  i have seen it called "FLORIDA DATIL"  in some places
 
very tasty pepper!!!
 
thanks your friend Joe
 
I took a walk this afternoon and found my wild plant leaning at a 45 degree angle. I'm not sure is someone knocked it over or if the bad weather we had last week caused it. Good news is she is undamaged and I found a stake to prop her up with. She's loaded with pods right now.
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I harvested some pods and got quite a few seeds that I have drying right now. As soon as they are ready, I'll be giving them away so stay tuned. Biting into my first ripe Grove pepper since the early 1980's was definitely a flashback to my youth. I'm not good at describing what things taste like, but it's slightly fruity, crunchy but thin walled, and has less heat than a Habanaro. If I had to guess and assuming a average habanaro is around 300,000 scovilles, I would put a grove pepper at 150,000 to 200,000. A good chilihead could definitely snack on them.
 
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I plan on raiding this gal on a regular basis till the frost gets her. I'll have my cuttings growing well by then so she will live forever. :P
 
I harvested a load of seeds from my wild plant. I bagged them up today in lots of 15-20. Anyone in the USA that wants some, just PM me your address and I'll mail you a pack. No need to send a SASE, It's not that expensive to mail a envelope. I will ask that if you have a list of seeds you have to trade, PM it to me and if,you have something I would like to have, then we'll consider it a trade. If you want Grove Pepper seeds and don't have anything to trade, then don't worry about it. I'm happy to gift seeds to anyone who is interested in growing this. If you want to produce this commercially, that's great. I would love to see this wild Florida pepper more widely available.
 
What species is this pepper supposed to be? Looks like your run of the mill c.Frutescens. Anything that sets it apart from a tabasco?
 
Pr0digal_son said:
What species is this pepper supposed to be? Looks like your run of the mill c.Frutescens. Anything that sets it apart from a tabasco?
I think it's a close relation to a Tabasco. It is it's on variety as far as the state of Florida is concerned though. If you want to know what's cool about it, its the history behind it
PepperDaddler said:
Did you get m y PM?
Got it and replied.
 
sharkpepper said:
Wow guys! This forum is a blessing to me after lots of online searching for a childhood memory. I feel like I stepped into a time machine on this one. You are right about the herbicide & none of these peppers are to be found. 
:welcome: to THP!  This is a great site for all things hot pepper and the people here are (usually) kind and generous.
 
sharkpepper said:
Wow guys! This forum is a blessing to me after lots of online searching for a childhood memory. I feel like I stepped into a time machine on this one. You are right about the herbicide & none of these peppers are to be found.
I replied to your PM. I'll mail them soon as you reply.
 
I seeded a place in a old lot next to the train track that cuts our town in half I had a baggy full of mixed chiltepin seeds that I had along with some mexican chile piquin seeds, I didn't expect for any to grow as they were in my closet for several years, anyway I just scratched out a few small holes and threw in some seed and kicked the dirt over them that was 2012 this fall I went to see if any had come up and reseeded itself and to my surprise there was four dead plants that were from this year. they had come up on their own and had reseeds and grown again.  The plants weren't very big but to survive with out any help was great.
I thought how nice it was, to see that my gorilla planting had worked with just some old seeds, the dead plants were full of small mixed pods some looked like chiltepins and other looked like some of the mexican piquins,  I'm hoping to see more plants next year, we don't have any wild plants that grow all year long as the winter kills them out, but a small self sustaining crop would be cool to look at.  
I plan to take a few pics of them and stick them in my 2014 garden grow. If i lived where it was warm during the winter I would go around and stick a few seeds here and there to creat a few wild stands.
 
For those I promised seeds to in the last few weeks, I apologize for the delay in getting to the post office. I have a hundred projects going on and I'm out of stamps. When I go into town tomorrow I'll get them in mail.
One request of all of you, I'm more than happy to gift these seeds. If you wish to offer me some of your seeds, that is great. I may or may not accept some of yours if you have something I want. I've sent out over twenty packs of these seeds so far and only requested seed from four of those people. None of them sent me anything after they said they would.
Sorry if I this is coming off as bitchy. As I stated before, I will happily gift these seeds to anyone. I more than capable of buying my own seeds, but sometimes a trade is beneficial to both party's. People offering me seeds and then not sending them is far worse then not offering them in the first place.
 
If your in need of some seeds, I have quite a few very hot ones, like 7 pot infinity, Red Brain strain and others including a rare wild praetermissum ( I don't have the Name or PI number any more for it) I'm not really looking for a C. frutescens, but would be glad to send you some of my seeds you can PM me if you want some.
 
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