I've seen his talks about gun control. All he's asking for is less assault weapons and more background checks, which are perfectly reasonable things. And what does the US need with our current military budget? I don't think it should be ten percent of what it is now, but if it was half it would still be more than the next three countries put together.
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US Presidential Candidates
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Gun control - We are being duked by the slick talkers. All firearms dealers, no matter where they are selling, must do back ground checks on everyone who they sell a gun to. There is no gun show loop hole. There are no internet mail order guns that bypass the criminal background check. Lawful internet sales are sent to a licensed firearms dealer who does the criminal background check.
Private individuals who are not gun dealers can transfer weapons without doing a criminal background check. I can buy a gun for my wife and give it to her without a criminal background check. That is the so called gun show loop hole. It has nothing to do with being at a gun show. Some people break the law in becoming gun dealers without getting licensed. Enforce the law rather than create a new one.
Oh but enforcing that law, not using the myth of the gun show loop hole, that doesnt provide enough talking points. So they invent an issue that does not exist and ramble on and on.
Assault Weapons - This is another fabrication. Something to talk about. The last serious change to US gun laws completely outlawed the civilian ownership of assault weapons. A grandfather clause was left in for guns already owned and registered before the ban. I think it was 1986. Since then, it has been 100% illegal for a US citizen to purchase an assault weapon made after that date.
So they reinvented the term 'assault weapon' and made it apply to firearms that look like assault weapons. Then they created the first so called assault weapons ban (which did not ban assault weapons btw). It included such issues as bayonet lugs, pistol grips, fore-grips, and other purely cosmetic features. Millions and millions of dollars spent, countless people terrified, lots and lots of votes to make a law which banned things that look scary. Then the law expired.
This is what is wrong with American politics. The politicians are not interested in talking about issues because issues need to be solved (global warming). Instead, they create fake issues, things that do not matter, so they can run their mouths about it and then solve the problem easily because it does not exist, never did, never will.
BTW: Violent crime in the US has been going down steadily. Now should firearms really be at the top of the list of things to address when Nobel award winning scientists are warning that humanity is facing its most dangerous challenge in global warming?
I know we are running out of food, water, energy, and other resources but by god lets outlaw any gun that happens to be black cause them things are scary.
P.S. - I own nothing that anyone could call an assault weapon, nothing black, hate the AR15 thing. My penis is big enough. No use for the damn things. Just think the whole issue is dumb.
Private individuals who are not gun dealers can transfer weapons without doing a criminal background check. I can buy a gun for my wife and give it to her without a criminal background check. That is the so called gun show loop hole. It has nothing to do with being at a gun show. Some people break the law in becoming gun dealers without getting licensed. Enforce the law rather than create a new one.
Oh but enforcing that law, not using the myth of the gun show loop hole, that doesnt provide enough talking points. So they invent an issue that does not exist and ramble on and on.
Assault Weapons - This is another fabrication. Something to talk about. The last serious change to US gun laws completely outlawed the civilian ownership of assault weapons. A grandfather clause was left in for guns already owned and registered before the ban. I think it was 1986. Since then, it has been 100% illegal for a US citizen to purchase an assault weapon made after that date.
So they reinvented the term 'assault weapon' and made it apply to firearms that look like assault weapons. Then they created the first so called assault weapons ban (which did not ban assault weapons btw). It included such issues as bayonet lugs, pistol grips, fore-grips, and other purely cosmetic features. Millions and millions of dollars spent, countless people terrified, lots and lots of votes to make a law which banned things that look scary. Then the law expired.
This is what is wrong with American politics. The politicians are not interested in talking about issues because issues need to be solved (global warming). Instead, they create fake issues, things that do not matter, so they can run their mouths about it and then solve the problem easily because it does not exist, never did, never will.
BTW: Violent crime in the US has been going down steadily. Now should firearms really be at the top of the list of things to address when Nobel award winning scientists are warning that humanity is facing its most dangerous challenge in global warming?
I know we are running out of food, water, energy, and other resources but by god lets outlaw any gun that happens to be black cause them things are scary.
P.S. - I own nothing that anyone could call an assault weapon, nothing black, hate the AR15 thing. My penis is big enough. No use for the damn things. Just think the whole issue is dumb.
Here's the thing, and this is not the 1st time I've brought this up ...
You have two distinct cases, and they are polarizing.
If I lived somewhere remote, where there was a lot of open space between the population, I would want guns to protect myself and my property. No doubt. When nobody can here you scream and all that ...
Now, on the other end, take a metropolis ... it's the opposite. People are on top of one another, and it would be hard to take a shot without significant risk of a stray bullet hitting SOMEONE ELSE ...
This is the problem ...
Rural people want to pass laws which make sense for them, but which fall far short of covering the advanced needs of policing and keeping order in bustling cities.
Social programs and the like, for dealing w/ homeless, drug addiction, tolerance for diversity etc are CRITICAL in tightly packed areas ... and would seem wasteful to someone living in a 1-family/square mile area.
Here's the thing.
America wouldn't be American, w/ a HUGE AND POWERFUL military on the taxes of people living in the sticks, avoiding as much taxation as possible, and participating in the economy as little as possible.
There's no skirting this.
We're powerful for our export which extend far beyond the grain belt in this day and age.
It takes all kinds, and we have to have laws and regulations for ALL KINDS.
I'm tired of hearing people acting like the issues they face apply the same to people in different communities - they don't.
Big cities need programs which would be overkill in small cities.
Small city people needs to do more for themselves and possible need relaxed laws to handle their own shit - rifles, volunteer police and fire etc ...
In my opinion - that's what we've really failed to establish in the modern world.
You have two distinct cases, and they are polarizing.
If I lived somewhere remote, where there was a lot of open space between the population, I would want guns to protect myself and my property. No doubt. When nobody can here you scream and all that ...
Now, on the other end, take a metropolis ... it's the opposite. People are on top of one another, and it would be hard to take a shot without significant risk of a stray bullet hitting SOMEONE ELSE ...
This is the problem ...
Rural people want to pass laws which make sense for them, but which fall far short of covering the advanced needs of policing and keeping order in bustling cities.
Social programs and the like, for dealing w/ homeless, drug addiction, tolerance for diversity etc are CRITICAL in tightly packed areas ... and would seem wasteful to someone living in a 1-family/square mile area.
Here's the thing.
America wouldn't be American, w/ a HUGE AND POWERFUL military on the taxes of people living in the sticks, avoiding as much taxation as possible, and participating in the economy as little as possible.
There's no skirting this.
We're powerful for our export which extend far beyond the grain belt in this day and age.
It takes all kinds, and we have to have laws and regulations for ALL KINDS.
I'm tired of hearing people acting like the issues they face apply the same to people in different communities - they don't.
Big cities need programs which would be overkill in small cities.
Small city people needs to do more for themselves and possible need relaxed laws to handle their own shit - rifles, volunteer police and fire etc ...
In my opinion - that's what we've really failed to establish in the modern world.
Heckle said:
ajdrew said:
With such mild opinions, it is unclear which side of the gun control argument you are on.
and I have more than one. Different strokes... They are relatively inexpensive to shoot, light on recoil and fun. Mine are range toys at this point.
grantmichaels said:
The consequences of taking that shot may be different in those two situations but that has nothing to do with my constitutional right to protect myself and own guns if I choose.
Jeff H said:
People who don't need things need to stop acting like the whole country doesn't need things.
cruzzfish said:
It doesn't matter what he says. He has stated he is a socialist as a member of the Socialist Party of the United States of America. Here is their website: http://socialistparty-usa.net/
This man is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and everyone is acting like he is the second coming. There is a reason the world went to war over Socialism & Communism before. It works great on paper, not in real life.
They want to Mandate the amount of money you can make: "We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes."
They want to tax you on things you already paid taxes on: We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.
They want to extend unemployement benefits beyond what we already have: We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer
They want the government to be a primary factor in economic growth: We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development
They are against ALL weapons, not just assault bans: We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States
They are anti-military: We call for an immediate 50% cut in the military budget, followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites
They want every employee to have fulltime benefits: We call for the same benefits for part-time workers as for full-time workers
They want the maximum hours to be worked 30: We call for a 30 hour work week at no loss of pay, with six weeks annual paid vacation
They strongly support affirmative Action, meaning they are reverse discriminating: We strongly support affirmative action
They want reparations to be paid to generations who have failed on their own accord: We call for reparations from the federal
government for its role in the slave trade and the genocide of Native American nations, with the reparations programs administered by the oppressed communities themselves
They are against making English our official Language: We oppose all efforts to declare English an official language
They want to limit the Social Security benefits you already paid for: We call for a cap on Social Security benefits so that no beneficiary receives more than three times the income of those receiving the minimum
They want to give you paid leave for 16 months after having a child (because that won't be exploited): We call for 16 months paid leave to be shared by new parents or in its entirety by a single parent, and the expansion and full-funding of high-quality child care facilities
They believe that children should call the shots when parenting: We call for the abolition of parent consent and notification laws for reproductive health services, including abortion
We support the rights of minors to be free of any kind of child abuse or neglect whether physical, mental, emotional, or sexual
They want to lecture my children about the many twisted ways to have sex: We call for the right to comprehensive sex education in school that includes birth control methods, STD protection, and information about being GLBTQ
They want to lower the voting age to 15, yeah because everyone at 15 years old is competent: We call for the lowering of the voting age to 15
I would responds with more, but I have run out of time. This is just 1/2 way through his political platform. These are all direct quotes from his platform page (in italics). Yes you can argue that he can't make every single one of these things happen, but why on earth would you support someone that has this idealistic, nonsensical view of what the world should be?
To me the Socialist Party of the USA is a philosophy dreamt up by a lazy 15 year old kid who was bullied too often by some rich military brat with guns.
Because anyone with a lick of intelligence knows that our ACTUAL direction has a ton of inertia and that no candidate or party is able to exert much or any of their will ...
FFS Obama ran on reducing FISA, and then signed into law a zillion things designed to make impossible to even prosecute surveillance overreach ...
I should be a Republican/Conservative by my NATURE ... too bad the party can't keep their fucking religious leanings out of the law, the government, education and women's bodies.
So fast to say "keep government out of my life" ... while so quick to get all up in other people's business.
Everybody sucks.
FFS Obama ran on reducing FISA, and then signed into law a zillion things designed to make impossible to even prosecute surveillance overreach ...
I should be a Republican/Conservative by my NATURE ... too bad the party can't keep their fucking religious leanings out of the law, the government, education and women's bodies.
So fast to say "keep government out of my life" ... while so quick to get all up in other people's business.
Everybody sucks.
grantmichaels said:
+1000
Most of the time I hold my nose and vote. The right is still more palatable to me than the left. I just ignore the religious crap as best I can.
On the other hand, I have been really pleased with the current Ohio Gov. He has made some real changes, actually balanced our budget, and kept religion out of it. I don't know if he has formally announced he is running for Prez yet, but I think it is coming. Kasich may be the breath of fresh air the Republicans need.
False. The United states has a much looser grasp on reality as to what constitutes poor.cruzzfish said:
United States of America Standard of living vs Europe (has to be classified as a whole bc of the euro-economy)
Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/
Most of the poor in the United states have mich better lives in comparison with the European Union.
The only countries thay have better quality of life for "poor" people? Canada, Australia, and Sweden.
This was as of 2013, and our economy has only gotten better since then.
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government
Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia
Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops
Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure
Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property
Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused
Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury
Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment
Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights
Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people
"The good old days"!
Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia
Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops
Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure
Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property
Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused
Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury
Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment
Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights
Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people
"The good old days"!