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Where did the Chocolate Moruga come from?

MulchyDreams

MulchyDreams

So I got a lotta plants this year and have Chocolate Morugas from Dale in Florida and Jim from SoCal as well as Martin from SoCal (VERY GOOD STOCK). It is one type I can't seem to figure out the background on yet it grows nicely. Anyone know who or where the Choc Moruga came from?
 
I don't know but it is one of my favorite peppers for drying and powders.
 
My overwintered plant goes outside today and has a couple dozen flowers already  :dance:
 
MulchyDreams said:
So I got a lotta plants this year and have Chocolate Morugas from Dale in Florida and Jim from SoCal as well as Martin from SoCal (VERY GOOD STOCK). It is one type I can't seem to figure out the background on yet it grows nicely. Anyone know who or where the Choc Moruga came from?
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Judy at pepperlover.com it her pepper
 
My take is, or at least my 1st experience with the brown moruga was from Judys lineage. She specifically referred to hers as brown moruga vs. chocolate moruga, I think too differentiate hers from other sources.
 
I got Judy's Brown Moruga as well. Very good hybrid. Just strange I can't seem to figure out much bout the Choc as this is the first year I've grown it. Just not sure if it's a new gene pool out of trinidad or a variation of the Red.
 
Update-Ok just found out the Chocolate Moruga was a natural variation found in Austrailia by Grant Hustler in 2010. It was found along with the Caramel in a patch of Red Morugas. It was distributed by John Ford who claims it is hotter than the red. It aparently produces more consistent Moruga shaped pods than the Brown from Judy which is another amazing pepper. Case solved..now to grow them out and see.
 
"Natural variation" is a trend lately... it seems that peppers evolution goes faster than anything else LOL
For the vast majority i think they're hybrids. Some pretty good though, Brown Moruga from Judy is a fav.
 
Cya
 
Datil
 
 
Datil said:
"Natural variation" is a trend lately... it seems that peppers evolution goes faster than anything else LOL
For the vast majority i think they're hybrids. Some pretty good though, Brown Moruga from Judy is a fav.
 
Cya
 
Datil
 
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Not sure how to balance these two:  Going to use Puckerbutt's chocolate reaper as an example cause it is perfect for illustrating what I mean.

1 - Read somewhere that bees can cross pollinate over five miles away.  I think it entirely likely many growers think a thing is a natural variant when it is not.  First year I grew Carolina Reaper from Puckerbutt (via Pepper Joe), I got a chocolate.  Did a clever bee get threw their netting?  I could see that.

2 - What does 'stable' really mean?  Some things have been grown for longer than our life times.  Other were created 10 years ago.  I think Puckerbutt has now introduced chocolate reaper seed as a natural variant.  Could there have been hidden genes that eventually showed them selves?  I could ee that.

As far as the origins of the chocolate moruga, we gotta keep in mind it is a relatively new pepper too.  I understand it was created by Wahid Ogeer.  Not sure when, but he is still teaching and very active in politics.

Until we have home DNA kits and a computer to explain it all to us, we dont really know.  But it is fun to speculate.


 
 
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