You know what Grinds my Gears!?!? (in the food biz)

When punk 12 year old kids approach my table and rather asking me 'how hot are my sauce?', but instead 'what are the scolville #'s for your sauce?'
 
Listen punk, if you know all about the term 'scolville', then I should very well assume that you already know that if I tell you the sauce contain, 'Ghost' or 'Scoropion' or 'Habanero' peppers, then you should have a pretty clear understanding of the heat level of each sauce...
 
stop showing off to your parents and/or friends!
 
punk!!  
 
Agghhhhh here comes those kids again!!!!!
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oldsalty said:
Agghhhhh here comes those kids again!!!!!
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great flick.....
 
 
Another:
When you are reach out to get some info about being a vendor at an event, and the person can replies to the first message saying they will get it to you later that day, and then doesn't, over the course of two weeks, while I only sent one reminder......
 
Now I don't know how buys this person is, how many emails this person receives on a given day, but I know, for me, if someone reaches out to me 'wanting to give me money' for whatever reason, that email and/or person becomes a priority and i get them what they need, so i can be paid for it....
 
Gemini Crow Sauce Company said:
It was more of an observation of the kids who are asking me , more than anything...
 
To me, if you already know the term 'Scoville' and can make an assessment on the heat level of the sauce, based on whatever #'s i throw back at you, then I think that these people already have a clear understanding that a moruga scorpion based sauce is most likely gonna be hotter than a franks red hot type sauce....
 
 
When I go to buy a car, I'm not gonna go to the dealer and ask if the car has a 321 re-built engine with four on the florr flux capaciatior yadda yadda....im gonna ask how fast can it go and what kind of gas mileage it gets...
 
my observation was that these kids were showing off to their friends...
 
all in good fun...just annoying...lol
It's impossible to go off based on the peppers in the sauce. I have Jamaican Scotch bonnet sauces way hotter than any of my habanero sauces. Heck it's hotter than some TS Moruga based sauces. I've also made an Assam bhut jolokia sauce that's hotter than any TS Moruga based sauce I've ever tried. I guess my Assams were extremely hot last year. I also used raw peppers rather than cooked, so that also has an impact. I have a hard time eating that sauce to be honest.

Edit: I don't blame any of you for not using scoville. Sounds like a waste of money. Best way to do it is have customers try it out for themselves.
 
Justaguy said:
Considering I have Hab sauces hotter then some ghost sauces I explain to people while the pepper does add the heat, it also adds flavor. So when you try a ghost or scorpion sauce and love the flavor but the heat is lacking you don't need a hotter pepper, just more of it.
That makes a lot of sense. There are tons of things you can do with sauces that lower the heat. I go for taste and heat second.
 
Haha... The answer I give showoffs and punks (since I've never had my sauces scoville tested) is "hotter than you can handle" then they proceed to take a big chug to prove to their friends they can handle it... while sweating and barely able to talk, they usually buy a bottle and ask for water... which I don't keep on hand :)
 
Most people are a lot smarter than that... and ask about all of the sauces from mild to hot and then make an informed decision.
 
Gemini Crow Sauce Company said:
When I go to buy a car, I'm not gonna go to the dealer and ask if the car has a 321 re-built engine with four on the florr flux capaciatior yadda yadda....im gonna ask how fast can it go and what kind of gas mileage it gets...
 
Depending on the car you get, if it's a unique car you're after (muscle car, sports car, etc) you will have already researched these stats.  Chances are you know more than the dealer or salesman does about the car anyway.
 
But if you're looking for something specific, you may inquire about the engine lol.  I bought my last one because it had a 392ci motor with the same transmission as the Viper and a specific fuel pump ;-)
 
I asked the salesman about 100 questions of specifics.  It's my 50k, I want to spend it my way!
 
Gemini Crow Sauce Company said:
When punk 12 year old kids approach my table and rather asking me 'how hot are my sauce?', but instead 'what are the scolville #'s for your sauce?'
 
Listen punk, if you know all about the term 'scolville', then I should very well assume that you already know that if I tell you the sauce contain, 'Ghost' or 'Scoropion' or 'Habanero' peppers, then you should have a pretty clear understanding of the heat level of each sauce...
 
stop showing off to your parents and/or friends!
 
punk!!  
 
So, I had a teenager that wouldn't stop bugging me about this - and when I said "Dude, it doesn't matter - we are a Medium to Medium Hot" he got on his high-horse and said really loud to make a scene "What kind of hot sauce maker are you if you don't even know - you must be new at this".

My wife, who tends the booth with me saw the fire in my eyes... and just shook her head. She knew what was coming.

That is when I broke it down for him, on why scoville units are BS in natural sauces - particularly my sauce. I'll now write my diatribe for everyones benefit -- it went something like this (which is a variation from what I learned in food sciences):

"Well,  if you really want to get technical on this - lets get technical. Capsaicin, otherwise known as methyl vanillyl nonenamide, is a lipophilic chemical; this chemical is what some people like to measure as a "Scoville" unit.
 
It is the physical amount of methyl vanillyl nonenamide is what is being measured when a "scoville" test is performed... the exact number coming from the mechanical measurement of the amount of ethyl vanillyl nonenamide per milliliter of a fluid sample.
 
But while a Scoville measurement will tell you the amount of capsaicin that exists in a product sample, it won't tell you how it will interact given the complete chemical compound and act of oxidation that occurs during injestion.

For instance, In hot sauces that use cider-vinegars as a stabilizer you first have to take into account the components that are called "sweet-bitter tasting hexose acetates". These are important as they first activate, but then nullify the taste buds and receptors in your body that detect  "sour" / "metallic" tastes - which are also the same taste receptors that activate from capsaicin injestion.
 
On top of this first interaction of cider-vinegar, there are many other variables at play that can further keep capsaicin from interacting with those receptors.

In my sauce in particular, I aimed to inhibit and control the process through which capsaicin bonds with receptors by mixing in foods that contain strong anti-oxidants to chemically render those same receptors momentarily inert... for me that was a primary reason for the usage of Maple Syrup. It has the strong anti-oxidant properties needed to render "sour" / "metallic" taste receptors inert for a time, so you taste a dominantly sweet flavor in everything.

Therefore, if I were to pay to test my sauce - it would probably score the same on a scoville test as most any other habanero sauces -- but to most people it would not burn as intense or as long.

This is why scoville units on hot sauce are bullshit, and why you are stupid for even demanding that I have one done and proceeding to cause a scene."


Yeah... I may have had to say this statement a few times... too many times. I should just print it out and hand it to them.
 
Hotmaple said:
 
 
So, I had a teenager that wouldn't stop bugging me about this - and when I said "Dude, it doesn't matter - we are a Medium to Medium Hot" he got on his high-horse and said really loud to make a scene "What kind of hot sauce maker are you if you don't even know - you must be new at this".

My wife, who tends the booth with me saw the fire in my eyes... and just shook her head. She knew what was coming.

That is when I broke it down for him, on why scoville units are BS in natural sauces - particularly my sauce. I'll now write my diatribe for everyones benefit -- it went something like this (which is a variation from what I learned in food sciences):

"Well,  if you really want to get technical on this - lets get technical. Capsaicin, otherwise known as methyl vanillyl nonenamide, is a lipophilic chemical; this chemical is what some people like to measure as a "Scoville" unit.
 
It is the physical amount of methyl vanillyl nonenamide is what is being measured when a "scoville" test is performed... the exact number coming from the mechanical measurement of the amount of ethyl vanillyl nonenamide per milliliter of a fluid sample.
 
But while a Scoville measurement will tell you the amount of capsaicin that exists in a product sample, it won't tell you how it will interact given the complete chemical compound and act of oxidation that occurs during injestion.

For instance, In hot sauces that use cider-vinegars as a stabilizer you first have to take into account the components that are called "sweet-bitter tasting hexose acetates". These are important as they first activate, but then nullify the taste buds and receptors in your body that detect  "sour" / "metallic" tastes - which are also the same taste receptors that activate from capsaicin injestion.
 
On top of this first interaction of cider-vinegar, there are many other variables at play that can further keep capsaicin from interacting with those receptors.

In my sauce in particular, I aimed to inhibit and control the process through which capsaicin bonds with receptors by mixing in foods that contain strong anti-oxidants to chemically render those same receptors momentarily inert... for me that was a primary reason for the usage of Maple Syrup. It has the strong anti-oxidant properties needed to render "sour" / "metallic" taste receptors inert for a time, so you taste a dominantly sweet flavor in everything.

Therefore, if I were to pay to test my sauce - it would probably score the same on a scoville test as most any other habanero sauces -- but to most people it would not burn as intense or as long.

This is why scoville units on hot sauce are bullshit, and why you are stupid for even demanding that I have one done and proceeding to cause a scene."


Yeah... I may have had to say this statement a few times... too many times. I should just print it out and hand it to them.
 
 
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If I could pronounce some of those words properly, I'd memorize this speech...
But that's alot of effort...I'd rather smugly respond and lose the sale....LOL
 
When someone will come to your table, and you say a 'Hello' or 'How are you doing today?', and they don't even acknowledge you back.
 
From a customer standpoint, i get it! By saying 'Hi' back, you are kind of quote/unquote allowing a dialog to be started where I can try and sell you on my product when you may just want to simply browse the table in peace without a sales pitch being sold your way.
 
Well, I set up a table for the sole purpose of trying to sell my product to you.
Be a grown-up, show some common human decency and acknowledge my existence. You can very easily say 'Im just looking' or whatever you want...
 
but to flat out ignore my pleasantry, is not gonna make me any more eager to engage with you, should you finally decide I am worthy of your personal time...
 
We are living in a society! (G. Costanza)
 
Gemini Crow Sauce Company said:
When someone will come to your table, and you say a 'Hello' or 'How are you doing today?', and they don't even acknowledge you back.
 
From a customer standpoint, i get it! By saying 'Hi' back, you are kind of quote/unquote allowing a dialog to be started where I can try and sell you on my product when you may just want to simply browse the table in peace without a sales pitch being sold your way.
 
Well, I set up a table for the sole purpose of trying to sell my product to you.
Be a grown-up, show some common human decency and acknowledge my existence. You can very easily say 'Im just looking' or whatever you want...
 
but to flat out ignore my pleasantry, is not gonna make me any more eager to engage with you, should you finally decide I am worthy of your personal time...
 
We are living in a society! (G. Costanza)
Get used to it.

And it gets worse - sometimes when you engage you get a lot more then you bargain for.

Me: "hi there, how's it going?"
Prospective customer: (((spends next 45 mins telling me exactly how it's going, all negative, without ever trying my products)))

Me: "..."

Sometimes you can be thankful the passer-bye ignored you.

Another example - at the small festival I did in SF a couple weeks back. Doing a tasting for 5 people - one of them was very vocal in his feedback of each sauce, mostly very positive. Gets to the Brown Label. I excitedly inform him that it's my newest sauce and I'm very proud of it - won a 1st place in NY and it's got xyz ingredients.
Customer: "tastes like cheap taco sauce to me."
Me: "uh, I make this stuff you know."
Customer: "just giving you my honest opinion."

He ended up buying 4 bottles, but still - I guess I was raised differently than that. If I don't like a product I sample ill politely say, "I like those others better" or "this one's not for me." - it's ok to dislike a product, but manners are also important.

All that said, get used to it. Society is not polite - people you want to engage don't necessarily care about engaging you. People are brutally, insultingly honest with you.

It's a cruel world and you're putting yourself out in it. Better have thick skin. My $.02
 
Lucky Dog Hot Sauce said:
Get used to it.

And it gets worse - sometimes when you engage you get a lot more then you bargain for.

Me: "hi there, how's it going?"
Prospective customer: (((spends next 45 mins telling me exactly how it's going, all negative, without ever trying my products)))

Me: "..."

Sometimes you can be thankful the passer-bye ignored you.

Another example - at the small festival I did in SF a couple weeks back. Doing a tasting for 5 people - one of them was very vocal in his feedback of each sauce, mostly very positive. Gets to the Brown Label. I excitedly inform him that it's my newest sauce and I'm very proud of it - won a 1st place in NY and it's got xyz ingredients.
Customer: "tastes like cheap taco sauce to me."
Me: "uh, I make this stuff you know."
Customer: "just giving you my honest opinion."

He ended up buying 4 bottles, but still - I guess I was raised differently than that. If I don't like a product I sample ill politely say, "I like those others better" or "this one's not for me." - it's ok to dislike a product, but manners are also important.

All that said, get used to it. Society is not polite - people you want to engage don't necessarily care about engaging you. People are brutally, insultingly honest with you.

It's a cruel world and you're putting yourself out in it. Better have thick skin. My $.02
you can say that again my friend !  ruthless sh!theads !  
 
Hotmaple said:
This is why scoville units on hot sauce are bullshit, and why you are stupid for even demanding that I have one done and proceeding to cause a scene."
Not to mention that everyone has a different level of tolerance from more or less capsaicin in their diet.

So a "Hot" to you might be "Extra Hot" to someone else, or "Mild" to an extreme eater who uses a lot of capsaicin.
;)
 
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