Trent's 2014 Grow Log - COLD COLD COLD

TrentL · Jul 9, 2014

kgetpeppers said:
How did you go about controlling this? Im curious becuase as said im in a similar deal and scared lol

I've been removing any leaves with spots or decay, well away from the garden. Some of the plants are looking kind of bare, but there's still time for them to spring back.

I took some pictures tonight of a couple of different issues I'm having, not sure how to diagnose a couple of them.

will post more when I get them uploaded.
So are these "Sweet Cayenne" ever going to change color??? (Still more pods than plant, on this one.... yeesh)

Finally! Pepper color. This is a "Large Cayenne" - got seeds from Judy.

This is what usually happens to my Cayenne. Rot before ripen. So far I've only lost a couple pods to it this year. They seem to love the massive amounts of rain and high temps we've been getting.

Early Jalapenos

Black Jalapenos doing about the same.

Giant Jalapenos not living up to their name. Maybe it's because I keep eating them before they get big???

Pimenta de Neyde. These plants are pretty.

Been picking off HUNDREDS of leaves with bacteria or fungus spots (not sure which) on them. This pubescense is getting hit now by it. Hadn't shown any problems until this week. (Giant mexican rocoto)

Same plant different leaves. I just pruned it a couple days ago - taken a couple dozen leaves off of this one plant so far this week. ALL of the plants in that corner of the garden got this crap.

Chili de abrol, other half of that afflicted row, are doing great. Annuums seem to be immune to every damn thing.

Dat's 10!

tctenten · Jul 9, 2014

Bump? Everything looks great!
My cayenne look just like yours, waiting patiently for them to ripen.

TrentL · Jul 9, 2014

This is one of the worst of the Chinense. It's dropped a large amount of leaves, and I've pruned more. The leaves that aren't affected by the bacteria/mold/virus (whatever, unknown) are cupped and misshapen.

I've seen pics like this on the board before but I can't recall the cause. Nutrient issue? Mites, maybe?

Here's another problem child. Overwinter from last year. Got hit by herbicide hard. Purplish/dark brown spots/streaks on the stem, purplish/dark brown spots on the leaves.

Same plant, wider angle. I have 4 of the overwinters doing this, total. This is the worst of them. I segregated that one from the rest, a ways.

Same plant, fruit. This is what that herbicide did to my poor pepper plants. Remember I posted a picture of the "ultra-mega-super-node" a month ago, with 20-something flower buds all clustered together? This is what happens if you miss pruning one of those.

It's like something out of a horror movie. A couple of those pods are "triplets" - 3 pods, one stem. Some are double. Hard to count the damn things.

Another angle of the "Supernode":

Top down view of the Supernode.

(This is a Naga Morich, BTW).

After pruning some of the damaged leaves off;

Now on to more "good news."

Tazmanian Habanero overwinter is flourishing.

So is this bhut jolokia overwinter.

And this guy... well, this overwinter just makes my butt hurt, thinking about it. Looks like it's putting on some nasty, gnarly pods again this year.

that's 10 again!

Thanks for the bump.

TrentL · Jul 10, 2014

Oh you dirty bastard.

Moving on to some "new troopers". These are extras I potted up to 5gal cloth bags.

Mako Akokosade

More pest problems. Evidently something likes to eat Naga Morich. Probably the same guy eating the tomatoes.

These Bhut Jolokia Indian carbons are a bit bumpy. I bet they're gonna be HOT.

When the garden got hit with herbicide on the breeze, the spares were intentionally left alone so I could compare them against the dirt plants. (Eventually the dirt plants will outpace them, obviously being contained in a 5 gal paper pot isn't going to let them grow to potential).

Which is why I became somewhat amazed at them. Not using root stimulant or pruning back to check the growth, the plants became MONSTROUS. The stem on this one is thicker in diameter than my thumb, while some of the leaves are as big or bigger than my hand.

Maybe this means they'll produce equally ginormous pods?

Time will tell. This 7-pod barrackpore is doing well.

So is this 7-pod chauganas

This pimento de neyde is growing pods in all sorts of crazy directions. I think it has ADHD.

This 7-pod original is podding up like crazy too. These cloth bags are working out better than plastic pots. None of my potted plants did this well, this fast last year.

The rock garden peppers are doing good. I lost one from a branch that fell off of a tree, but the rest are growing large and all have pods now.

The thing is, they get so much shade, the leaves grow ENORMOUS. This Yellow Brain Strain has taken a bit of storm damage (assuming from heavy rain) but it's trucking right along.

kgetpeppers · Jul 10, 2014

OK so the pictures with the spots definately looks like Bacterial leaf spot or w.e and exactly looks like my plants, mostly my annuums are affected and its in one damn side of the garden but some other plants showing just like one or two spots, the affected plants are starting to drop one by one becuase i didnt prune em fast enough, im hoping the ones i pruned leaves off will survive. Lots 3 of my plants I really wanted to produce, pequin and tepin/charapita

idk what else to do besides pray and keep picking any new leaves that are bad off

TrentL · Jul 10, 2014

Which one?

This one?

Or this one?

I've been plucking off affected leaves daily and removing ones that have fallen off from the garden. Some of the plants are getting pretty bare, but better than letting the shit steamroll my entire garden.

Haven't lost any to it yet.

Been reading through this... if you want to get paranoid about all the nasty stuff that can happen to your pepper plants.. yeesh.

http://203.64.245.61/fulltext_pdf/EB/1900-2000/eb0068.pdf

Wish it was in color.

Here's a field ident guide in color:

http://www.seminis.com/global/us/growerresources/documents/sem-12095_pepperdiseases_8p5x11_072313.pdf

Looks like that first pic I posted (hitting the plants in the northeast corner of my garden) is Frogeye.

TrentL · Jul 10, 2014

Long range forecast in the 70's here for next week??? Ooh my. Looking forward to that.

TrentL · Jul 10, 2014

Damnit. I have about a half dozen plants showing signs of fresh 2,4-D damage again. Both of the PDF's I posted in #466 confirm that diagnosis again. The nearby farmers must have sprayed again.

I don't know what disease the second pic shows in #466, but it's more worrysome than the frogeye OR the 2,4-D, because tonight I found that same pattern on 4 more overwinters. Those 4 I discovered it on tonight had been transplanted a month and a half ago in to fresh slow release potting soil, so that rules out micro or macro nutrient issues. Whatever it is must be transferrable by insect or human (my hands), because I also found it on two in-the-dirt plants as well.....

That second disease has me a bit nervous because the plants that disease started on are stunted and 100% stalled out. Maybe I should have ditched them instead of trying to hold on to them...

Fertilized the dirt batch tonight w/ heavy duty liquid fertilizer. Plants were getting pale. It's been raining so often I didn't see much point in wasting the fertilizer just to have it run off. Ground is still saturated so I tried not to put TOO much water on them, but had to give them a shot in the arm....

kgetpeppers · Jul 10, 2014

I guess it would be the top frog eye one. Its slaying my a nuums. I pulled two just for safe measure ome was super bare but was spreading fast

Runescape · Jul 10, 2014

TrentL said:
half dozen plants showing signs of fresh 2,4-D damage again.

Oh, fuck...

Pod pics are awesome btw...

TrentL · Jul 11, 2014

kgetpeppers said:
I guess it would be the top frog eye one. Its slaying my a nuums. I pulled two just for safe measure ome was super bare but was spreading fast

Dude I'm playing the Evil Butcher role on any leaves I find with spots. I'm relentless.

Why?

My plants in each row are touching each other and the rows are DAMN near growing together now.

If I don't get a handle on this shit *right now* it's going to spread like wildfire in a week.

Runescape said:
Oh, f**k...

Pod pics are awesome btw...

Yeah again. With all the rain we got, it's no doubt another neighbor or farmer must have sprayed that crap again on the first dry spell we get in a month and a half.

I'm hoping they are far enough along now they will cope with it. Problem is there's a LOT more leaf surface area now to catch crap on the breeze, than there was a month and a half ago....

And just think. We get to breathe that shit in all the time and we never know.

Can't be good for us.

TrentL · Jul 11, 2014

To the deer that ate 1/2 of my really nice moruga scorpion overwinter this morning... you've been warned, pal.

(Fresh tracks next to the plant confirmed the pest....)

Devv · Jul 11, 2014

Dang it Trent, you seem to be having a tough year. I bet you want to house your garden in a giant bubble.

kgetpeppers · Jul 11, 2014

Trent have you used any copper or other bactericidal or fungal products? wondering if I should try one.

millworkman · Jul 11, 2014

Good luck with the overspray Trent. Hopefully they have enough root structure to keep up.

randyp · Jul 11, 2014

Hang in there Trent,my problem last year was white fly taking over starting with the toms.You have been doing a good job trying to stay on top of things.

TrentL · Jul 11, 2014

Devv said:
Dang it Trent, you seem to be having a tough year. I bet you want to house your garden in a giant bubble.

Overall it's actually a really good year, with a few isolated problems. My plants are setting up to go nuts soon, but a few are worrying me.
Even the one that had the 9" wide tree branch fall on it in the rock garden is somehow coming back again.

Oh!!! The BEES ARE BACK!!!!!! For the first time this year I saw bees in the garden, and not just one, or two; but a whole frigging swarm of the buggers crawling over my Cucumbers. FINALLY they'll quit dropping flowers and start making fruit!!!

kgetpeppers said:
Trent have you used any copper or other bactericidal or fungal products? wondering if I should try one.

If your problem is bad, definitely try. Quite a few of those conditions resolve themselves when the weather dries back out; but if it's got a strong foothold, or bacterial, or it's a type of fungus that once it sets in doesn't go away, definitely break out the copper spray.

I'm *about* to get to that point on my tomatoes. I can't prune any more off without doing irreperable harm. Everything under the 2' mark has been cut off at this point, and I keep finding isolated spots of Septoria. My neighbor is in far worse shape - he didn't prune, and he's lost ALL of his tomato plants now to septoria.

millworkman said:
Good luck with the overspray Trent. Hopefully they have enough root structure to keep up.

I think they'll be fine. I did hit the worst of them them with root stimulant (same stuff people use to do clones of cuttings, just a little more diluted). So they've assuredly got some monster root systems now; that root stimulant stopped them in their tracks for a couple of weeks and now they're going CRAZY with big growth. That meant something real good was happening underground.

I'm kind of excited about it; they didn't get MUCH this time; and the plants are much bigger (most over 3' tall now) - just a few leaves with the jagged midspine vein. I'm thinking it'll kick them in to overdrive right at the proper time.

randyp said:
Hang in there Trent,my problem last year was white fly taking over starting with the toms.You have been doing a good job trying to stay on top of things.

Well, I pamper my peppers. The rest... not so much. My onions are overgrown with weeds, my beans need cleaned out (got fungus problems in there too), etc. So don't think for one minute that I've got a showcase garden. I pick the angles I take pictures from with purpose.

There's a certain logic behind it too. I have X number of hours I can work in the garden. And I can buy those other veggies if I screw up a row of beans, or a few mater plants, or onions.

Can't exactly go to the supermarket and buy 60 varieties of ultrahots though.

Slizarus · Jul 12, 2014

I feel you, I definitely baby my peppers over more accessible plants

Awesome pods!

TrentL · Jul 12, 2014

Oooh !!! I got a care package from Tejas!!!

If you get time... to ID the unlabeled ones Devv?

Gonna be HOT tonight lol. Mouth watering... nomnomnom.

I brought these in tonight; spent 2 hours picking frigging beans... somewhere in that bag is the first wave of Jalapenos - gonna make poppers later tonight (when my back finally quits spasming...ugh)

My wife said "I'm sooo sick of snapping beans"... I said "I'm soooo sick of standing outside for two hours in 100F heat index bent over with my back killing me being eaten alive by spiders and mosquitos while picking beans so you can sit in the air conditioning in a nice chair for a half hour snapping them."

(Obviously she's not speaking to me now lol)

maximumcapsicum · Jul 12, 2014

Just got caught up. Garden is looking great man. You're quite fastiduous... I got a bunch of little spots on a bunch of my plants. I just kind of let 'em fly unless they seem to be hindering the plant. Hard to tell what is the result of insect meddling and what is a legit problem. The only plant I am really sure is having disease issues is the datil, which is a shame because the pods are amazing.

Anyway, keep the pics coming! Enjoying the shots of your garden. Looks like you're coming through the herbicide storm.