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Bought this at the local farmer's market.  Among other carolina reapers (which I presume to have been the real deal), this gal was labelled "chocolate reaper".  The pods have been hanging out for soooooo long, but haven't yet changed colors.  They don't quite have that freaky stinger, but they are otherwise super gnarly.  Maybe a cross between a real choco reaper and something else?  Or a red reaper and something chocolate?
 
I did end up trying an unripe pod -- intensely hot, but kind of a weird, soapy flavor.  (Haven't used any dishsoap on the leaves.)
 

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sirex said:
The old chocolate primo switcheroo ;)

Great looking plant beavers. Sure to bring plenty of heat!
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Thanks!  Indeed, I'm a wee bit frightened for when they're truly ripe.  Is that . . . normal?  To be terrified, yet eager to do it still?  lol
 
And speaking of which, one single pod has finally started darkening!!!
 

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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
So is the only difference between carolina reaper pepper and trinidad moruga scorpion pepper the the tail issue? Appearance wise, not taste or heat differences. 
 
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I would say not.
 
I have never tried nor grown a Chocolate Reaper, but the Brown Moruga I grew and tried (which looked remarkably like the pic ShowMeDaSauce posted) tasted like battery acid. I am not saying they are not Chocolate Reapers, however.
 
From the pics I have seen of Chocolate Reapers, they appear to not have the deep, rounded lobes that the Brown Moruga exhibits. And yes, the tail seems more pronounced on the Reaper.
 
But actually, with all the cross-breeding going on in the hot pepper community, it is hard to say what is really what.
 
 
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alkhall said:
But actually, with all the cross-breeding going on in the hot pepper community, it is hard to say what is really what.
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Not just intentional crosses but growers not isolating their plants and saving seeds from these potential unintentional crosses and merrily growing/sending the seeds then showing up @ the Pepper ID forum asking - "What is this?"...
 
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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
 
Not just intentional crosses but growers not isolating their plants and saving seeds from these potential unintentional crosses and merrily growing/sending the seeds then showing up @ the Pepper ID forum asking - "What is this?"...
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This feels very confounding to me as a newb, and almost makes me not want to save any seeds from what I've grown this year.  Everything I'm currently growing -- santaka, habs, bhuts, and this reaper-ish thing -- have been growing directly next to each other, leaves touching and all.  I suppose I could still save them, and just keep it duly and firmly in mind that the next crop may come out with different phenotypes.
 
Are any folks here abandoning seeds due to the likelihood of cross-pollination?
 
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alkhall said:
I have never tried nor grown a Chocolate Reaper, but the Brown Moruga I grew and tried (which looked remarkably like the pic ShowMeDaSauce posted) tasted like battery acid.
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Funny, reading this I immediately thought, "Thaaat's what these peppers taste like.  Battery acid!"
 
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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
Not just intentional crosses but growers not isolating their plants and saving seeds from these potential unintentional crosses and merrily growing/sending the seeds then showing up @ the Pepper ID forum asking - "What is this?"...
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beavers said:
This feels very confounding to me as a newb, and almost makes me not want to save any seeds from what I've grown this year.  Everything I'm currently growing -- santaka, habs, bhuts, and this reaper-ish thing -- have been growing directly next to each other, leaves touching and all.  I suppose I could still save them, and just keep it duly and firmly in mind that the next crop may come out with different phenotypes.
 
Are any folks here abandoning seeds due to the likelihood of cross-pollination?
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I did not intend to confuse, my intention is to inform. Pepper pollination is not complex.... 
 
Basically the open flower contains both the anther (male) and stigma (female)....see pic below.... to accomplish self fertilization and produce fruit with seeds. The issue is this open flower is susceptible to the pollen from  another peppers flower anthers fertilizing it..
 
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The result of this is the immature seeds (ovules) that form in the ovary have become F1 crossed seeds when pod ripens. 
 
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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
I did not intend to confuse, my intention is to inform. Pepper pollination is not complex....
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Oh, not at all.  Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was bad advice, just that cross-pollination had already been an issue that was on my mind.
 
I love the idea of saving seeds and growing the same peppers again and again, but I want to avoid having the phenotypes "wandering" after a few generations.  Unfortunately I don't have a ton of space to be separating plants sufficiently to ensure no cross pollination is happening.  So I guess it leaves me a choice -- either accept it and just see what weird and fun stuff grows, or buy new seeds each year from a reputable source.
 
At the end of the day, it will probably be a bit of both.
 
(Actually, a kind and generous soul has already sent me a really great assortment of seeds to get me rolling -- huge thanks to you-know-who-you-are!!!)
 
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beavers said:
Oh, not at all.  Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was bad advice, just that cross-pollination had already been an issue that was on my mind.
 
I love the idea of saving seeds and growing the same peppers again and again, but I want to avoid having the phenotypes "wandering" after a few generations.  Unfortunately I don't have a ton of space to be separating plants sufficiently to ensure no cross pollination is happening.  So I guess it leaves me a choice -- either accept it and just see what weird and fun stuff grows, or buy new seeds each year from a reputable source.
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Separation is one way, another can be found by clicking here.> THP-Preventing cross-pollination of hot peppers using isolation techniques
 
.The "bags to cover the flowers/plants below:

Produce Bags
Organza Bags
1 gal. Elastic Top Strainer
 
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beavers said:
Has anyone here actually tried this?
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Things a bit slow around here (Read that as you won't get many replies.). IMO the best way is to use the "Search" box in the top right corner of the forum that would best return relevant results, in this case Growing Hot Peppers, and use one word (multi-word searches turn up many irrelevant results.) I used "glue" which near the top had.>Isolating flowers using glue...
 
I often thought of trying this method but never did as I read there was a lot of flower drop. We all know flower drop happens naturally so I haven't a clue if this was the issue.
 
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