Oh, I understand a bit better.
But I'm not clear on how this ties to Extreme membership. I'm new here - just got into hot chilis this spring- but I have 21 species now - and am seriously thinking of moving in this direction in a business sense too. Might be YEARS before I can turn a dime and deliver 100% great product- might be less heh, BUT I was okay with the extreme membership, I am also okay with pay to be a member and sell in the classifieds. I'm guessing Cayenneman is saying - "hey, I'm putting up VALUABLE information for free, but I have to PAY to see other stuff here at THP" - I can understand that position.
Where is the forum that pays US to post ! lol -
But I can understand THP seeking new revenue services too.
I think what might make MORE sense for THP is to skip the 'paid' membership -because CayenneMan has an okay argument I think, if he's putting out valuable information for free- and his time on his dime ? Why should he have to pay to see other information. BUT it is his choice to post, and it would be THP in the end that would have to say- gee, no one posts anymore, maybe we better cut the class system here.
I think THP MIGHT be better off simply charging for classified insertion - like Ebay. I'd pay- and I'd accept paying.
I am not so sure I'll get anything by paying to be an extreme member either. I CAN use information for distribution resources etc, but I'm pretty resourceful myself, heck - someone came in saying they were going to BUY a worm far for $150 - I have $1 in checking, in ONE DAY- I researched what kind of worms- how to build- and in ONE DAY I had a worm farm - the other day, SURE it took 8 hours of reading and 4 hours of digging for red wigglers- but I almost set up a page to even sell my worms on one of my sites too- all in one day, so Extreme membership probably won't offer me MUCH - but I'll PROBABLY pay just to see what i'm missing.
Information is valuable - Cayenne has a point - AND THP has a point to charge for valuable commercial related information.
I understand BOTH points of view here THP Cayenne- and I bet BOTH - including myself - would like to see some common solution that makes everyone happy.
Probably a good time to start a thread on just how to on one hand respect that people DO offer up a LOT of valuable information here for free- AND on the other hand - might be asked to PAY for access to other valuable information on THP.
I JUST realized- is NHPL ? national Hot Pepper League - hahaha if so - that's killer.
I LOVE challenges - this is a fun challenge on how to bring mutual respect to honoring Cayenneman's sharing of valuable information - AND THP wishing to increase revenue to likely help pay for hosting etc.
I ALWAYS hate when I need medical info and it's $65 to download this paper...
I kind of agree - information should be free- BUT corporate IT lawyers exist - in a perfect world ? I don't even support patents.
I would much rather see the collective of humanity function as one -but we'd need a global media share like the internet to enable THAT to start happening, and I think any chance of an internet is probably 50 years away
I'm going to bet the $1 in my checking account that Cayenneman supports wikileaks.
Then again, the reason I only HAVE $1 is because I am a compulsive gambler and keep making bets.
I love the word Vermi- lol
BUT hey- 5 years down the road ? I'll run into someone - maybe an Intellectual Property lawyer making $180k a year- just WAITING to rub it in - and they'll go what do I do- and I'll say- "oh, like in the movie Dumb and Dumber ? I have a worm farm"
They'll get smug
I'll get smugger and tag line it with - I pull in about $380k a year- nice to see you - I'm off to hit every aisle and buy just about any damned product I want here without worrying about the price.
Ok - so maybe I have self esteem issues where I derive self worth by how much money I or others make -
BUT - VERMI ____ <- fill in the blank - my GOD - $20 for 1 POUND of Wigglers ? $20 for 10 pounds of worm castings ? $20 for 1 16 oz bottle of worm farm runoff (juice) ?
BIG BIG MONEY in worms - no kidding.
SOOOOOOO- if I had to put MY two cents into what I've learned about in the last few days ?
CayenneMan ? has offered up information that can help you make far far far FAR FAR more money in worms than peppers.
Unfortunately- I came in at 8:30 PM to see- HAHAHAHAHA and the data was removed at 8 PM - HAHAHA- wait- that's not so funny- in other words- BY STRANGE CHANCE ? I never got to SEE what Cayenneman had up.
AGAIN though, I am resourceful - no 'formal' job ? lands me PLENTY of time to educate and resource- and that I do !
So - I WILL become a VERMIMASTER !
A Knight of the Vermicular Order !
hmm- hahahah I can't resist - that would be a KNIGHT CRAWLER - hahahaha
ok I don't get out much and maybe my humor isn't that funny.
But I said to my wife after she came out and helped me dig up red wigglers - it was like we were 5 years old again - Everyone met their wife at 5 RIGHT ? (jk), was like kids "I GOT ONE - TOUCH IT" lots of wiggling AND GIGGLING - but I said to my wife later - who got me to finally watch Dumb and Dumber - and I DO SAY it's a classic for me now - I said "honey, I pulled a dumb and dumberer move" "oh yeah, what's that ?" "I realized the truth that the business ambition they had to grow worms ? is ACTUALLY A DAMNED GOOD IDEA"
Worms are the SH*T in horticulture now - well castings and juice.
Actually, the SH*T in horticulture IS SH*T - RABBIT MANURE that is -
But - get this - SOME PLACES FEED THEIR WORMS RABBIT PELLETS ! THAT sounds like a WIN WIN.
Maybe if I got some rabbits and gave them worms- jk jk - no - not THAT kind of worms !
But - somewhere in the middle between rabbit crap and worms is my future.
hmmm- doesn't sound so pretty worded that way
But hey- 380k a year ain't bad !
I DO HOPE Cayenneman decides to still share their information - BUT I DO RESPECT their POV - AND I RESPECT THP's position to offer exclusive membership services too.
ME ?
What I would do ?
Is say $10 LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP - access to all.
Now, say THP gets 10,000 members ? that's $100k
that should be fine.
Say they get 100,000 members - that's 1 million
I'd pay $10 for a lifetime membership.
ONCE IN - access to all -
AND you know what ?
It would keep out the RIFF RAFF- those THIEVES who come in and SPAM with "I HAVE A RARE PEPPER- buy seeds now - CASH ONLY ! MUST BE IMMEDIATE BANK TRANSFER" whatever.
In fact- ANY member of THP ? I BET would PAY $10 EASILY for lifetime memerbship.
PROBLEM SOLVED
SEE ? I LOVE CHALLENGES
but I LOVE SOLVING THEM MORE
$10 to POST perhaps !
THERE YOU GO
And charge $0.02 a minute for CHAT - JK JK JK on that !
Hey- 185 IQ doesn't suck so bad sometimes !
But then again -wait- just thought of the effects of the thermohaline belt stopping - nope- yes it can suck.
Hundreds of millions in Europe will die as a result.
The natural gas pipeline coming out of Turkmenistan just cant' keep them warm.