ChilliCrosser Crosses

PaulG · Mar 9, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
Just finished the latest stock check on #stripeystarfish F2 seedling count. Current total = +2
Now do I start seeds from the Plant 3 NotSo #stripeystarfish harvested pods

Driving yourself to madness, I see!

ChilliCrosser · Mar 9, 2022

Now I know what the end result is on X034 F1 I can look at unripe pods in a more informed way.

When these type of markings first appeared on the first stage of unripe pod, I thought it was just some growth pattern inconsistency showing in the anthocyanin. Now I know this is what will become a stripe as the pod ripens through the various colours. So even when the pod has first formed, if it has enough light exposure to get an anthocyanin response it looks like the striping will be revealed.

Too interesting!

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ChilliCrosser · Mar 10, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
First opening flower on X037 F1 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Baccatum) x Pimenta De Neyde (C.Chinense).

Observations so far:

Baccatum calyx

Purple stigma & anthers from the Chinense

Can't see any obvious corolla markings yet but will wait until the flower is fully open

Stems and foliage were much darker but this plant has been under lower powered lights recently. Might move it into my main grow tent now it's flowering. It's just in a double-cup in coco at the moment.

Confirmed no corolla markings

ChilliCrosser · Mar 11, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
Confirmed no corolla markings

But some other opening flowers have developed markings on the reverse

ChilliCrosser · Mar 13, 2022

Can't ask for more than this, the two F2 seeds taken from the first ripe pod from X034 F1 Plant 2 (Sugar Rush Stripey x Pimenta De Neyde).
Put them into test germ on 28th Feb'22, 13 days later both are emerging :party:

Always a good start on interspecific crosses.

Awwww, dilemma time. Lots more ripe pods on the plant to harvest, some striped, but a couple of other pepper plants on the go this year already :think:

There's always more room, right?

ChilliCrosser · Mar 16, 2022

Off to the races, looks like first fruit set.
X037 F1 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Baccatum) x Pimenta De Neyde (C.Chinense)

Bou · Mar 16, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
Can't ask for more than this, the two F2 seeds taken from the first ripe pod from X034 F1 Plant 2 (Sugar Rush Stripey x Pimenta De Neyde).
Put them into test germ on 28th Feb'22, 13 days later both are emerging Always a good start on interspecific crosses.

Awwww, dilemma time. Lots more ripe pods on the plant to harvest, some striped, but a couple of other pepper plants on the go this year already There's always more room, right?

More room needed; just make it happen!!

ChilliCrosser · Mar 17, 2022

Should be fully ripe in the next week, best looking pod on this plant at the moment. I'm still not aware of another cross or cultivar that has visible stripes when unripe and ripe, have I missed one that's out there somewhere?

ChilliCrosser · Mar 17, 2022

It wouldn't be an X011 plant (Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo) if I didn't get yet another different pod shape appear :lol:

An F3 plant from my Apricot Peach line, not seen a pod of this shape on any of the previous plants at any generation on any line.
I know this will go to the apricot peach colour as I've already had a couple of small runt pods from the plant.

ahayastani · Mar 17, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
I'm still not aware of another cross or cultivar that has visible stripes when unripe and ripe, have I missed one that's out there somewhere?

Just yesterday I was checking my SRP Stripey plant which recently has developed a few pods. One pod has a reasonable size and I think the stripes are already visible when unripe. The colour difference, however, is small. In your unripe pods, the colour difference between the pepper skin and the stripes is considerably bigger.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 17, 2022

ahayastani said:
Just yesterday I was checking my SRP Stripey plant which recently has developed a few pods. One pod has a reasonable size and I think the stripes are already visible when unripe. The colour difference, however, is small. In your unripe pods, the colour difference between the pepper skin and the stripes is considerably bigger.

I'm also banking on that for my big #stripeystarfish F2 grow out. My expectation is I should be able to find some other good colour combinations and those could have reveals at different stages.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 17, 2022

I have the orange based line on #stripeystarfish that has unripe F1 pods also, will be interested to see where that goes as it ripens.

PaulG · Mar 17, 2022

The X011 pod is awesome. Can't wait to see it ripe. Awesome shape.

thoroughburro · Mar 17, 2022

To call back briefly to my wondering if the stripes could actually be a sort of controlled chimerism, being rendered heritable by a genetic mechanism which reliable induces the necessary mutations.

These contain a lot of jargon I don’t understand, but I think this resource and this slightly less obtuse resource indicate that the usual white-and-green variegation is somewhat similar to that already. The white and green materials are, in fact, of different genotypes (or the same genotype with different parts suppressed?) mutating into and out of each other via a delicately balanced genetic mechanism. It sounds horribly complex, but it seems feasible something similar could be happening but for chimeric stripes.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 18, 2022

Subset of the #stripeystarfish F2 seedlings, gradually taking off.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 20, 2022

X034 (Sugar Rush Stripey x Pimenta De Neyde), the F1s are continuing to be interesting. Key observations:

3 F1s grown, all with seeds from the same source F0 pod
All F1 plants exhibiting dark stems, dark foliage, Baccatum calyx, mixed species flower (Baccatum corolla markings, Chinense purple stigma/anthers)
Plant 2 giving red pods with occasional peach striping, as per lots of pictures I've posted. This plant is in a mini-DWC in a tent. EDIT: and it has an amazing colour change sequence before red :-)
Plants 1 & 3 are sharing an Aerogarden Bounty system in a different location. They've struggled to set fruit, probably something environmental related to where they are and potentially the nutrient mix.
I have managed to get a single pod from Plant 1, this was as a result of a manual cross pollination attempt back in Jan'22. More details on pod below.
Plants 1 & 3 now severely pruned and attempting to make them have another flowering cycle

The single pod that I forced from Plant 1 initially exhibited a strong anthocyanin response as shown here in Feb'22. That's consistent with Plant 2 also.

Eventually though, rather than ripening to red like Plant 2, it's ended up peach.

heat level similar to PDN, versus 60-70% for the red pods
no salty hint in the flavour, unlike the red pods and the PDN, definitely Chinense though
very crunchy, juicy and oily

Glad I followed my normal instincts and grew more than a single F1 when doing interspecific crosses. Now to get Plant 1 and Plant 3 fruiting normally, I'm sure they are self-fertile as the flowers looked fine and plenty of pollen. Plant 3 has the best looking flowers overall due to more exaggerated Baccatum corolla markings.

All F1s give similar results? Not always on interspecific crosses from my experience.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 21, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
It wouldn't be an X011 plant (Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo) if I didn't get yet another different pod shape appear
An F3 plant from my Apricot Peach line, not seen a pod of this shape on any of the previous plants at any generation on any line.
I know this will go to the apricot peach colour as I've already had a couple of small runt pods from the plant.

Some colour now arriving on this F3 plant, nothing on the nicest shaped pod yet.

Bou · Mar 21, 2022

ChilliCrosser said:
Glad I followed my normal instincts and grew more than a single F1 when doing interspecific crosses. Now to get Plant 1 and Plant 3 fruiting normally, I'm sure they are self-fertile as the flowers looked fine and plenty of pollen. Plant 3 has the best looking flowers overall due to more exaggerated Baccatum corolla markings.

All F1s give similar results? Not always on interspecific crosses from my experience.

Do you know the current generation of your SR stripey seed stock? I believe they might still be unstable and this could also explain the differences between your F1 plants... or maybe not!

Alex_K · Mar 21, 2022

I don't know much about crosses but it is very interesting to see how Pimenta da Neyde was used in so many crosses that resulted in varieties with incredible colors.

ChilliCrosser · Mar 22, 2022

Bou said:
Do you know the current generation of your SR stripey seed stock? I believe they might still be unstable and this could also explain the differences between your F1 plants... or maybe not!

That's a fair point. They are still unstable or at least can occasionally result in fully red pods, one of the reasons I used multiple parent plants of them in my Stripey Starfish project. I don't know the generation of my original seeds, nothing marked on them. I suspect the ability to result in fully red pods is part of the equation.

Alex_K said:
I don't know much about crosses but it is very interesting to see how Pimenta da Neyde was used in so many crosses that resulted in varieties with incredible colors.

Yes, it's been used for many years to get colourful results. I've generally avoided PDN in my crosses as there are so many of them around already. Last year I felt I should at least use it for a couple of projects to get more practical experience with its traits when crossing. I now have two projects started using PDN, one with Sugar Rush Stripey and another using Brazilian Starfish Yellow.

*ChilliCrosser Cross*	*Current Status*
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)	16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)	16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)	16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)	16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.