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ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞 🌱 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)❌16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🤩🌱🌶️16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)⭐🌱🌶️16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🤞16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.



A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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Bou

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That's a fair point. They are still unstable or at least can occasionally result in fully red pods, one of the reasons I used multiple parent plants of them in my Stripey Starfish project. I don't know the generation of my original seeds, nothing marked on them. I suspect the ability to result in fully red pods is part of the equation.


Yes, it's been used for many years to get colourful results. I've generally avoided PDN in my crosses as there are so many of them around already. Last year I felt I should at least use it for a couple of projects to get more practical experience with its traits when crossing. I now have two projects started using PDN, one with Sugar Rush Stripey and another using Brazilian Starfish Yellow.

I looked on google and it seems that the SRS is not stable yet. In case you'd like to know more, here's the story of this cross I found on Fatalii's website: https://fatalii.net/stripey.pdf
 
I looked on google and it seems that the SRS is not stable yet. In case you'd like to know more, here's the story of this cross I found on Fatalii's website: https://fatalii.net/stripey.pdf
Yeah seen that one before. I think there's also variability just due to the mechanism that's causing this specific type of striping. Can't prove it, just a guess. The more research and documented cross examples using it the more we'll know.
 
Ripe today, after showing the peach stripe through yellow, light orange, dark orange and now red.
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I've been trying a few different crossings just to see if some combinations will germinate, I won't necessarily grow them all out. I have a few Baccatum with Annuum ideas I'm working on using a Chinense bridge.

As a side line I tried [B x B] x [B x C], in this case that took my main #stripeystarfish F1 plant as the [B x B] and my Stripey x PDN F1 as the [B x C].

Most F1 seeds looked OK from that and on the first attempt I had this pop up after 11 days. Strong purpling so I'm sure it's picked up the father OK. Not going to be the most predicable cross give the instability feeding into it!
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It wouldn't be an X011 plant (Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo) if I didn't get yet another different pod shape appear :lol:
An F3 plant from my Apricot Peach line, not seen a pod of this shape on any of the previous plants at any generation on any line.
I know this will go to the apricot peach colour as I've already had a couple of small runt pods from the plant.

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Colour transition now started on this F3 pod
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Extra big, double sized, pod appeared on my X034 F1 Plant 2 (Sugar Rush Stripey x PDN). This is at least as big as a regular PDN pod, might end up being bigger. Significantly larger than others on the plant and came from the second flush of flowers.

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75% of the #stripeystarfish F2 seedlings desperate to get their own pots and be hardened off. A little longer to wait for the weather yet. 84 seedlings in that forest.
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PaulG

Extreme Member
That's interesting, CC. I wonder if you will
get siamese pods from those?
 
That's interesting, CC. I wonder if you will
get siamese pods from those?

I need to look closer but I think one might even have 3 stigma.
This has turned out to be a bit of a pain, I want to see how they turn out but this F3 plant, which is currently in my tent in a mini-DWC, was scheduled to be turfed out into a soil pot and put in the garden. It's going to have the shock of a media change and have to be sun hardened.

I think the compromise will be to let it set pods on these flowers and get them growing a bit before stressing it out. Tent space too precious though, I've already taken F4 seeds from it and dropped some in rockwool.
 
Re-homed an F2 from my X034 project (Sugar Rush Stripey x PDN). Only have a small number of F2s started on this as I was late harvesting seeds and apparently don't have infinite space :lol: Most of them don't even have true leaves yet.

This one has definitely hung on to the dark traits from the F1.
 

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X033 F1 : Brazilian Starfish Orange (C.Baccatum) x Jays Peach Ghost Scorpion (C.Chinense)

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First ripe pod, looks slightly lighter yellow-orange in real life. Initial views:
  • No super wacky shaped pods as yet on the F1, most are just like a slightly off-pheno orange starfish
  • F1 plant looks terrible as squashed into an Aerogarden and had to hack it back several times to keep growth under control
  • Wasn't sure if the cross had taken, plant slightly bushy for a starfish but all flower traits were Baccatum and no Chinense influences
  • Ripe pod colour shade differs to the mother plant
  • Quite oily inside, slight Chinense smell but not as strong as others I've had on interspecific crosses
  • Taste was different! Initially you get the orange starfish flavour and then after a while you get hit with Chinense heat which then lingers. Had already cut placenta out to get the F2 seeds but I'd guess 2-3x the heat of a Sugar Rush Stripey. Will revise view when I have a handful of ripe pods to try.
  • F2 seeds look healthy enough
 
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