DocNrock's 2013 Glog - 7/11/13

sicman · Nov 26, 2012

that infinity in the middle looks to me like it want to live! if you havent thrown it away kep her and love her.

DocNrock · Nov 26, 2012

WhamGenetics said:
Your set up looks great! The greenhouse makes a big difference in what you can do in a year. I'll be trying to take cuttings too in the near future, It seems like a under utilized technique in the pepper community.

Thanks, man! It has really allowed me to start sprouting earlier, so hopefully the plants will be much larger when put out in the early Spring. I'm hoping they can really utilize that Spring weather to load up with poddage. The cutting idea is a good one, as long as you have a plant whose characteristics you want to mimic. I have a couple of such plants so I'm trying my hand at cloning them...but I'm also growing the same varieties from seed, just in case the clones don't work out, or in the event I get an even better plant from seed.

sicman said:
that infinity in the middle looks to me like it want to live! if you havent thrown it away kep her and love her.

I had actually given it some water right before that pic was taken. Checked on it in the morning and it looked even worse. I'm afraid she's gone to the great compost bin in the sky.

PaulG · Nov 27, 2012

Awesome progress, Brent! The greenhouse looks great. They do heat up in
the sun, for sure. On warm days, I leave the doors and windows open in some
combination to keep the temps down. I usually don't have anything in it during
the summer heat. Sometimes in the Spring, I have to throw a shade cloth over
it for a bit. I didn't caulk the edges of my panels, or put tape over them as the
directions on the new panels suggested (foil tape on the top edge and a breathable
tape on the bottom edge.) Just didn't seem too critical. I get condensation, but I
don't think sealing the ends would prevent that. The panels fit tight up against the
ridge and the gutter edge, so they are not wide open like the 4mm pre cut panels
that came with the kit were. Maybe I will regret that in the long run, I don't know.

Your seedlings look great, they should love their new home. I've been keeping my
night temps around 45-48 and the plants seem to be doing okay. Yesterday 67˚ in
the sunny afternoon (51˚ ambient).

Great grow going there, my friend!

DocNrock · Nov 27, 2012

PaulG said:
Awesome progress, Brent! The greenhouse looks great. They do heat up in
the sun, for sure. On warm days, I leave the doors and windows open in some
combination to keep the temps down. I usually don't have anything in it during
the summer heat. Sometimes in the Spring, I have to throw a shade cloth over
it for a bit. I didn't caulk the edges of my panels, or put tape over them as the
directions on the new panels suggested (foil tape on the top edge and a breathable
tape on the bottom edge.) Just didn't seem too critical. I get condensation, but I
don't think sealing the ends would prevent that. The panels fit tight up against the
ridge and the gutter edge, so they are not wide open like the 4mm pre cut panels
that came with the kit were. Maybe I will regret that in the long run, I don't know.

Your seedlings look great, they should love their new home. I've been keeping my
night temps around 45-48 and the plants seem to be doing okay. Yesterday 67˚ in
the sunny afternoon (51˚ ambient).

Great grow going there, my friend!

Thanks for stopping in, my friend. Glad to see you making your way back around the board. I'm pretty sure the condensation would happen regardless. That's gotta be just a function of a warm enclosed environment and potted plants with moist soil. If anything, I think caulking would increase condensation, although I doubt it would be noticable. I actually did it to minimize drafts in the cold so that my little space heater wouldn't have to work as hard. In retrospect, it probably did little to help. Too bad, because my caulking job looks awful, lol! Never caulked a large area before, so the beads didn't start looking halfway decent until I was about 2/3 done. Anyway, what is done is done and I'm not going to undo it! LOL!

stickman · Nov 27, 2012

DocNrock said:
I'll be honest, I know little about the Koreans. As you probably surmised from the labels, I have the Korean Winner Hybrid and the Andy F1 Gochu. I know exactly zero about their flavor profile, only that you love them. Can you tell me a bit about them? I have gathered they have heat, but not at the level of a super. Are they sweet, tart, bitter? Any flavor notes like citrus or berry? From your Glog, I gather they are used in Kim-Chi, is that correct? Any other Korean dishes that use them? I wanted to grow them to round out the overall flavor, heat, and aesthetic profile of my grow.

Hi Doc
Except to say that the Koreans usually have a heat profile on the lower end of "medium" and are very aromatic, I'm not sure what to say about their attributes. If you're interested, I could send you a small bag of my powder and you can ju
dge for yourself. If you have a discriminating palate, I'd appreciate it if you post a review. I sent some to HabaneroHead in Hungary, and he mentioned a somewhat "woody" smell, but said he liked the taste. The Korean word for red pepper is Gochu, so pepper powder would be gochugaru and pepper paste would be gochujang. Both are used extensively in Korean cuisine, but usually a dish only has one or the other in it. There are a number of websites that give traditional and Korean-fusion recipes... http://www.maangchi.com/ is one I like. http://hannaone.com/Recipe/ is another.
Hope this helps...

sicman · Nov 27, 2012

do not seal anything!

condesation happens because of the diffrences of temp.

you want to be able to alow the most air-flow,never stop it. you can keep warm enough for that space. go buy some heaters? like a "little buddy" something that runs on propane. one$30 dollar tank should last all year for you!

DocNrock · Nov 27, 2012

stickman said:
Hi Doc
Except to say that the Koreans usually have a heat profile on the lower end of "medium" and are very aromatic, I'm not sure what to say about their attributes. If you're interested, I could send you a small bag of my powder and you can ju
dge for yourself. If you have a discriminating palate, I'd appreciate it if you post a review. I sent some to HabaneroHead in Hungary, and he mentioned a somewhat "woody" smell, but said he liked the taste. The Korean word for red pepper is Gochu, so pepper powder would be gochugaru and pepper paste would be gochujang. Both are used extensively in Korean cuisine, but usually a dish only has one or the other in it. There are a number of websites that give traditional and Korean-fusion recipes... http://www.maangchi.com/ is one I like. http://hannaone.com/Recipe/ is another.
Hope this helps...

Thanks Rick, that helps a lot. Appreciate the offer for the powder, but don't want to impose. They're growing well enough that I hope to have something to taste in a few months.

sicman said:
do not seal anything!

....too late.

At least I still have the windows that open.

stickman · Nov 28, 2012

DocNrock said:
Thanks Rick, that helps a lot. Appreciate the offer for the powder, but don't want to impose. They're growing well enough that I hope to have something to taste in a few months.

Hi Doc
Not an imposition I assure you... I put in 26 gochus this past spring, and got over 5 quarts of powder. I can spare a few tablespoons...

PM me your addy and I'll get it in the mail. Cheers!

DocNrock · Nov 29, 2012

stickman said:
Hi Doc
Not an imposition I assure you... I put in 26 gochus this past spring, and got over 5 quarts of powder. I can spare a few tablespoons... PM me your addy and I'll get it in the mail. Cheers!

Awesome, man! If you would like some nuclear-hot powders, let me know!

This is something I never would have expected. A couple of the plants I just up-potted this past weekend from germinating cells are budding. The plants aren't that big, maybe six to seven inches from the surface of the soil to the top.

Pasilla Bajio:

PI281317:

Is this because they were nearly root-bound in the starter cells?

megamoo · Nov 29, 2012

I don't know why this happens. I've had plants half that size start budding.

I used to think it was the length of the days getting shorter but apparently that's not it.

I've also heard its when the roots have filled the container but that doesn't sound right to me either.

Something tells the plant its time to get going making fruit. I think it has to do with temperature, nutrients, or other environmental conditions, and the plant doesn't feel there is any possibility or a need to get any bigger? If you want to change its behaviour I think you have to change the conditions the plant is in.

Wish I had an answer for you.

edit: unlike some other types of plants Chillies keep on veg growing whilst they are flowering.

DocNrock · Nov 29, 2012

Thanks, MM. They were just recently up-potted, so maybe they will change their behavior.

On a different note, the PI281317 is supposed to be a chinense. Looks like an annuum to me. I wonder if I mixed some seeds up somehow?

stickman · Nov 30, 2012

Hi Doc
The Annuums did that for me too when I had them indoors under lights and they were about the same size. I wanted them to put their energy into growing roots rather than fruit at that stage, so I just pinched off the flower buds (being careful not to pinch off leaves as well) until I planted them outside and they got to be at least a foot tall.
If you want to really stimulate root growth, sprinkle a teaspoon of 50/50 epsom salts and rock phosphate on top of the soil around the plants and use rainwater or add a teaspoon of vinegar to the tapwater you use to water the plants. Rainwater is naturally mildly acidic (carbonic acid from the CO2 in the atmosphere), so when using tapwater, I add a little vinegar to neutralize the Chlorine and acidify the water so it dissolves the nutes and washes them down to the roots. A little goes a long way though, so don't overdo it! One application should be enough, you don't want to acidify the soil too much.

stickman · Dec 1, 2012

Warm season's greetings to you and yours from the stickman family

DocNrock · Dec 1, 2012

Thanks for the tip, Rick, and Season's Greetings to you and yours, as well!

Stefan_W · Dec 1, 2012

stickman said:
Hi Doc
The Annuums did that for me too when I had them indoors under lights and they were about the same size. I wanted them to put their energy into growing roots rather than fruit at that stage, so I just pinched off the flower buds (being careful not to pinch off leaves as well) until I planted them outside and they got to be at least a foot tall.
If you want to really stimulate root growth, sprinkle a teaspoon of 50/50 epsom salts and rock phosphate on top of the soil around the plants and use rainwater or add a teaspoon of vinegar to the tapwater you use to water the plants. Rainwater is naturally mildly acidic (carbonic acid from the CO2 in the atmosphere), so when using tapwater, I add a little vinegar to neutralize the Chlorine and acidify the water so it dissolves the nutes and washes them down to the roots. A little goes a long way though, so don't overdo it! One application should be enough, you don't want to acidify the soil too much.

Great trick. It should work on tomatoes as well, because both are nightshades and both like slightly acidic soil.

gasificada · Dec 1, 2012

Plants are hooting along, Doc! Awesome work! :onfire:

And I know I already commented on it but that greenhouse you built is the schnitzel! :cool:

Even though I don't need one... I WANT ONE!

I always just let my plants bud and do their thing if they think it's time. I've tried pinching in the past and the little buggers would always go and just start budding again a couple days later. I dunno... to me it seems chillies do a great job of producing and still growing at the same time anyway, especially young plants.

Trippa · Dec 1, 2012

gasificada said:
Plants are hooting along, Doc! Awesome work!

And I know I already commented on it but that greenhouse you built is the schnitzel! Even though I don't need one... I WANT ONE!

I always just let my plants bud and do their thing if they think it's time. I've tried pinching in the past and the little buggers would always go and just start budding again a couple days later. I dunno... to me it seems chillies do a great job of producing and still growing at the same time anyway, especially young plants.

Maybe if you had one gas with mesh windows you wouldn't have your fruit fly issues ???

gasificada · Dec 1, 2012

Trippa said:
Maybe if you had one gas with mesh windows you wouldn't have your fruit fly issues ???

You know.... :think:

how has this not occured to me!?

Although, even with mesh, I would think that it would still get awfully hot in there in summer?

Trippa · Dec 1, 2012

gasificada said:
You know.... how has this not occured to me!?

Although, even with mesh, I would think that it would still get awfully hot in there in summer?

Line the entire inside with flyscreen, or whatever mesh and simply pop out some or all of the panels around the walls during summer and put them back in during winter. Not only will it protect them from fruit fly but stop any major damage from the storm season!!

Anyway sorry docnrock for the thread hijack!!

Your set up looks like it is going from strength to strength !! Long may continue!!

DocNrock · Dec 2, 2012

gasificada said:
Plants are hooting along, Doc! Awesome work!

And I know I already commented on it but that greenhouse you built is the schnitzel! Even though I don't need one... I WANT ONE!

I always just let my plants bud and do their thing if they think it's time. I've tried pinching in the past and the little buggers would always go and just start budding again a couple days later. I dunno... to me it seems chillies do a great job of producing and still growing at the same time anyway, especially young plants.

Thanks, Gassy. Seedlings are really growing in there. Some of the smaller ones are kind of lagging with less light, but they'll pick up when we get some more sun. I'm not going to pinch anything. If flowers form, they'll probably fall off. If they do form pods, I'll pinch those for now. If the Pasilla Bajio forms a pod, poor plant will probably fall over!

Trippa said:
Line the entire inside with flyscreen, or whatever mesh and simply pop out some or all of the panels around the walls during summer and put them back in during winter. Not only will it protect them from fruit fly but stop any major damage from the storm season!!

Anyway sorry docnrock for the thread hijack!!

Your set up looks like it is going from strength to strength !! Long may continue!!

Thanks Trippa, and no worries. Glad something I did could inspire an idea. I posted support for this on Gassy's Glog.