DEFCON Creator said:Tina Brooks said:
And to think, I grew up thinking a pepper was a vegetable.
S'ok, John, ya learn something new every day.
T
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S'ok, John, ya learn something new every day.
T
That's what I suspected, thanks for clearing that up. hopefully they will get into selling seeds soon. Sounds like an interresting pepper to me, to say the least and defintely one to try
Other than that, what a great topic![/quote]
You're missing something. The Dorset Nage, several years ago was the naga morich. Now, it's the Dorset Naga. It's a much larger plant, with larger, hotter fruit.
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and defintely one to tryFunny thing is, after reading their site and all. It specifically says Dorset nage is NOT daga morrich, in contrary to the topic title, or am I missing anything here?Tina Brooks][quote=Remos][quote=darlochileman said:
Other than that, what a great topic![/quote]
You're missing something. The Dorset Nage, several years ago was the naga morich. Now, it's the Dorset Naga. It's a much larger plant, with larger, hotter fruit.
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Remos said:That's what I suspected, thanks for clearing that up. hopefully they will get into selling seeds soon. Sounds like an interresting pepper to me, to say the least
Funny thing is, after reading their site and all. It specifically says Dorset nage is NOT daga morrich, in contrary to the topic title, or am I missing anything here?Tina Brooks][quote=Remos][quote=darlochileman said:
Other than that, what a great topic!
You're missing something. The Dorset Nage, several years ago was the naga morich. Now, it's the Dorset Naga. It's a much larger plant, with larger, hotter fruit.
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If you've read my article, you'll know that we had a plant that we believe is the naga morich, if those fruit are any example of what to expect from the Naga Dorset, I'd love to try it too. We're talking about five years worth of selecting the biggest and the best nagas from the cream of the crop... If Joy and Michael continue along this vein, and I believe they will, these peppers will just get better with time. I personally recommend anyone in their neighbourhood also check out the rest of their offerings. If they're this picky about the naga, imagine how they are about everything else. I bet they grow some of the nicest tomatillos in England.
You have to know though, and I touched on this in the article, the Michauds only ship to UK addresses. So, if you aren't in England, you won't be able to order them.
T
Arh!!!!!
But my question is:
Is the Dorset Naga really a different variety to Naga Morich? (the claim its a variant after many years of careful selection) Ive grown Naga Morich for the last two years now after originally obtaining the seeds from a bangladeshi importer (incidently the same one that suppliers Naga Morich Pods to the shop in Bournmouth were the Michards orginally got their seed/plant depending on which article you read) from.
In my experience there is much pod diversity on the same plant, I cannot see how you could careful select onlt the biggest pods so that furture plants only produce these pod shapes.Some are longer and more pointy than others but no matter what the pod size they are all the same heat (as far as I can tell as anything in this heat range all taste the same)
I have done no 'special pod selection' or any other jiggery pokery on the plants Ive grown, but can you spot the difference from the Dorset Nagas to the Darlo Nagas/ Chileman Nagas? (no Im not going to PVP the name)
Pod Diversity:
Imatre Pods:
Naga Cross Section:
Nagas in their thress maturity stages:
The only thing I would say, is that Naga Morich (and as far as Im concerned the dorset naga) does not mature to red. Its matures to dark orange. My bangladeshi friend confirms this is the case also.
Does anyone else think the red dorset naga looks a bit too red on their home page? Maybe thats why no one has ever seen a red one/they only green pods!
http://www.dorsetnaga.com/
Mark
But my question is:
Is the Dorset Naga really a different variety to Naga Morich? (the claim its a variant after many years of careful selection) Ive grown Naga Morich for the last two years now after originally obtaining the seeds from a bangladeshi importer (incidently the same one that suppliers Naga Morich Pods to the shop in Bournmouth were the Michards orginally got their seed/plant depending on which article you read) from.
In my experience there is much pod diversity on the same plant, I cannot see how you could careful select onlt the biggest pods so that furture plants only produce these pod shapes.Some are longer and more pointy than others but no matter what the pod size they are all the same heat (as far as I can tell as anything in this heat range all taste the same)
I have done no 'special pod selection' or any other jiggery pokery on the plants Ive grown, but can you spot the difference from the Dorset Nagas to the Darlo Nagas/ Chileman Nagas? (no Im not going to PVP the name)
Pod Diversity:
Imatre Pods:
Naga Cross Section:
Nagas in their thress maturity stages:
The only thing I would say, is that Naga Morich (and as far as Im concerned the dorset naga) does not mature to red. Its matures to dark orange. My bangladeshi friend confirms this is the case also.
Does anyone else think the red dorset naga looks a bit too red on their home page? Maybe thats why no one has ever seen a red one/they only green pods!
http://www.dorsetnaga.com/
Mark
darlochileman said:Arh!!!!!
But my question is:
Is the Dorset Naga really a different variety to Naga Morich? (the claim its a variant after many years of careful selection) Ive grown Naga Morich for the last two years now after originally obtaining the seeds from a bangladeshi importer (incidently the same one that suppliers Naga Morich Pods to the shop in Bournmouth were the Michards orginally got their seed/plant depending on which article you read) from.
In my experience there is much pod diversity on the same plant, I cannot see how you could careful select onlt the biggest pods so that furture plants only produce these pod shapes.Some are longer and more pointy than others but no matter what the pod size they are all the same heat (as far as I can tell as anything in this heat range all taste the same)
I have done no 'special pod selection' or any other jiggery pokery on the plants Ive grown, but can you spot the difference from the Dorset Nagas to the Darlo Nagas/ Chileman Nagas? (no Im not going to PVP the name)
Pod Diversity:
Imatre Pods:
Naga Cross Section:
Nagas in their thress maturity stages:
The only thing I would say, is that Naga Morich (and as far as Im concerned the dorset naga) does not mature to red. Its matures to dark orange. My bangladeshi friend confirms this is the case also.
Does anyone else think the red dorset naga looks a bit too red on their home page? Maybe thats why no one has ever seen a red one/they only green pods!
http://www.dorsetnaga.com/
Mark
Well that's a really good buncha questions, Mark.
In order to understand what you're asking, you need to understand what Plant Variety Protection is. In order to understand that, you have to realize that PVP is all about protecting cultivated plant varieties. So even if technically the Dorset Naga is really only a meticulously improved variety of naga morich, it is still a meticulously improved variety. and THAT is what makes it eligible for PVP.
Where you seem to be making a requirement for distinction is also where the words PVP differ from plant patents. Plant patents can only be granted to cultivars which are created by scientific methods, ie not by seeds. PVPs were created in the 70's to protect the commercial viability of the plants for the creator of them, so that they could recoup the costs of having created this plant, much like plant patents, except that they are only good for 18 years, rather than 20. (I don't know what the rules are for UK PVPs).
Not just any plant is eligible, there is a stringent procedure that one must follow in order to qualify. First and foremost is that the plant must have significant differences from the original plant. In this case, the plant itself is a goodly bit larger than the smaller naga morich and the fruit are much larger and hotter; you've seen the pictures, Mark, these aren't quite the same peppers and ultimately, that is because Michael and Joy have spent the last five years making their naga bigger and better than the original. That in and of itself, in the horticulture world makes them eligible for those protections.
This link provides some detail about what PVP is and how one gets it for their plants.
To answer your question: is it really a different variety. Absolutely it is. It took many years to make it so.
As for your naga.
DC said:
As I reported in my article, the Michauds weren't selecting for heat, they were selecting for larger fruit and heartier plants. The extra heat was a surprising side-effect.
As for all tasting the same... since anything after a certain heat level tastes the same to me, of course they all taste the same to you, you can't take the heat... If you want to see what your HPLC count is, you'll have to have the test done. As far as I can tell, the only reason that Joy and Michael even thought to do so was because a certain person who we all consider a bigwig in the hot food industry pushed the Michauds to get their peppers tested. Otherwise, I doubt they would have done this. I will add too, that research that I got from the Michauds showed me an HPLC done that clocked over 1 million.
Maybe YOU have the world's hottest pepper... I'll reiterate the Michaud's challenge for you here... get your peppers tested, the worst that can happen is that you get a lower heat rating.
DC said:
Having done no special pod selection or jiggery pokery, as you put it, you are not about to be eligible for PVP anyway. As it is, you grow peppers. When they become ripe, you pick a couple of the best fruit off the plant and you set them aside to seed your crop for next year. The others, I assume, you eat. Nothing special, no jiggery pokery. Right.
In the case of Joy and Michael, they sell the fruit, so it is in their best interest to keep the best fruit for next years' crop. The key difference here is that Joy and Michael are agronomists and what that means is that they approach growing peppers just a little differently than you or I would. Dictionary.com defines a·gron·o·my as the application of the various soil and plant sciences to soil management and crop production; scientific agriculture. That definition alone tells me that they are probably keeping scientific notes and sketches and measuring soil ph and testing the water they put on their veg and whatever other scientific things an agronomist might do to their plants in order to create the best propogation they possibly can. In other words doing special things, ie jiggery pokery, granted, you make it sound a lot more esoteric than it probably is. lol
You can rest assured though that when Michael and Joy's work comes up to whatever agency it is that is in charge of PVP in the UK, it will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. And if it qualifies, it will grant them the PVP Dorset Naga, and if it doesn't qualify, they won't grant it. But based on what I know about Joy and Michael, they'll receive it. It is after all their scientific specialty.
In the meantime... You have naga morich, you can easily do what they have done; do the jiggery pokery, meet the requirements and you too can own your very own PVP.
As for them turning orange or turning red.
I will reiterate. I had a plant I had been told was a Mr. Naga, I am now certain that Mr. Naga is the same as the naga morich from which the Michauds grew the Dorset Naga. I can assure you that not only didn't these peppers turn orange, they turned from green to bright red. I am curious as to what you think would be gained by my pretending that these fruit are red rather than orange as yours obviously are? That said, the very idea that the Michauds would claim that orange peppers are red doesn't make sense. If they are orange, why not simply say they are orange?
Furthermore, I've been doing some kicking around and as little as I know about growing, I think it's safe to say I know a lot about peppers (as ingredients in hot sauce anyway) and I know that the naga morich and the Naga Dorset are NOT the only breed of this variety of pepper available. They come under many different names and they do seem to come in different colours. But, I assure you that since the plant that I had bore only red fruit and because the plants that the Michauds are growing bear red fruit, I can safely say, they are most definitely red peppers.
Interestingly though, since yours are obviously orange and not red, I ask you, are you sure that you have naga morich?
You know my Peppermaster goes through a lot of trouble to create our sauces and we spend a lot of time test marketing the recipes before taking them public and because of that, we protect our recipes very carefully. And in fact over the last two years we have been embroiled in trademark battles because someone doesn't respect our right to the trademark, because they don't think we should have it.
Perhaps that alone gives me more comprehension for PVP than any non-agronomist should be expected to have, but not only do I hope that Joy and Michael receive their PVP, I hope it is respected.
There is a pepper over here that happens to be a really great breed of habanero, called the Red Savina Habanero, and I've bought the peppers from a non-licensed grower, knowing full well that they were unlicensed Red Savinas and out of respect for the GNS Spice PVP, we refused to use the name.
You are in a unique position, Mark, you are in the Michaud's neighbourhood. I'm curious, why not hop on over to Joy and Michaels and have a looksee, say hello and introduce yourself? If you ask really nicely, Joy might give you a tour of the polytunnels. She tells me that some of their early variety chilies are about 3 inches long.
T
Tina Brooks said:
[quote name='imaguitargod][quote name='Tina Brooks']of course they all taste the same to you' date=' you can't take the heat[/quote']
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Funny, that's the exact look that the Peppermaster gets on his face when I tell him a new recipe is too hot for me to taste anything.
T
[/quote]Funny, that's the exact look that the Peppermaster gets on his face when I tell him a new recipe is too hot for me to taste anything.
T
ChefEx said:
I'm a bit of a geek when it comes to this stuff, Chef. lol... When you figure out who hired me... Tell them they owe me more than a few paycheques.
T
Hi Tina,
Wow what a great response!!
Thank you for that - I understand a lot more about PVP now and trademarking. To be honest I am an amatuer grower and am not that bothered about seeking PVP or the fame attached to it. What annoyed me originally was the thought that Micheal & Joy (who I have met and have no problem with - they have to make a living after all) were seeking to be the sole supplier of pods and prevent us obtaining viable seed and growing them for ourselves to protect they market position. This is why I have been librelly sending out free seeds to all my pod pals across the world as well as putting a few btaches on ebay to riase funds for the chileman sites hosting costs. Naga Morich was virtually unheard of a few years ago until I introduced it to growers on another forum in the UK. Its certainly better known and seeds are easier to come by now!!
I stand be my claim that the Dorset Naga is pretty much the same as Naga Morich. One of my plants last year was much larger than the others and had a higher proportion of larger elongagted, pointy fruits than the others despite the seed coming from an isolate plant from the previous year. The orignial seed (pods) I got my hands on came from the same bangladeshi importer.Having siad that, it doest rule out the possibility of their being several versions of the Naga morich in the intila batch of pods.
The puzzle is the maturity colour and we definately need to exchange notes next time I get the opportunity to meet Michael & Joy (probably in August).
Anyway, I really love Naga morich. It is a magical pepper and nothing like other 170 or so varieties I have grown. They certainitly kick the Red Savinas arse and were much hotter that the Fatallis, Choc Habs, Datil, Caribean Reds and Goat peppers I have grown (subject to local growing conditions and the Darlington soil!!) Seeds are on their way to you and I will be interested to see what you think when you grow them out.
PS My Naga 'Snake bite' Hot sauce recipie is a bit of fun and something I have developed for others to try. Its at the bottom of the page on the link below. Ive never even thought about trademarking it although I probably would do if I was in the hot sauce buiness. You may what to give it a try sometime.
http://www.thechileman.org/naga_morich.php
Again thank you for your very comprhensive and thought provoking response. It must have taken you ages to write that!!
This is why this is such a great forum and good source of information.
Mark
Wow what a great response!!
Thank you for that - I understand a lot more about PVP now and trademarking. To be honest I am an amatuer grower and am not that bothered about seeking PVP or the fame attached to it. What annoyed me originally was the thought that Micheal & Joy (who I have met and have no problem with - they have to make a living after all) were seeking to be the sole supplier of pods and prevent us obtaining viable seed and growing them for ourselves to protect they market position. This is why I have been librelly sending out free seeds to all my pod pals across the world as well as putting a few btaches on ebay to riase funds for the chileman sites hosting costs. Naga Morich was virtually unheard of a few years ago until I introduced it to growers on another forum in the UK. Its certainly better known and seeds are easier to come by now!!
I stand be my claim that the Dorset Naga is pretty much the same as Naga Morich. One of my plants last year was much larger than the others and had a higher proportion of larger elongagted, pointy fruits than the others despite the seed coming from an isolate plant from the previous year. The orignial seed (pods) I got my hands on came from the same bangladeshi importer.Having siad that, it doest rule out the possibility of their being several versions of the Naga morich in the intila batch of pods.
The puzzle is the maturity colour and we definately need to exchange notes next time I get the opportunity to meet Michael & Joy (probably in August).
Anyway, I really love Naga morich. It is a magical pepper and nothing like other 170 or so varieties I have grown. They certainitly kick the Red Savinas arse and were much hotter that the Fatallis, Choc Habs, Datil, Caribean Reds and Goat peppers I have grown (subject to local growing conditions and the Darlington soil!!) Seeds are on their way to you and I will be interested to see what you think when you grow them out.
PS My Naga 'Snake bite' Hot sauce recipie is a bit of fun and something I have developed for others to try. Its at the bottom of the page on the link below. Ive never even thought about trademarking it although I probably would do if I was in the hot sauce buiness. You may what to give it a try sometime.
http://www.thechileman.org/naga_morich.php
Again thank you for your very comprhensive and thought provoking response. It must have taken you ages to write that!!
This is why this is such a great forum and good source of information.
Mark
Hi Mark,
You must have realized by now, that I'm a bit of a wordsmith. I used to write for a living, now I just market and sell hot pepper sauces.
Joy and Michael aren't seeking to be the sole pod suppliers of the Dorset Naga, they ARE the sole supplier. That is the nature of PVP.
Let's be very clear on this. You can buy these pods from the Michauds... when they have them. THAT is what they do. You will also be able to buy the seed from these folks, when they have them. You will simply not be allowed to cultivate and sell using the name Dorset Naga without the Michauds permission and this for 18 years.
I will note that in the article that I linked to, about PVP, it states that several thousand seed are required to go on file with the PVP people. I would assume that this plus the fact that all of their plants for the year are planted, the Michauds are keeping whatever other seed they might have, (if any) close to home... in case of crop failure, maybe). I would, wouldn't you? That is more than likely why you can't get these peppers or seeds now.
The scientific work that has gone into developing Dorset Naga is not just a fluke bigger plant with bigger fruit, and if it is, you can trust that the Michaud's won't get the PVP. But I believe that they will. These are not a pair of hacks playing their hand at gardening.
You know what I don't understand? Why are you so hesitant to allow Michael and Joy the credit for their work? Do you really think that two World Class Agronomists would apply for PVP without having the scientific backup???
You might not realize this, so I'll point it out to you. You come across as thinking that Joy and Michael are scamming the world, and that just isn't the case.
Think about it. How would you feel if someone suddenly came in and told you that you shouldn't be allowed to put your name on your pepper encyclopedia? After all, it's not like someone else couldn't easily amass all that information and put it in one place. The answer... YOU get the credit because YOU did the work. Simple.
I am curious about one thing that you said:
I have been searching for this pepper since Mr. Naga fruited. I posted pictures all over the internet and nobody knew what I had, as a matter of fact, the discussion that I had with you on Virtual Pepper left me believing I had something similar to naga morich, but that it wasn't because it was red. To be faithful, you even posted yesterday that these peppers don't turn red. Well, then maybe the Michauds have and I HAD one of those other varieties of pepper that isn't exactly a naga morich, but is pretty darned close to it, because both these peppers turn red.
I don't know where you were on that that day, but on April 3, I received DeWitt's newsletter. And there was a picture of Mr. Naga! That was what motivated me to contact Joy... Me and about 1000 journalists.
If Joy and Michael hadn't posted their HPLC results, I still wouldn't have an idea what Mr. Naga was. And, truth be told, you and I would not be having this discussion.
If we're to give credit where it is due for bringing the existence of this pepper to the WORLD, I would be giving it to Dave DeWitt, the vast majority of anyone on this side of the pond knows about this pepper because of HIS newsletter. I don't know WHO called Dave DeWitt's attention to the pepper, but Dave DeWitt ran with the ball.
As for naga morich seeds suddenly being easier to come by... I've been in this business far too long and lived through the last couple of years of Naga Jolokia fever to believe that all these naga morich seeds suddenly for sale everywhere really are naga morich and if they are, I'm not giving much value to their viability. After all, these peppers ARE harvested green... so... given that this is chock full in the middle of off-season, where do these seeds come from??? Maybe growing up a stone's throw from the US, I'm skeptical, but really... I'm skeptical.
Yes, you had the orange naga morich peppers last August, but so did how many million Bangladeshis and Indians. I'd love to be able to tell you that you broke the news of naga morich to the world, but until Joy and Michael broke the news of the results of their HPLC test, it just wasn't that big a deal to anyone, in fact it was pretty ipso facto, as if ya these were really hot, but nobody was going ballistic about them. Suddenly, BECAUSE of the Michaud HPLC test, it's a big deal. That's to their credit for having had the test done.
If you want to see if the naga morich are similar in heat levels to the Dorset Naga, the only way to find out is to have your peppers tested. That alone won't give you PVP but it will give you the right to say you have the World's Hottest Pepper, and will make you eligible to get your name into Guinness.
T
You must have realized by now, that I'm a bit of a wordsmith. I used to write for a living, now I just market and sell hot pepper sauces.
Joy and Michael aren't seeking to be the sole pod suppliers of the Dorset Naga, they ARE the sole supplier. That is the nature of PVP.
Let's be very clear on this. You can buy these pods from the Michauds... when they have them. THAT is what they do. You will also be able to buy the seed from these folks, when they have them. You will simply not be allowed to cultivate and sell using the name Dorset Naga without the Michauds permission and this for 18 years.
I will note that in the article that I linked to, about PVP, it states that several thousand seed are required to go on file with the PVP people. I would assume that this plus the fact that all of their plants for the year are planted, the Michauds are keeping whatever other seed they might have, (if any) close to home... in case of crop failure, maybe). I would, wouldn't you? That is more than likely why you can't get these peppers or seeds now.
The scientific work that has gone into developing Dorset Naga is not just a fluke bigger plant with bigger fruit, and if it is, you can trust that the Michaud's won't get the PVP. But I believe that they will. These are not a pair of hacks playing their hand at gardening.
You know what I don't understand? Why are you so hesitant to allow Michael and Joy the credit for their work? Do you really think that two World Class Agronomists would apply for PVP without having the scientific backup???
You might not realize this, so I'll point it out to you. You come across as thinking that Joy and Michael are scamming the world, and that just isn't the case.
Think about it. How would you feel if someone suddenly came in and told you that you shouldn't be allowed to put your name on your pepper encyclopedia? After all, it's not like someone else couldn't easily amass all that information and put it in one place. The answer... YOU get the credit because YOU did the work. Simple.
I am curious about one thing that you said:
DC said:
I have been searching for this pepper since Mr. Naga fruited. I posted pictures all over the internet and nobody knew what I had, as a matter of fact, the discussion that I had with you on Virtual Pepper left me believing I had something similar to naga morich, but that it wasn't because it was red. To be faithful, you even posted yesterday that these peppers don't turn red. Well, then maybe the Michauds have and I HAD one of those other varieties of pepper that isn't exactly a naga morich, but is pretty darned close to it, because both these peppers turn red.
I don't know where you were on that that day, but on April 3, I received DeWitt's newsletter. And there was a picture of Mr. Naga! That was what motivated me to contact Joy... Me and about 1000 journalists.
If Joy and Michael hadn't posted their HPLC results, I still wouldn't have an idea what Mr. Naga was. And, truth be told, you and I would not be having this discussion.
If we're to give credit where it is due for bringing the existence of this pepper to the WORLD, I would be giving it to Dave DeWitt, the vast majority of anyone on this side of the pond knows about this pepper because of HIS newsletter. I don't know WHO called Dave DeWitt's attention to the pepper, but Dave DeWitt ran with the ball.
As for naga morich seeds suddenly being easier to come by... I've been in this business far too long and lived through the last couple of years of Naga Jolokia fever to believe that all these naga morich seeds suddenly for sale everywhere really are naga morich and if they are, I'm not giving much value to their viability. After all, these peppers ARE harvested green... so... given that this is chock full in the middle of off-season, where do these seeds come from??? Maybe growing up a stone's throw from the US, I'm skeptical, but really... I'm skeptical.
Yes, you had the orange naga morich peppers last August, but so did how many million Bangladeshis and Indians. I'd love to be able to tell you that you broke the news of naga morich to the world, but until Joy and Michael broke the news of the results of their HPLC test, it just wasn't that big a deal to anyone, in fact it was pretty ipso facto, as if ya these were really hot, but nobody was going ballistic about them. Suddenly, BECAUSE of the Michaud HPLC test, it's a big deal. That's to their credit for having had the test done.
If you want to see if the naga morich are similar in heat levels to the Dorset Naga, the only way to find out is to have your peppers tested. That alone won't give you PVP but it will give you the right to say you have the World's Hottest Pepper, and will make you eligible to get your name into Guinness.
T
I simathise with you. Actually, I once took a wee after cutting up peppers...needless to say, I think we ALL know what happened next.imaguitargod][quote=darlochileman said:
I trade you some cayannes(or money) for some seeds.[/quote]
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LOL!!!
I did the same thing after making habanero salsa....once. Only once. I wear latex now.
Hi Tina,
Ive just read back my email and I agree with you that I come very badly. I certainitly didnt mean to. I must apologise particularly for been so sceptical of the good work done by Michael & Joy. I totally miss understood the PVP thing ( I thought they were deliberately trying to inhibit supply of seed for the rest of us which I now know if way off the mark). I have no problem in Michael and Joy getting credit for their work, infact I applauded them for raising the profile of the humble chile pepper growing across the world - its a shame most of the publicity was released on the 1st April (no wonder many people are sceptical but as you rightly say - this is no April fools joke. I know from persoanal expierence that the Naga Morich is blisteringly hot, I wasent aware of all the scientific work/documentation they has obviously been done behind the scene for the improved dorest naga. They are obviously not just trying to pass off the standrad Naga morich as something else for commercial purposes. The red/orange maturity colour is probably the clincher for me. My 'Naga Morich' peppers are those widely used by the Bangladeshi community and definately dont mature to red. The do go a very dark orange (almost red) and then degrade very quickly. They do not go the intense bright red of the Dorset naga as shown on the dorset naga site.
As for your quote that naga morich seeds suddenly being easier to come by........
'I've been in this business far too long and lived through the last couple of years of Naga Jolokia fever to believe that all these naga morich seeds suddenly for sale everywhere really are naga morich and if they are, I'm not giving much value to their viability'
I totally agree with you here. Im one of the culprits for dispersing Naga Morich seed (spurred on by the thought of spreading seed around the world before it may by restricted under PVP - a wrong assumption I now know!!) although many other Naga seed suppliers seem to have sprung up from everywhere over the last month or so. All I can say is that I can guarantee that you will get good germiantion rates from the viable Naga Morich seeds I will send you, so that you and others can grow them out for yourselves.
As Im based in the UK, Im also more than happy to act as the UK contact for obtaining & sending you all 'Dorset Naga seed' when it becomes available. That way we can all grow them both out (and any other Naga's out there!) to seen the differences for ourselves.
Would you be happy to be the central contact on that side of the pond?
Im sorry for the way I came across. Im glad I only grow peppers for fun and do not to make a living put of it and all the pressures that entails. Putting thechileman site together is depressing my enough!!
Mark
PS What is the hardest job. Writing for a living or marketing hot sauces?
Ive just read back my email and I agree with you that I come very badly. I certainitly didnt mean to. I must apologise particularly for been so sceptical of the good work done by Michael & Joy. I totally miss understood the PVP thing ( I thought they were deliberately trying to inhibit supply of seed for the rest of us which I now know if way off the mark). I have no problem in Michael and Joy getting credit for their work, infact I applauded them for raising the profile of the humble chile pepper growing across the world - its a shame most of the publicity was released on the 1st April (no wonder many people are sceptical but as you rightly say - this is no April fools joke. I know from persoanal expierence that the Naga Morich is blisteringly hot, I wasent aware of all the scientific work/documentation they has obviously been done behind the scene for the improved dorest naga. They are obviously not just trying to pass off the standrad Naga morich as something else for commercial purposes. The red/orange maturity colour is probably the clincher for me. My 'Naga Morich' peppers are those widely used by the Bangladeshi community and definately dont mature to red. The do go a very dark orange (almost red) and then degrade very quickly. They do not go the intense bright red of the Dorset naga as shown on the dorset naga site.
As for your quote that naga morich seeds suddenly being easier to come by........
'I've been in this business far too long and lived through the last couple of years of Naga Jolokia fever to believe that all these naga morich seeds suddenly for sale everywhere really are naga morich and if they are, I'm not giving much value to their viability'
I totally agree with you here. Im one of the culprits for dispersing Naga Morich seed (spurred on by the thought of spreading seed around the world before it may by restricted under PVP - a wrong assumption I now know!!) although many other Naga seed suppliers seem to have sprung up from everywhere over the last month or so. All I can say is that I can guarantee that you will get good germiantion rates from the viable Naga Morich seeds I will send you, so that you and others can grow them out for yourselves.
As Im based in the UK, Im also more than happy to act as the UK contact for obtaining & sending you all 'Dorset Naga seed' when it becomes available. That way we can all grow them both out (and any other Naga's out there!) to seen the differences for ourselves.
Would you be happy to be the central contact on that side of the pond?
Im sorry for the way I came across. Im glad I only grow peppers for fun and do not to make a living put of it and all the pressures that entails. Putting thechileman site together is depressing my enough!!
Mark
PS What is the hardest job. Writing for a living or marketing hot sauces?
Acting.darlochileman said:
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darlochileman said:
Oh please. Try cleaning out underground hazmat holding tanks from the inside.
To Jonathan's credit... Acting is pretty hard but multiple call-backs without getting the part are much more difficult.
To John's credit... I don't want to ever learn first hand how difficult it is to clean out a hazmat drum.
Honestly, Mark, I don't know that either is really difficult. I really enjoy doing both so much.
The hardest part of writing though, is giving up control of your words to an editor. (Which is why I didn't sell my Dorset Naga article).
To John's credit... I don't want to ever learn first hand how difficult it is to clean out a hazmat drum.
Honestly, Mark, I don't know that either is really difficult. I really enjoy doing both so much.
The hardest part of writing though, is giving up control of your words to an editor. (Which is why I didn't sell my Dorset Naga article).
They shipped to Scotland??? Oh, now I'm jealous... I wonder if Canada counts as a UK address???
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Hi Tina,
Here are a few more photos of Naga morich (the orange ones) so you know what those seeds will turn into wink: )
You can almost feel the capasacin!
Mark
Here are a few more photos of Naga morich (the orange ones) so you know what those seeds will turn into wink: )
You can almost feel the capasacin!
Mark