Holy SH##...you get more pods on one plant than I do off 20 honestly. Incredible Rich!
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Cheers to you sir! Glad I could help you outJust read your log and can't thank you enough. Wish I had found this thread months ago.
I've been a member here for a while, not long enough to really get going, but hopefully the journals in the years to come will be even better and have even more info !HAHA!You may need hired help to pick the Fatalii tree in year 6, or at least someone to foot the ladder
Thanks Mill! Don't know if you read it or not, but I'll be sending out the pods on Monday morning! I'll post back when I send em out, so just make sure and let me know if everything got there safe and ON FIRE!
You'll know when it gets there, the package will be marked "hazardous materials" LOL! HAHA! That's sort of the point
Instead of growing numbers, I grow monsters This will be the 5th I think. But you have to realize, I cut them all the way back as well as the roots and put them in 5 gallon containers for the winter. So the only thing that gets to "continue" going is the trunk.
Thanks dude
Check your PM.To all the guys getting some of these Fatalii, be forewarned, these peppers are much hotter than you are going to be expecting. Enjoy
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Thanks Mill! Don't know if you read it or not, but I'll be sending out the pods on Monday morning! I'll post back when I send em out, so just make sure and let me know if everything got there safe and ON FIRE!
Yeah I got that, and I will let you know as soon as they get here. Thanks again Rich.
Thanks. No prob. Hey guys who are receiving some pods from me in a few days... this is for you. Made a video with the wife as we did the weekly harvest
Holy crap, that thing is ridiculous.
That's it, I'm moving to the south and growing pepper trees. 
Screw this 4 months of warm weather BS.To all the guys getting some of these Fatalii, be forewarned, these peppers are much hotter than you are going to be expecting. Enjoy
We seem to be in the minority, because most consider fataliis only as hot as an average habanero. To me they seem far hotter.
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Ill put them up against Scorps, Bhuts, 7Pods, etc etc etc etc any day of the week, year or month. And I know peppersHoly crap, that thing is ridiculous.
We seem to be in the minority, because most consider fataliis only as hot as an average habanero. To me they seem far hotter.
These things will literally make you feel as though the surface layer of the inside of your mouth has been chemically scalded. Its nuts...and the flavor of a real Fatalii is UN-MATCHED. It stays with you all day if you eat a couple with lunch. Constantly burping that awesome flavor up all the live long day! 
Now you're making me want to try this particular one Rich!!
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Ill put them up against Scorps, Bhuts, 7Pods, etc etc etc etc any day of the week, year or month. And I know peppers
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Yep. And there is a lot to be said for the relationship between man and hot pepper. As we all know, there are many things at play when we bite into that unique fruit. What I love about the pepper culture right now is that people are finally coming around to the process that binds us to the pepper as humans. The fact that our relationship to them is akin to that of a drug, and how when we eat them, the capsaicinoids create signals to the brain. Causing the brain to release endorphins, making you feel high. The tolerance build up, and the yearning for MORE HEAT AND PAIN
Its all very interesting and intriguing. The current medical society/pharmaceutical industry and media won't necessarily allow the population to become privy to the other part, but these things can actually save your life! There have been MANY studies and medical applications involving the compounds present in some of these super hots. Applications and success towards things like arthritis, diabetes, neurological disorders, even cancer! I'm telling you peppers can save the world man. There are few fruit that can do that, and peppers are one of them
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Here's some good stuff on Soil Biology that I was getting into: Enjoy
Soil Biology
The Soil Biology Primer
Chapter 1: THE SOIL FOOD WEB
By Elaine R. Ingham
SOIL BIOLOGY AND THE LANDSCAPE
An incredible diversity of organisms make up the soil food web. They range in size from the tiniest one-celled bacteria, algae, fungi, and protozoa, to the more complex nematodes and micro-arthropods, to the visible earthworms, insects, small vertebrates, and plants.
As these organisms eat, grow, and move through the soil, they make it possible to have clean water, clean air, healthy plants, and moderated water flow.
There are many ways that the soil food web is an integral part of landscape processes. Soil organisms decompose organic compounds, including manure, plant residue, and pesticides, preventing them from entering water and becoming pollutants. They sequester nitrogen and other nutrients that might otherwise enter groundwater, and they fix nitrogen from the atmosphere, making it available to plants. Many organisms enhance soil aggregation and porosity, thus increasing infiltration and reducing runoff. Soil organisms prey on crop pests and are food for above-ground animals.
The soil environment. Organisms live in the microscale environments within and between soil particles. Differences over short distances in pH, moisture, pore size, and the types of food available create a broad range of habitats.
Credit: S. Rose and E.T. Elliott
THE FOOD WEB: ORGANISMS AND THEIR INTERACTION
The soil food web is the community of organisms living all or part of their lives in the soil. A food web diagram shows a series of conversions (represented by arrows) of energy and nutrients as one organism eats another (see food web diagram).
All food webs are fueled by the primary producers: the plants, lichens, moss, photosynthetic bacteria, and algae that use the sun’s energy to fix carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Most other soil organisms get energy and carbon by consuming the organic compounds found in plants, other organisms, and waste by-products. A few bacteria, called chemoautotrophs, get energy from nitrogen, sulfur, or iron compounds rather than carbon compounds or the sun.
As organisms decompose complex materials, or consume other organisms, nutrients are converted from one form to another, and are made available to plants and to other soil organisms. All plants – grass, trees, shrubs, agricultural crops – depend on the food web for their nutrition.
WHAT DO SOIL ORGANISMS DO?
Growing and reproducing are the primary activities of all living organisms. As individual plants and soil organisms work to survive, they depend on interactions with each other. By-products from growing roots and plant residue feed soil organisms. In turn, soil organisms support plant health as they decompose organic matter, cycle nutrients, enhance soil structure, and control the populations of soil organisms including crop pests. (See table of functions of soil organisms.)
ORGANIC MATTER FUELS THE FOOD WEB
Soil organic matter is the storehouse for the energy and nutrients used by plants and other organisms. Bacteria, fungi, and other soil dwellers transform and release nutrients from organic matter (see photo).
These microshredders, immature oribatid mites, skeletonize plant leaves. This starts the nutrient cycling of carbon, nitrogen, and other elements.
Collohmannia sp. Credit: Roy A. Norton, College of Environmental Science & Forestry, State University of New York
Organic matter is many different kinds of compounds – some more useful to organisms than others. In general, soil organic matter is made of roughly equal parts humus and active organic matter. Active organic matter is the portion available to soil organisms. Bacteria tend to use simpler organic compounds, such as root exudates or fresh plant residue. Fungi tend to use more complex compounds, such as fibrous plant residues, wood and soil humus.
Intensive tillage triggers spurts of activity among bacteria and other organisms that consume organic matter (convert it to CO2), depleting the active fraction first. Practices that build soil organic matter (reduced tillage and regular additions of organic material) will raise the proportion of active organic matter long before increases in total organic matter can be measured. As soil organic matter levels rise, soil organisms play a role in its conversion to humus—a relatively stable form of carbon sequestered in soils for decades or even centuries.
FOOD SOURCES FOR SOIL ORGANISMS
“Soil organic matter” includes all the organic substances in or on the soil. Here are terms used to describe different types of organic matter.
Living organisms: Bacteria, fungi, nematodes, protozoa, earthworms, arthropods, and living roots.
Dead plant material; organic material; detritus; surface residue: All these terms refer to plant, animal, or other organic substances that have recently been added to the soil and have only begun to show signs of decay. Detritivores are organisms that feed on such material.
Active fraction organic matter: Organic compounds that can be used as food by microorganisms. The active fraction changes more quickly than total organic matter in response to management changes.
Labile organic matter: Organic matter that is easily decomposed.
Root exudates: Soluble sugars, amino acids and other compounds secreted by roots.
Particulate organic matter (POM) or Light fraction (LF) organic matter: POM and LF have precise size and weight definitions. They are thought to represent the active fraction of organic matter which is more difficult to define. Because POM or LF is larger and lighter than other types of soil organic matter, they can be separated from soil by size (using a sieve) or by weight (using a centrifuge).
Lignin: A hard-to-degrade compound that is part of the fibers of older plants. Fungi can use the carbon ring structures in lignin as food.
Recalcitrant organic matter: Organic matter such as humus or lignin-containing material that few soil organisms can decompose.
Humus or humified organic matter: Complex organic compounds that remain after many organisms have used and transformed the original material. Humus is not readily decomposed because it is either physically protected inside of aggregates or chemically too complex to be used by most organisms. Humus is important in binding tiny soil aggregates, and improves water and nutrient holding capacity.
Components of Soil Organic Matter
WHERE DO SOIL ORGANISMS LIVE?
The organisms of the food web are not uniformly distributed through the soil. Each species and group exists where they can find appropriate space, nutrients, and moisture. They occur wherever organic matter occurs – mostly in the top few inches of soil (see figure), although microbes have been found as deep as 10 miles (16 km) in oil wells.
Soil organisms are concentrated:
Around roots. The rhizosphere is the narrow region of soil directly around roots (see photo). It is teeming with bacteria that feed on sloughed-off plant cells and the proteins and sugars released by roots. The protozoa and nematodes that graze on bacteria are also concentrated near roots. Thus, much of the nutrient cycling and disease suppression needed by plants occurs immediately adjacent to roots.
Bacteria are abundant around this root tip (the rhizosphere) where they decompose the plentiful simple organic substances. Credit: No. 53 from Soil Microbiology and Biochemistry Slide Set. 1976 J.P. Martin, et al., eds. SSSA, Madison WI.
In litter. Fungi are common decomposers of plant litter because litter has large amounts of complex, hard-to-decompose carbon. Fungal hyphae (fine filaments) can “pipe” nitrogen from the underlying soil to the litter layer. Bacteria cannot transport nitrogen over distances, giving fungi an advantage in litter decomposition, particularly when litter is not mixed into the soil profile. However, bacteria are abundant in the green litter of younger plants which is higher in nitrogen and simpler carbon compounds than the litter of older plants. Bacteria and fungi are able to access a larger surface area of plant residue after shredder organisms such as earthworms, leaf-eating insects, millipedes, and other arthropods break up the litter into smaller chunks.
On humus. Fungi are common here. Much organic matter in the soil has already been decomposed many times by bacteria and fungi, and/or passed through the guts of earthworms or arthropods. The resulting humic compounds are complex and have little available nitrogen. Only fungi make some of the enzymes needed to degrade the complex compounds in humus.
On the surface of soil aggregates. Biological activity, in particular that of aerobic bacteria and fungi, is greater near the surfaces of soil aggregates than within aggregates. Within large aggregates, processes that do not require oxygen, such as denitrification, can occur. Many aggregates are actually the fecal pellets of earthworms and other invertebrates.
In spaces between soil aggregates. Those arthropods and nematodes that cannot burrow through soil move in the pores between soil aggregates. Organisms that are sensitive to desiccation, such as protozoa and many nematodes, live in water-filled pores. (See Figure page 1.)
WHEN ARE THEY ACTIVE?
The activity of soil organisms follows seasonal patterns, as well as daily patterns. In temperate systems, the greatest activity occurs in late spring when temperature and moisture conditions are optimal for growth (see graph). However, certain species are most active in the winter, others during dry periods, and still others in flooded conditions.
Not all organisms are active at a particular time. Even during periods of high activity, only a fraction of the organisms are busily eating, respiring, and altering their environment. The remaining portion are barely active or even dormant.
Many different organisms are active at different times, and interact with one another, with plants, and with the soil. The combined result is a number of beneficial functions including nutrient cycling, moderated water flow, and pest control.
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SOIL FOOD WEB
The living component of soil, the food web, is complex and has different compositions in different ecosystems. Management of croplands, rangelands, forestlands, and gardens benefits from and affects the food web. The next unit of the Soil Biology Primer, “The Food Web & Soil Health,” introduces the relationship of soil biology to agricultural productivity, biodiversity, carbon sequestration and to air and water quality. The remaining six units of the Soil Biology Primer describe the major groups of soil organisms: bacteria, fungi, protozoa, nematodes, arthropods, and earthworms. For more information about the diversity within each organism group, see the list of readings at the end of “The Food Web & Soil Health” unit.
Soil Biology
The Soil Biology Primer
Chapter 1: THE SOIL FOOD WEB
By Elaine R. Ingham
SOIL BIOLOGY AND THE LANDSCAPE
An incredible diversity of organisms make up the soil food web. They range in size from the tiniest one-celled bacteria, algae, fungi, and protozoa, to the more complex nematodes and micro-arthropods, to the visible earthworms, insects, small vertebrates, and plants.
As these organisms eat, grow, and move through the soil, they make it possible to have clean water, clean air, healthy plants, and moderated water flow.
There are many ways that the soil food web is an integral part of landscape processes. Soil organisms decompose organic compounds, including manure, plant residue, and pesticides, preventing them from entering water and becoming pollutants. They sequester nitrogen and other nutrients that might otherwise enter groundwater, and they fix nitrogen from the atmosphere, making it available to plants. Many organisms enhance soil aggregation and porosity, thus increasing infiltration and reducing runoff. Soil organisms prey on crop pests and are food for above-ground animals.
The soil environment. Organisms live in the microscale environments within and between soil particles. Differences over short distances in pH, moisture, pore size, and the types of food available create a broad range of habitats.
Credit: S. Rose and E.T. Elliott
THE FOOD WEB: ORGANISMS AND THEIR INTERACTION
The soil food web is the community of organisms living all or part of their lives in the soil. A food web diagram shows a series of conversions (represented by arrows) of energy and nutrients as one organism eats another (see food web diagram).
All food webs are fueled by the primary producers: the plants, lichens, moss, photosynthetic bacteria, and algae that use the sun’s energy to fix carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Most other soil organisms get energy and carbon by consuming the organic compounds found in plants, other organisms, and waste by-products. A few bacteria, called chemoautotrophs, get energy from nitrogen, sulfur, or iron compounds rather than carbon compounds or the sun.
As organisms decompose complex materials, or consume other organisms, nutrients are converted from one form to another, and are made available to plants and to other soil organisms. All plants – grass, trees, shrubs, agricultural crops – depend on the food web for their nutrition.
WHAT DO SOIL ORGANISMS DO?
Growing and reproducing are the primary activities of all living organisms. As individual plants and soil organisms work to survive, they depend on interactions with each other. By-products from growing roots and plant residue feed soil organisms. In turn, soil organisms support plant health as they decompose organic matter, cycle nutrients, enhance soil structure, and control the populations of soil organisms including crop pests. (See table of functions of soil organisms.)
ORGANIC MATTER FUELS THE FOOD WEB
Soil organic matter is the storehouse for the energy and nutrients used by plants and other organisms. Bacteria, fungi, and other soil dwellers transform and release nutrients from organic matter (see photo).
These microshredders, immature oribatid mites, skeletonize plant leaves. This starts the nutrient cycling of carbon, nitrogen, and other elements.
Collohmannia sp. Credit: Roy A. Norton, College of Environmental Science & Forestry, State University of New York
Organic matter is many different kinds of compounds – some more useful to organisms than others. In general, soil organic matter is made of roughly equal parts humus and active organic matter. Active organic matter is the portion available to soil organisms. Bacteria tend to use simpler organic compounds, such as root exudates or fresh plant residue. Fungi tend to use more complex compounds, such as fibrous plant residues, wood and soil humus.
Intensive tillage triggers spurts of activity among bacteria and other organisms that consume organic matter (convert it to CO2), depleting the active fraction first. Practices that build soil organic matter (reduced tillage and regular additions of organic material) will raise the proportion of active organic matter long before increases in total organic matter can be measured. As soil organic matter levels rise, soil organisms play a role in its conversion to humus—a relatively stable form of carbon sequestered in soils for decades or even centuries.
FOOD SOURCES FOR SOIL ORGANISMS
“Soil organic matter” includes all the organic substances in or on the soil. Here are terms used to describe different types of organic matter.
Living organisms: Bacteria, fungi, nematodes, protozoa, earthworms, arthropods, and living roots.
Dead plant material; organic material; detritus; surface residue: All these terms refer to plant, animal, or other organic substances that have recently been added to the soil and have only begun to show signs of decay. Detritivores are organisms that feed on such material.
Active fraction organic matter: Organic compounds that can be used as food by microorganisms. The active fraction changes more quickly than total organic matter in response to management changes.
Labile organic matter: Organic matter that is easily decomposed.
Root exudates: Soluble sugars, amino acids and other compounds secreted by roots.
Particulate organic matter (POM) or Light fraction (LF) organic matter: POM and LF have precise size and weight definitions. They are thought to represent the active fraction of organic matter which is more difficult to define. Because POM or LF is larger and lighter than other types of soil organic matter, they can be separated from soil by size (using a sieve) or by weight (using a centrifuge).
Lignin: A hard-to-degrade compound that is part of the fibers of older plants. Fungi can use the carbon ring structures in lignin as food.
Recalcitrant organic matter: Organic matter such as humus or lignin-containing material that few soil organisms can decompose.
Humus or humified organic matter: Complex organic compounds that remain after many organisms have used and transformed the original material. Humus is not readily decomposed because it is either physically protected inside of aggregates or chemically too complex to be used by most organisms. Humus is important in binding tiny soil aggregates, and improves water and nutrient holding capacity.
Components of Soil Organic Matter
WHERE DO SOIL ORGANISMS LIVE?
The organisms of the food web are not uniformly distributed through the soil. Each species and group exists where they can find appropriate space, nutrients, and moisture. They occur wherever organic matter occurs – mostly in the top few inches of soil (see figure), although microbes have been found as deep as 10 miles (16 km) in oil wells.
Soil organisms are concentrated:
Around roots. The rhizosphere is the narrow region of soil directly around roots (see photo). It is teeming with bacteria that feed on sloughed-off plant cells and the proteins and sugars released by roots. The protozoa and nematodes that graze on bacteria are also concentrated near roots. Thus, much of the nutrient cycling and disease suppression needed by plants occurs immediately adjacent to roots.
Bacteria are abundant around this root tip (the rhizosphere) where they decompose the plentiful simple organic substances. Credit: No. 53 from Soil Microbiology and Biochemistry Slide Set. 1976 J.P. Martin, et al., eds. SSSA, Madison WI.
In litter. Fungi are common decomposers of plant litter because litter has large amounts of complex, hard-to-decompose carbon. Fungal hyphae (fine filaments) can “pipe” nitrogen from the underlying soil to the litter layer. Bacteria cannot transport nitrogen over distances, giving fungi an advantage in litter decomposition, particularly when litter is not mixed into the soil profile. However, bacteria are abundant in the green litter of younger plants which is higher in nitrogen and simpler carbon compounds than the litter of older plants. Bacteria and fungi are able to access a larger surface area of plant residue after shredder organisms such as earthworms, leaf-eating insects, millipedes, and other arthropods break up the litter into smaller chunks.
On humus. Fungi are common here. Much organic matter in the soil has already been decomposed many times by bacteria and fungi, and/or passed through the guts of earthworms or arthropods. The resulting humic compounds are complex and have little available nitrogen. Only fungi make some of the enzymes needed to degrade the complex compounds in humus.
On the surface of soil aggregates. Biological activity, in particular that of aerobic bacteria and fungi, is greater near the surfaces of soil aggregates than within aggregates. Within large aggregates, processes that do not require oxygen, such as denitrification, can occur. Many aggregates are actually the fecal pellets of earthworms and other invertebrates.
In spaces between soil aggregates. Those arthropods and nematodes that cannot burrow through soil move in the pores between soil aggregates. Organisms that are sensitive to desiccation, such as protozoa and many nematodes, live in water-filled pores. (See Figure page 1.)
WHEN ARE THEY ACTIVE?
The activity of soil organisms follows seasonal patterns, as well as daily patterns. In temperate systems, the greatest activity occurs in late spring when temperature and moisture conditions are optimal for growth (see graph). However, certain species are most active in the winter, others during dry periods, and still others in flooded conditions.
Not all organisms are active at a particular time. Even during periods of high activity, only a fraction of the organisms are busily eating, respiring, and altering their environment. The remaining portion are barely active or even dormant.
Many different organisms are active at different times, and interact with one another, with plants, and with the soil. The combined result is a number of beneficial functions including nutrient cycling, moderated water flow, and pest control.
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SOIL FOOD WEB
The living component of soil, the food web, is complex and has different compositions in different ecosystems. Management of croplands, rangelands, forestlands, and gardens benefits from and affects the food web. The next unit of the Soil Biology Primer, “The Food Web & Soil Health,” introduces the relationship of soil biology to agricultural productivity, biodiversity, carbon sequestration and to air and water quality. The remaining six units of the Soil Biology Primer describe the major groups of soil organisms: bacteria, fungi, protozoa, nematodes, arthropods, and earthworms. For more information about the diversity within each organism group, see the list of readings at the end of “The Food Web & Soil Health” unit.
Ill put them up against Scorps, Bhuts, 7Pods, etc etc etc etc any day of the week, year or month. And I know peppers
I wouldn't go that far, but they're definitely hotter than any habanero I've had, and the flavor is incredible The ones I've had feel like they have about 65-75% of the heat of a bhut jolokia. Unfortunately my fataliis are all apparently crossed this year, because they're producing fruit that is very skinny, usually is a little hooked-shaped towards the bottom, and has kind of a slight orange tinge.
The current medical society/pharmaceutical industry and media won't necessarily allow the population to become privy to the other part, but these things can actually save your life! There have been MANY studies and medical applications involving the compounds present in some of these super hots. Applications and success towards things like arthritis, diabetes, neurological disorders, even cancer! I'm telling you peppers can save the world man. There are few fruit that can do that, and peppers are one of them
There seems to be a LOT more research on them in the last 5 years, and a lot of the misinformation is slowly getting corrected. The fact that we have so many Indian doctors in the US now probably helps the cause. People are finally coming around to the idea that chile peppers have a lot of health benefits. A lot of doctors still give out misinformation regarding chiles though. Sad to say, but most doctors know jack shit about food and nutrition. Even sadder, most licensed nutritionists don't seem to know much of anything about food and nutrition. They are all indoctrinated with the same old misinformation and assumptions that aren't supported by empirical evidence. A lot of the nutrition rhetoric they mindlessly repeat as gospel is about as accurate and scientific as "don't swallow your gum or it will stay in your stomach for 7 years".
Well composed vid Guru; I enjoyed it.
That mother Fatalii is one amazing plant.
That mother Fatalii is one amazing plant.
So I may've missed it, Guru, but approx how many pods was that harvest?
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Dude, I wouldn't shit you. These little fuckers are the truth. I've had these genes for about 7 years now and they have only grown hotter every season. The wife and I eat chilies religiously, the hotter the better, and these when eaten after the others (Bhuts included) are MARKEDLY hotter! Much much hotter dude. Trust. I just got the Bhuts, Scorps and 7Pods about 4 years ago, and posted them on here then too. Even then, I'm sure that I can be quoted having said that I was disappointed. I had high expectations for them so you can understand my disappointment when they failed in comparison to my Fatalii. Hell, I'll send you all four and you decide! Maybe the Fatalii you've had in the past weren't that hot, but these are the way, the truth and the life! lol
Doctors....lol
Thanks man! I think next year, Im going all air pots for the moms!Well composed vid Guru; I enjoyed it.
That mother Fatalii is one amazing plant.
Should be interesting! Well, I never count, but just looking at the tub now, its anywhere between 150 and 200 pods.
Holly hellofahhh...
That is a massive plant.
Nothing like chemical scalded mouth to start the day!
Nice info on the soil food web.
That is a massive plant.
Nothing like chemical scalded mouth to start the day!
Nice info on the soil food web.
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Ok I could only get to half of you guys yesterday, but packages are on their way! Millworkman, Alphaeon, Justaguy, and Cmpman1974 you guys should be expecting something in the next few days or so! The rest of you guys: Pic1, Puma35, Avonbarksdale, Big Cedar, and Buck77 I will get yours out in the next day or so. I gotta get some more postage stamps! Enjoy fellas!
Millworkman, Alphaeon, Justaguy, and Cmpman1974 you guys should be expecting something in the next few days or so! The rest of you guys: Pic1, Puma35, Avonbarksdale, Big Cedar, and Buck77 I will get yours out in the next day or so. I gotta get some more postage stamps! Enjoy fellas!