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I hate seeing a wounded animal suffer
- Thread starter Proud Marine Dad
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I think a lot of people miss WHAT I now see as the main point of your original post.
Something was/IS bothering you that you have no control over,BIG TIME
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YOU needed to VENT AMONG Friends for support-make you feel better,help you deal with it.
Instead you got US telling you how to deal with the bird,you are catching crap instead of feeling sympathy or understanding.
Sorry I AT FIRST missed what I think was what I think was the reason you first posted.
I NOW think you posted for moral support from who you consider friends in what you considered a NO win trip trying to save the bird or end it's suffering.
I guess it depends on the readers point of view at any time.
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Something was/IS bothering you that you have no control over,BIG TIME
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YOU needed to VENT AMONG Friends for support-make you feel better,help you deal with it.
Instead you got US telling you how to deal with the bird,you are catching crap instead of feeling sympathy or understanding.
Sorry I AT FIRST missed what I think was what I think was the reason you first posted.
I NOW think you posted for moral support from who you consider friends in what you considered a NO win trip trying to save the bird or end it's suffering.
I guess it depends on the readers point of view at any time.
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smokemaster said:
Ok, so don't jump all over me for this (or do, whatever), but I meant pick up a phone book, then drop it on the bird. No calls involved (who uses a phone book for calls anymore?). Was just tryin' to say there it's not exactly a state-regulated lethal injection here and there are simpler solutions at hand. But, alas, I'm just at the keyboard so I will bow out [not so] gracefully
I never jumped on anyone,or intended to.
I never thought about tossing a phone book over the fence to put the bird out of it's misery.
I thought you meant to call whoever to get them to get the bird...
The guy was bummed about a bird that he couldn't do anything about.
He has been watching it for a while...thinks it's suffering.
I don't see myself personally as getting bummed about it,but I do see others who do have that mindset.
I live in tree hugger country and know several people who would feel like the original poster does.
I'd personally either kill the bird or ignore it-since it is what it is...
Not even close to your post about a dying deer on the side of the road.
Road kill is free Venison.
(In Northern CA. My sisters daughter hit a deer,TOTALED the car.
My Brother in law caught crap because he wanted to harvest the meat.
Law guys waited until he skinned and gutted it to tell him he couldn't have the meat.Guess who probably got the meat?).
While living on the south rim of the grand canyon,we found a LOT of injured cattle,sheep and deer on the way to Flag. in the EARLY morning runs there during roundup in the fall..Animals with broken legs or ribs from getting grazed by trucks or whatever.
Always carried a firearm to harvest the animal/meat.
Not into dead road kill,but a still kicking animal was fresh meat.
Lots of trucks hit animals on the highway between Flag and the rim.
NEVER use a rifle to kill a road hit.
They will accuse you hunted it/poached it if they don't like your looks or think you have the $ to pay a fine.
Nobody used a pistol in general to hunt illegally.
I did like hunting pigs with my .44 mag. here though.
I like my .35 rem. or .44 mag. lever actions(Ruger and Marlin) just as well.
IF a sheriff or warden stopped us,they took the animal.
They were easily seen as hit by a vehicle THEN shot.
Never got hassled...
If not confiscated, it was BBQ time for me and my crew.
We loved digging a hole,filling it with coals and tossing in a sheep or calf.
I guess we did it like you'd do a pig.
I lived for a while in a line shack,after round up Sheep and calves showed up.
Ranchers said Q them,not worth feeding all winter(8500ft).
Deer showed up all winter to eat the left over alfalfa from roundup.
It was a VERY good life.
Scovie who pissed in your cornflakes?
I didn't...or didn't think I was on your ass.
15 deer?
I guess your state has a lot looser laws on filling the freezer,possession limits.
I have no idea about your deer population.
Do you raise deer on your property for harvest?
Just wondering.
IF you think I'm against hunting you are very wrong.
I tanned hides and made a living doing so a while back.
When the powers that be checked me out I HAD to show tags etc. for EVERY hide I had in possesion.
I had a biz license as a leather shop-got checked out often.
They didn't want me doing work for spotlighters etc.
IF my freezer had 20ft of ribs or whatever I'd get busted.
I wasn't a butcher and had to only have a couple deers worth of meat in possesion.
I could have an extra limit since I shoot black powder and during the regular season.
Still no where near 15 deer a year legally.
I do some pretty good leather work,if I do say so myself.
I do everything hand made.
I loved Rondevu/Rondevous.
Followed them around for a few years.
As I said, I NEVER intended to upset anyone.
Never intended to do so from the start.
Just posted according to what the guy might think about from what I got from his posts.
I never thought about tossing a phone book over the fence to put the bird out of it's misery.
I thought you meant to call whoever to get them to get the bird...
The guy was bummed about a bird that he couldn't do anything about.
He has been watching it for a while...thinks it's suffering.
I don't see myself personally as getting bummed about it,but I do see others who do have that mindset.
I live in tree hugger country and know several people who would feel like the original poster does.
I'd personally either kill the bird or ignore it-since it is what it is...
Not even close to your post about a dying deer on the side of the road.
Road kill is free Venison.
(In Northern CA. My sisters daughter hit a deer,TOTALED the car.
My Brother in law caught crap because he wanted to harvest the meat.
Law guys waited until he skinned and gutted it to tell him he couldn't have the meat.Guess who probably got the meat?).
While living on the south rim of the grand canyon,we found a LOT of injured cattle,sheep and deer on the way to Flag. in the EARLY morning runs there during roundup in the fall..Animals with broken legs or ribs from getting grazed by trucks or whatever.
Always carried a firearm to harvest the animal/meat.
Not into dead road kill,but a still kicking animal was fresh meat.
Lots of trucks hit animals on the highway between Flag and the rim.
NEVER use a rifle to kill a road hit.
They will accuse you hunted it/poached it if they don't like your looks or think you have the $ to pay a fine.
Nobody used a pistol in general to hunt illegally.
I did like hunting pigs with my .44 mag. here though.
I like my .35 rem. or .44 mag. lever actions(Ruger and Marlin) just as well.
IF a sheriff or warden stopped us,they took the animal.
They were easily seen as hit by a vehicle THEN shot.
Never got hassled...
If not confiscated, it was BBQ time for me and my crew.
We loved digging a hole,filling it with coals and tossing in a sheep or calf.
I guess we did it like you'd do a pig.
I lived for a while in a line shack,after round up Sheep and calves showed up.
Ranchers said Q them,not worth feeding all winter(8500ft).
Deer showed up all winter to eat the left over alfalfa from roundup.
It was a VERY good life.
Scovie who pissed in your cornflakes?
I didn't...or didn't think I was on your ass.
15 deer?
I guess your state has a lot looser laws on filling the freezer,possession limits.
I have no idea about your deer population.
Do you raise deer on your property for harvest?
Just wondering.
IF you think I'm against hunting you are very wrong.
I tanned hides and made a living doing so a while back.
When the powers that be checked me out I HAD to show tags etc. for EVERY hide I had in possesion.
I had a biz license as a leather shop-got checked out often.
They didn't want me doing work for spotlighters etc.
IF my freezer had 20ft of ribs or whatever I'd get busted.
I wasn't a butcher and had to only have a couple deers worth of meat in possesion.
I could have an extra limit since I shoot black powder and during the regular season.
Still no where near 15 deer a year legally.
I do some pretty good leather work,if I do say so myself.
I do everything hand made.
I loved Rondevu/Rondevous.
Followed them around for a few years.
As I said, I NEVER intended to upset anyone.
Never intended to do so from the start.
Just posted according to what the guy might think about from what I got from his posts.
Thank You Smokemaster. At least a couple of you understand. I know better than to post anything like this again.smokemaster said:
I shouldn't have come on quite so strong. My bad for that. I don't like seeing animals suffer either. That's why that bird would have been "dispatched" within 5 minutes of seeing it. Where we live, north central WA, we are in the middle of the highest Mule Deer population in North America. We have approximately 2000 permanent year round residents and are far outnumbered by Deer. Cars, trucks, even motorcycles hit them all the time and they seldom die right away. It is illegal as shit here to shoot deer on the side of the road but there is kind of an unwritten rule (don't tell anyone I said this) if an animal is suffering, shoot it, but leave it there and report it. The state comes by almost daily and picks up the carcasses off the side of the road. And I hate Deer meat. I know i am the odd man out, especially where I live, lol but I just cant eat it. I much prefer Elk.
Don't even get me started about how many Deer we've all seen walking around with arrows sticking out of their asses because the idiots from Seattle come over for hunting season and want to act like Rambo for the weekend. Assholes standing on the side of the road flinging arrows towards the sky hoping to hit a Deer 1000 yards away. Like some sick version of target practice.
I apologize for my harshness. I really don't like to see animals suffer either, and will do just about anything in my power to prevent it.
Don't even get me started about how many Deer we've all seen walking around with arrows sticking out of their asses because the idiots from Seattle come over for hunting season and want to act like Rambo for the weekend. Assholes standing on the side of the road flinging arrows towards the sky hoping to hit a Deer 1000 yards away. Like some sick version of target practice.
I apologize for my harshness. I really don't like to see animals suffer either, and will do just about anything in my power to prevent it.
Thanks Scovie. If I could I would have shot the gull but it is in an industrial area of the city not the countryside. I have been around weapons my entire life and I used to shoot bench rest a little with my Ruger M-77V in .22-250 Remington. It's a little loud to take over there and put an injured animal out of it's misery. The bird sanctuary said they would look at it if I could catch it and bring it in but catching a large bird in a big paved lot with lots of wood pallets around for it to run into would be very difficult. I am no tree hugger by any means I just have a big heart for animals.
PMD, that's definitely a tough situation. Chasing it could cause it to hurt itself thus, more suffering. And i know here or more specifically, in the city of Seattle, shooting a Seagull injured or not is something like a $5000 fine and up to a year in jail (I could be wrong about that but you get the idea). It could require a little more stealth on the human side since no one seems to be all that anxious to assist in the situation. A pump action Pellet pistol perhaps? If you could get within 20 feet of the bird, that could end it. Hopefully the bird humane people will come and all will end well.
Here's the flip side... If it were a Bald Eagle, you would have every known (and even some unknown) gubment agency their to save the bird, believe me, I know. We had a Bald Eagle nest on our property many years ago, and I was cleaning debris when i saw a head and beak look up at me. The baby eagle was flapping its wings jumping up and down in the nest when the nest fell apart and the youngster fell down. The parent eagles were distressed flying around in circles. I didn't know what to do, of course it was a Sunday, but I found the number to a Wildlife rescue organization, told her what happened and within 3 hours there were 5 vehicles from three different organizations and about 15 people in our driveway.
Well, to make a very long (and very cool) story short, the next day this tree/forest/wildlife expert came out and rebuilt the nest using rope and lumber I had laying around. They put Schuppa (we named the baby) in a rook sack pulled him up with a rope and put the adolescent eagle back in the nest. First time ever in the state of Washington. Once he climbed down, he climbed up another tree about 50 feet away and mounted a remote control camera and handed me the button. They wanted pictures of the parents feeding the youngster to ensure it wasn't rejected. Schuppa was not rejected, and as far as I know he is still doing well somewhere over there on Puget Sound.
Sorry for the tangent, but it is just a success story that actually happened and we were lucky enough to be apart of.
Here's the flip side... If it were a Bald Eagle, you would have every known (and even some unknown) gubment agency their to save the bird, believe me, I know. We had a Bald Eagle nest on our property many years ago, and I was cleaning debris when i saw a head and beak look up at me. The baby eagle was flapping its wings jumping up and down in the nest when the nest fell apart and the youngster fell down. The parent eagles were distressed flying around in circles. I didn't know what to do, of course it was a Sunday, but I found the number to a Wildlife rescue organization, told her what happened and within 3 hours there were 5 vehicles from three different organizations and about 15 people in our driveway.
Well, to make a very long (and very cool) story short, the next day this tree/forest/wildlife expert came out and rebuilt the nest using rope and lumber I had laying around. They put Schuppa (we named the baby) in a rook sack pulled him up with a rope and put the adolescent eagle back in the nest. First time ever in the state of Washington. Once he climbed down, he climbed up another tree about 50 feet away and mounted a remote control camera and handed me the button. They wanted pictures of the parents feeding the youngster to ensure it wasn't rejected. Schuppa was not rejected, and as far as I know he is still doing well somewhere over there on Puget Sound.
Sorry for the tangent, but it is just a success story that actually happened and we were lucky enough to be apart of.
Thanks my friend. Funny that you brought up the eagle story as I told my wife the same thing. If it were a bird of prey they would come right out. Helping a bird should be the same regardless of the breed or the "worth" of the bird in my opinion. A lowly Seagull is just a scavenger to them obviously. If I worked at a bird sanctuary I would use my own car and my own resources to save an injured bird. Isn't that why you would work at a sanctuary? Makes me shake my head. 
Sad but true. We humans grade our "worth" or "value" on an animals "majesticness" lol (I think I just made that word up). But then that brings us down the food chain, so to speak, to the lowly little mouse, which I despise. See... I am doing it right there... Judging. I mean, I would never go out of my way to kill a mouse in the wild, in fact I would do my best to avoid it. But when they build a nest in the heater of my truck.... WAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! I would damn near blow up my own truck to kill those little bastards. lol
Oh hell, I was just offering a way to end it's suffering quickly. Not to be cruel. If you can't shoot the damn bird go grab it and break it's neck? Or just realise that nature is cruel and shit happens?
I called an organization that has volunteers and they are going to get someone out here to get this injured seagull next door. Finally someone who cares! She thanked me and I said it was cruel how all these others ask you to catch it and bring it in.
It's still there?!
Yes it is Dash. Broken wing bit still physically strong. They will euthanize it I was told as apparently a broken wing is not repairable I guess.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this bird has been hanging out in a parking lot for a week and no one from your building or your adjacent building took it upon themselves to do something? (phone book, pellet gun, allka-seltzer, whatever…) As I said in my first post, it probably wouldn't look good to go out and murder a bird during business hours, but surely SOMEONE could've stayed late, or come back after hours and put the poor thing out of its misery.
I just don't understand how people (either animal control, or workers in the other building who saw the bird every day) can justify not doing the right thing and ending the bird's misery.
I just don't understand how people (either animal control, or workers in the other building who saw the bird every day) can justify not doing the right thing and ending the bird's misery.
I don't know Dash. They probably thought nothing of it as there are literally thousands of Seagulls in the area as we are very close to a landfill and the bay. Its out back as well where there are not a lot of people.
I was sick yesterday so I missed work and when I came in today I looked out back and the gull was still here. So I called again and the lady said she had no volunteers in the area but would post it again. I got a call a few minutes later from a man who was onsite to catch it and another, younger one that was injured as well. God bless him for taking the initiative to come out and get them when nobody else would. I admire people with a big heart like that.