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fermenting Jacob's Pepper Mash

A little late, but as promised here is a thread showing how I make my pepper mash. Aging the peppers makes an excellent sauce. Real smooth flavor and no vinegar, which I like. Never been a fan of a hot sauce where you only taste vinegar.

The bacteria needed to acidify the mash and turn it into a great sauce is naturally occuring and can be found everywhere. The key is to give it an environment to thrive before the bad bacteria and molds get a foot hold. The age old method is to add canning salt to the peppers to about 10-15% by weight cover with a layer of salt and let age. I am a little paranoid, so I use a starter to get mine going. Some people use kefir for this, but I prefir sourdough hooch. You can make this by mixing 1 cup of flour to 1 cup of distilled water and let sit for a day. Then throw half of it out and add 1/2 cup flour and 1/2 cup distilled water to the half you kept. Repeat everyday until it starts to bubble and smells sour with a beer smell to it. Then it can be kept in the fridge and "fed" once a week or so by following the same process as when you started it. Now, the hooch is the liquid that seperates from the flour/water mixture.

Here is a picture of my hooch. Notice the hooch on the top. It is dark, smells like alcohol, and full of the good stuff to get your mash going.
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Now that you have your starter, time to make the mash. I prefer to add everything together to ferment and acidify so there is no need to add vinegar later. Like I said, I prefer the taste of the peppers, not vinegar. You can add whatever you like to it to get the flavor profile you like.

The bounty I pulled from:
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So, here is the recipe I used:

By weight

6 oz Hot peppers (mixture of trinidad congo, caribbean red, marouga red, red devil's tongue, couple 7 pots, scorpions)
2 oz white onions
1 oz carrots
1 oz tomato

add to that

2 medium cloves of garlic
1 tbsp canning salt

Wash everything real good, deseed peppers if you wish (I do), and put in a blender with 1/4 cup distilled water and chop finely.

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Now it is ready to add to the container that will hold your mash. Some people use carboys with the water locks, expensive fermentation crocks, but I use regular quart canning jars. Don't worry about pressure build up in these, you don't seal them so the air will escape rather easily.

The recipe above yeilds about 1 cup of mash. I put it in the jar and add distilled water to about 1" from the top. Then add about 1 - 1 1/2 tbsps of the hooch to the jar. Place the top on the jar and give it a shake to mix the contents. I store it in a cabinet to "cook" for about 6-8 weeks. Don't forget to write the start date on the jar.

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Now on to the good stuff. Here is the mash finished fermenting and ready to finish. This was the first one trying out this recipe so it was only a half batch to see if I liked it before making a lot.
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a Ph measurement
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and after cooking down, I yeilded 2 about 2 1/2 woozies of a wonderful sauce.
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End result is a wonderfully tasting sauce that is smooth, not overpowering and goes great with about anything. A real winner. I currently have 6 jars at various stages right now and will do several more before it is done. I hope this helps anyone who is interested in trying this and thanks for looking!

jacob
 
jjs - That is AMAZING. You weren't kidding when you told me it was almost black. How long did it have to sit to get that black? BTW the finished sauce looks amazing. Do you strain the seeds out in the finished product? I thought about doing that because I figure between 6-8 weeks the seeds have served their purpose. I sure hope my test sauce comes out as good as yours.
I was a little late feeding that one. It was about 3 weeks instead of the usually 1 or 2. :oops: Kept meaning to start a batch of mash and wanted to that before I dump half of the microbes, and took longer than I thought before I could get to it. I actually deseed my peppers when I chop them up. Cuts the heat down a bit, but I just use hotter peppers so I don't have to strain.

Okay this is my first pic. I started it this morning in a salsa jar but when I came home in the afternoon, it was fizzing out all over the bench so I moved it into an old coffe jar with one of those plug type lids which is ideal cause it loosely seals itself when it's not letting air out.
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An old trick I used from my home brewing days, I clean everything first with unscented bleach/water mix then rinse and I don't touch again cause it will contaminate the cleanliness. I added more mix so it is 400ml measure of flour and 400ml of distilled water. It's already looking dark in the water so I think it is gonna work out fine. It's bubbling quite a bit.

Did you use a yeast starter? If so that is probably why it bubbled over. It takes no time at all to make a mess. You can go ahead and store it in the fridge to slow down the bacteria and keep it from bubbling too much.

Good Luck
jacob
 
i'm making my own hooch. i started a couple of days ago and i've been dumping out half and topping off with the same amount. it started bubbling but now i have a layer of liquid under the dough mixture... any idea why that happened? could it be that i added too much water? will the liquid rise to the top if i put it in the fridge?
thanks in advance!
 
Aram - I to had that issue. It does eventually get to the top though. One thing you could do which will also help the hooch, is to stir the liquid back in to the mixture. Good luck.

jjs - Yes I did use a yeast starter when I was making my hooch. I just couldn't get it to go any other way and that worked best for me. :) Cant wait to do this again but on a much larger scale.
 
Jacob, no yeast used on mine, it's prob!ly the persistent heat up here that made it go so quickly. I think I'll change over some of the mix tomorrow then fridge it. Can't wait for my peppers to ripen to give it a go.
 
Hows your mash's going Jacob?
It's got a good amount of bubbles going now. It is at about the halfway point and looking good so far. I have a batch of mash made from yellow 7's should be ready in about another week or 2. I can't wait to try that one!


Great stuff Jacob! I despise vinegar so I will have to try this next season. Thanks for the step by step.
Yeah, the vinegar thing is the whole reason I tried this the first time. Now I'm hooked.

If I can scare up enough peppers I think I'll give this a shot too. Thanks for the step by step instructions.

I really is a wonderful way to process peppers. Doesn't replace my powders and flakes, but no more vinegar for me! If you need any more peppers to give this a try, just PM me. I'm sure I have a few extra.
 
So jjs, obviously it took a while to get your hooch like that. Now I know starting out you can make the batch let sit for 24 hrs., then day 2 remove half and replace that with fresh ingredients and repeat for day 3 then let sit. Now can you just let it sit and keep mixing the hooch that does surface back into the mix or do you also have to keep doing the remove/add routine? My thought is this, let me know if Im wrong or not...
Day1 - Make batch
Day2 - Remove half and replace with fresh ingredients
Day3 - Remove half and replace with fresh ingredients
Day4-Day11 - Remove any hooch that may have developed put into separate container. Get rid of half of the mix and replenish with fresh ingredients. Then stir hooch back into the mix.
Day12-Day19 - Remove any hooch that may have developed put into separate container. Get rid of half of the mix and replenish with fresh ingredients. Then stir hooch back into the mix.
Repeat Day12-Day19 every week.

Would that work? Is that pretty much what you had done? Im thinking while I am at it and if I have the ability, I will age so 6+ month old hooch for next season.
 
I never removed the hooch when I fed it. I just stirred it back it then dumped half out. I would think there would be a higher concentration of microbes in the flour as that is what they feed on and even though you are essentially getting rid of half of the bacteriain the mix when you feed it, it takes no time at all for them to replenish themselves given the right conditions.

If I remember correctly, it took about 6 or 7 days to be ready then after that last feeding, I put it in the fridge. I let it sit another week before I used it to make my first batch. Once it gets started, it doesn't take long to get the counts up on the lactobascillus.

jacob
 
awesome thanks a lot for the info. Im going to try to see if I can get some hooch like that. Now if you stop doing the routine with replenishing the ingredients will the bacteria eventually die since it is not getting "fresh food"?
 
A note the hooch is toxic to the yeast(It's the yeasts waste), not sure how it affects the lactobacilli. But not pouring out any will negatively affect the yeast. It's a little like have a pet hamster and only ever putting in new food, and never cleaning out the cage. In the case of the hamster it would die after a bit. In the case of the starter you'll get lack luster leavening. Though it could die if don't make much bread.

However if you are baking with your sour dough fairly often. Say once or twice a week ,then no worries at all. Since it's the same as dumping some. If your sour starter is only for the lactobacilli(mash, pickles) then it also may not apply since I have no clue on how it affects them.
 
I never removed the hooch when I fed it. I just stirred it back it then dumped half out. I would think there would be a higher concentration of microbes in the flour as that is what they feed on and even though you are essentially getting rid of half of the bacteriain the mix when you feed it, it takes no time at all for them to replenish themselves given the right conditions.

If I remember correctly, it took about 6 or 7 days to be ready then after that last feeding, I put it in the fridge. I let it sit another week before I used it to make my first batch. Once it gets started, it doesn't take long to get the counts up on the lactobascillus.

jacob

So then if someone were to want to make enough hooch for a large sum of jars or large containers you would either...
1) add more distilled water but making sure to not have the mix get to wet and/or
2) make a larger batch which should produce a higher quantity of hooch.

Those would both be correct statements then right?
 
Adding a little more water will create more hooch, but you could also put the half you take out in a new jar and add fresh ingredients to both jars easily doubling your starter which would give you a bigger batch. How much are you planning on making?

jacob
 
Well I think maybe ill start with the one jar. I just also want to make sure I have enough for next year if i need a lot. Guess Ill play it buy ear and see what happens.
 
Aram - I to had that issue. It does eventually get to the top though. One thing you could do which will also help the hooch, is to stir the liquid back in to the mixture. Good luck.

Thanks crazy. How much hooch do you add to your mash? I have 1 quart jars and they're about half full each. I put 5 ml of hooch (1 tspn) in each, do you think that's enough or should i add some more?
 
Okay this is my first pic. I started it this morning in a salsa jar but when I came home in the afternoon, it was fizzing out all over the bench so I moved it into an old coffe jar with one of those plug type lids which is ideal cause it loosely seals itself when it's not letting air out.

IMG00157-20101027-1844.jpg



An old trick I used from my home brewing days, I clean everything first with unscented bleach/water mix then rinse and I don't touch again cause it will contaminate the cleanliness. I added more mix so it is 400ml measure of flour and 400ml of distilled water. It's already looking dark in the water so I think it is gonna work out fine. It's bubbling quite a bit.

I am going to give this a try tonight....only time will tell.
 
Hey this is great, I've made several Sourdough starters over the years and never would have thought to use the Hooch this way. If you like your sourdough a little more sour you can take a small potato and a small onion, leave the skin on, and boil them till the potato disintegrates. Take it off the heat and when cool remove the skin and put them in the blender or food processor and blend till smooth. Put into your container 50/50 with flour. A packet of bread yeast will give it a kick start and then just do like Jacob says above. After about 3 months of care it’s mellowed and ready to make some of the best bread and rolls around. And the hooch will most like likely have a stronger flavor too, a real yeasty beer kind of flavor that would go great with some more savory sauces. Oh, before you ask, yes I have tasted the hooch. The old Sourdoughs in Alaska used to drink it too. Don't think I'd want to get toasted on it though. Can't wait to try this.
 
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