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Jeff H's 2014 glog- Season ending harvest pics.

Okay, time to kick this growing year off. First a pic from last year of the hydroponic scorpion right before I added it to the compost pile. The plant was so productive with 4 gallon freezer bags stuffed plus more already dried that not only did I decide to not overwinter it, but TSBTs won't be on the grow list next year. This was truly a beast and by far my most productive plant. IIRC, it was over 5' tall and just about as wide when hte branches were heavy with pods.
 
It was started about this time last year, so it is about time to start some of those pesky slower growing plants if I want them this big next year.
 
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All good things come to an end. The plants will be chopped up and mixed with the leaves for compost.
 
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Okay, with that out of the way, let's get started on next year.
 
First, a shot of some of the over winter plants in the upstairs window sill. I just plan on keeping them alive here with no real growth expected until I put them outside next year. The two small plants are scorpion clones from the monster. I still don't think they will make the grow next year, but I just couldn't kill it without taking a couple clones. Other overwinters in this pic include a ghost pepper, hot paper lantern hab, tabasco pepper, my largest and most productive giant jalapeno and a couple of others.
 
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Now down into the grow room for an overall shot of what I am doing this year. The flood table is new, but everything else is the same from last year. Same 600W MH light and same mylar on the walls.
 
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Now at this point, let me take a minute to explain that there is no organic soil in anything I brought inside, nor anything that I plan to plant this year. Everything will be hydroponic in one way or another. Even the plants upstairs. My soil for all plants not in the flood table is 50/50 perlite and peat moss. I water them with hydro nutes every few days, but probably can get away with once a week or so. Soil drains really well but the peat moss holds a decent amount of moisture. I'm hoping that we have no issues with root rot this year. I'm also betting that fungus gnats won't like this fast drying soil either. Well that and the mosquito dunks that will be in the hydro water if those bastards do show up again this year.
 
A close up of the "soil". Look at all that great perlite.

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Now, looking at the plants in the flood table, the perlite/pete moss is about 80/20 and I flood hte table once a day. As it is, there is probably too much pete in the soil because the grow bags stay soaked all the time and I'm going to have mold issues. I need to rethink this, but this is what I have for now.
 
Here they are the day it was installed on Oct 21st.
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Here they are a week later (last night). You can't really see it, but there are a couple of tiny growth nodes on the ghost pepper (big pot on the left) and the paper lantern in the black pot. No sign of growth on the monzano yet, but if you look close at the pot, you can see what looks like mold starting. I tossed a cup of H2O2 into the rez last night to kill it if it was mold. We'll see. Maybe plastic air pruning pots would be better suited, or giant net cups.
 
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That is all for now. Join me back on the next update. I'm working hot and heavy on some clones and other projects that aren't quite ready to be photographed yet. Soon though.
 
When I was fighting the excess nitrogen issue the leaves formed normal in shape, but they were lacking chlorophyll. Affected early growth most, but some older leaves also showed some issues. (I was using 12-8-8 diluted 50% on TOP of slow release potting soil.. whoops). The leaf perimeter formed slower than the inner leaf tissue causing them to bubble up and curl down slightly. 
 
The issue is self-correcting in my case; the leaves have turned green (DARK green) and normal shaped now. The perimeter has expanded out now on those and the leaves are looking normal.
 
Your misshapen leaves might need to get pruned.. I might wait a bit though and see. I had plenty of misshapen leaves last year due to various issues early on; and the plants still grew enormous and produced. Eventually the damaged / misshapen leaves dropped off on their own and new ones grew in.
 
If you prune them off you're going to halt growth until the plant rebuilds them... so might be better (from a production standpoint) to leave things be.
 
I get some funky looking leaves here and there, they normally work themselves out. My experience with mites is the very new growth gets a rust to it, and is damaged. I even had a plant topped last season from mites.
 
I'm watching the affected plants closely.
 
HillBilly Jeff said:
I haven't checked my forecast that far out, but I am pretty sure your temps have mine all beat to pieces.  Don't know about your plant issues.
 
The 10 day now goes out to Mother's day weekend, but not all the way to Mother's day yet. Soooooooo tempting to put them in the ground with this forecast. I'll try to hold off though. Definitely bringing them out from under the covered deck and giving them full sun a little later this week.
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TrentL said:
When I was fighting the excess nitrogen issue the leaves formed normal in shape, but they were lacking chlorophyll. Affected early growth most, but some older leaves also showed some issues. (I was using 12-8-8 diluted 50% on TOP of slow release potting soil.. whoops). The leaf perimeter formed slower than the inner leaf tissue causing them to bubble up and curl down slightly. 
 
The issue is self-correcting in my case; the leaves have turned green (DARK green) and normal shaped now. The perimeter has expanded out now on those and the leaves are looking normal.
 
Your misshapen leaves might need to get pruned.. I might wait a bit though and see. I had plenty of misshapen leaves last year due to various issues early on; and the plants still grew enormous and produced. Eventually the damaged / misshapen leaves dropped off on their own and new ones grew in.
 
If you prune them off you're going to halt growth until the plant rebuilds them... so might be better (from a production standpoint) to leave things be.
 
Something definitely going on with some of them. Just going to give them straight water for a while and if it is a deficiency from over fertilization, it will correct itself. Going to spray for mites again too. Can't be too sure they are dead since you can't see them.
 
Devv said:
I get some funky looking leaves here and there, they normally work themselves out. My experience with mites is the very new growth gets a rust to it, and is damaged. I even had a plant topped last season from mites.
 
I'm watching the affected plants closely.
 
Yep, me too. I'm thinking that I'll spray them one last time with my oil and soap spray just in case there are mites, then they are on their own.
 
There is an interesting conversation going on over in the pest thread about how AACT will help control pests. Thought provoking.
 
Jeff, AACT does work: don't know about spider mites. Scott's recipe "Death by Rosemary" would work, I think. What I've seen AACT do is increase bene pop that eat the negative. Even weak applications foster a great enviro for ladybugs and braconid wasps.
 
Go home today and saw what I was afraid of, dying growth tips. Narrowed down my diagnosis to one thing, friggin mites. I wasn't sure that was what the damage was until today.
 
 
Got out the sprayer and saturated the plants with my emulsified oil spray. Compost tea would be an option but I don't have any ready.
 
Damn mites
 
Note to self, I need to sanitize the grow room and all my pots before next winter. They keep coming back from somewhere.

I still do see signs of over fertilization, but the leaf damage seems to be friggin mites.
 
Jeff H said:
 
Note to self, I need to sanitize the grow room and all my pots before next winter. They keep coming back from somewhere.

I still do see signs of over fertilization, but the leaf damage seems to be friggin mites.
 
Doesn't it take a microscope to tell for sure if it's mites?
 
Lots of nutrient deficiencies can cause dead tips and necrosis:
 
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(two of them I mentioned earlier; zinc causes necrosis and copper will cause the curl)
Straight up potassium deficiency does everything above too... 
 
Definitely keeping an eye out here to find out whether the final verdict is nute lockout or mites.... sorry to hear about your issues Jeff, but sure you'll get a handle on them. Cheers!
 
TrentL said:
 
Doesn't it take a microscope to tell for sure if it's mites?
 
Lots of nutrient deficiencies can cause dead tips and necrosis:
 
http://5e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=5&id=289

(two of them I mentioned earlier; zinc causes necrosis and copper will cause the curl)

Straight up potassium deficiency does everything above too... 
 
You make some good points and you are entirely correct about not being able to see the mites. I was telling myself last night that I really needed to get one of those little stamp magnifying glasses that Rick has so that I could be certain.
 
I am really treating the plants for both issues since I am only watering them with straight water (no fert). If it is a nutrient issue, it will straighten itself out. If it is mite related, I will exterminate them.
 
stickman said:
Definitely keeping an eye out here to find out whether the final verdict is nute lockout or mites.... sorry to hear about your issues Jeff, but sure you'll get a handle on them. Cheers!
 
I don't know if I will ever find out for sure until I break down and get a magnifying glass. Where did you get yours, and how powerful is it?
I wonder if 30X is enough?
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I got a lighted 30x magnifier Jeff... I'm told that's enough... according to this 420 site they're 0.1 to 0.2 mm in size as adults, and 30x should be enough for that. Good luck guy!
 
8 days until dirt day...maybe. I'm aiming for the Saturday before Mother's day since I will likely be busy on Mother's day.
 
Temperatures look promising, but the rain doesn't. We'll see how this plays out.
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stickman said:
I got a lighted 30x magnifier Jeff... I'm told that's enough... according to this 420 site they're 0.1 to 0.2 mm in size as adults, and 30x should be enough for that. Good luck guy!
 
I found a 60x at Overstocked.com with reasonable shipping. It is on the way to me now. No more guessing if it is mites or nutrient issues.
 
Pretty much the same boat here, Jeff. Waiting for >50F nights before I put the babies out. 
 
The rain will be good when they finally do go in the dirt, keep them from getting shocked if the ground is nice and wet. :)
 
That forecast looks great!
 
How are your soil temps? I think that gave me more issues this spring than the temps, but it only bothered the Chinense. The tomatoes and Annuum's didn't care.
 
Temps are looking good. I am going to check mine again tonight, but have been close to frost around May 20th the last two seasons, so I will be holding off no matter how much I want to get them in the ground.....a lot of work to lose em now.
 
Good luck to you!!!!
 
Okay, Pubes are in the dirt and mulched.
 
Front 3 are red rocotos and the back 3 are Monzanos.
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Irrigation system down.
 
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Tomatoes are in the ground too.
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Getting the staking moving.
 
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The pubes shortly before they were planted.
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Mostly Chinense and a big tomato out front.
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Annuums
 
 
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I think that is 10 unless I lost track
 
stickman said:
 Bumpity?
 
Thanks Rick, just really had my worm farm to show. I don't think I have photographed them before.
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Chopped up leaves and kitchen vegetable scraps and egg shells+ worms. Not a lot of worms yet, but I'm working on it. Should make nice compost tea later in the year.
 
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Devv said:
Woot!
 
Dirt day!
 
Lovin' it!
 
Once again WOOT!
 
Thanks Scott. Most of the peppers will be at the end of the week if I can wait that long, but something had to go in the ground today with all this nice weather. :D
 
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