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Bicycle808 said:
The only problem with a counter suit is that you can't get blood from a stone. If that person has no money to cover your expenses you are outta luck.
There are plenty of verified stories out there of someone breaking into a home, injuring themselves in the process, then proceeding to sue the homeowner. I've never understood how that is even allowed to happen considering the circumstances, but it does. As much as I want to say, go for it because it's your property and anyone who eats one got what they deserved because they both trespassed and stole, it is simply not worth the potential civil disaster that could ensue.
VCoupe373ci said:
And that right there sums up exactly why this happens in our society... Because we are scared little sheep, who will accept being punished for having done no wrong.
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If you had half the backbone of the criminal, and were willing to make a stand, this wouldn't be a problem. But alas, we want our nice corporate sponsored things, and are scared to death at the though of losing them.
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Where's Tyler Durden when you need him?
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"Potential civil disaster"... hot peppers. SMH
Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying, Vcoupe373ci, and I believe your statement is factually accurate, but it's philosophically incongruent with my personal 武士の道.
Plus, so far, I've been eating them all the moment they get ripe. These litigious drunks/middle school students are gonna have to wake up pretty early in the morning, if they want to get those SuperHots before I do.
Plus, so far, I've been eating them all the moment they get ripe. These litigious drunks/middle school students are gonna have to wake up pretty early in the morning, if they want to get those SuperHots before I do.
solid7 said:
I agree with you, but I nor my mindset are the problem. The litigious society we have become and the "something for nothing" mentality so many have is the problem. I have assets to lose in a lawsuit and I also do not want to have to invest the time or money into an attorney to defend me from a frivolous lawsuit by someone looking for an easy payday. The time and money aside, many of the people with the sue happy mindset don't have a pot to piss in so a counter suit would be nothing but a waste of time and more of my money. Until steps are taken (not holding my breath) to stop frivolous lawsuits from turning innocent people into potential victims I will err on the side of caution and grow my peppers out back. The beauty of the freedoms we have in the US are that you not only don't have to agree with me, but you can plant your reapers in your front yard with a sign reading "free candy" if you want.
I just chalk that up to priorities. Having your assets, vs having the freedom to hold onto them, by pushing back (and hard) against those who would challenge for them. Whatever you like. I guess that means we have 2 distinct camps here: 1 group who is governed by "stuff", and another who is governed by principle. (ever noticed that throughout history, people with principle always manage to fight harder for what they want, than the people with "stuff"?)
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I have worked for a lot of corporations. Every single one of them, on multiple occasions, have I seen caving into the pressure of legal threats, in supremely winnable cases. (through short term thinking they put a "right now" price tag on the matter) In doing so, they have set a dangerous and costly precedent for others. And not unsurprisingly, they end up settling the same type of complaints, for similar amounts of money, over and over again. If I actually found myself as the focus of such a complaint, I'd gladly take one for the team. Did I put the peppers out there for you? No. Now go fuck yourself. Next time I'll lace them with laxative.
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I'm not sure if I can think of anything in life that's worth having, if it's so easily taken away. I'm stubborn, though. I don't like being defined by my possessions. I prefer my idealism.
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I have worked for a lot of corporations. Every single one of them, on multiple occasions, have I seen caving into the pressure of legal threats, in supremely winnable cases. (through short term thinking they put a "right now" price tag on the matter) In doing so, they have set a dangerous and costly precedent for others. And not unsurprisingly, they end up settling the same type of complaints, for similar amounts of money, over and over again. If I actually found myself as the focus of such a complaint, I'd gladly take one for the team. Did I put the peppers out there for you? No. Now go fuck yourself. Next time I'll lace them with laxative.
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I'm not sure if I can think of anything in life that's worth having, if it's so easily taken away. I'm stubborn, though. I don't like being defined by my possessions. I prefer my idealism.
VCoupe373ci said:
I think you'd be surprised to find that even if you were ruled against in this state - the same one that I live in - nobody is taking anything from you, even if you decide not to pay. Especially not in a small potatoes civil suit. Eating stolen peppers in a trespass situation, is not a big money affair. It's crazy to put the fear of God into people over that. Given the sheer number of Caribbean, Afro-Caribbean, and Latinos in South Florida, who would even hear this in court, just based on the cultural aspect? (peppers are food, after all)
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It's unlikely that they'd win. It's unlikely that it would even go to court, if you actually made a proper police report, pressed charges, and filed a restraining order against the alleged victim. It literally makes no sense to advise people not to not plant out in their own yards, based on your gauge of the collective social temperature. That's not legal advice. It's fear. Irrational fear, no less...
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Quite to the contrary - planting in the front yard in Florida is stupid, not because of the legal threat - but because somebody might actually steal your peppers, and you won't get to enjoy them. I have yet to find a single food that isn't stolen from Florida gardens.
Thanks for all the opinions and ideas thrown out here. Im sure when I get older and could careless about money and what not Ill put them out front. For now though I think I want to keep my kids college fund safe and put them in the backyard. Im just proud how passionate you guys are about peppers and your freedoms For my next post I will ask what you think about religion... or maybe politics.... forget that lets talk about abortion.
Plus I have a feeling my wife would rip them right out of the ground anyways. I think she is going to freak out about the upcoming 8 five gallon buckets coming soon.
PepperWillie said:
I'm surprised your wife isn't into the chile propagation. My wife thinks I'm crazy for planting all these chiles in our tiny little yard, but she never asked be not to. She has her lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, herbs, zucchini, etc, so she's happy. And I've got like 170 chile plants, between my beds at home and the Community Gardens. I had a dream last night with a moment of clarity mixed in: I don't need to grow this much. I don't recall much of the dream aside from the fact that it contained that epiphany.
So, next year, I'm going to try to cut down to between 125 and 150.
But I'll still have between twelve and fourteen SuperHots in the front flower bed.
i chimed in early in this thread to say that my peppers are growing in a back yard that is shared with other neighbors which could be risky.
i would never have any superhot peppers in the front of my house but not for the reasons posted here, i live on a busy street with plenty of traffic and i`ve had plants stolen from my front porch. in my hood they won`t just take a pod, they will steal the whole plant.
i would never have any superhot peppers in the front of my house but not for the reasons posted here, i live on a busy street with plenty of traffic and i`ve had plants stolen from my front porch. in my hood they won`t just take a pod, they will steal the whole plant.
I've been lucky nothing's been stolen yet; my hood can be a little dicey. But it's mostly Irishmen and, with a few notable exceptions (for instance, me), the Irish don't seem to dig spice very much.
Here's some pics, just so you know the true proximity of my Supers to these pedestrians.
http://imgur.com/a/3ASuab2
Please excuse the sorry state of my plants and, really, my entire existence, lol.
Here's some pics, just so you know the true proximity of my Supers to these pedestrians.
http://imgur.com/a/3ASuab2
Please excuse the sorry state of my plants and, really, my entire existence, lol.
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words. I'm trying my hardest, and I am results so far, overall. You should see what some of Jersey's real gardeners can accomplish. I'm just a dedicated neophyte.acs1 said:Nice front bed, looks like some healthy plants...
With gardeners like you,,, no wonder New Jersey, is nicknamed the Garden State...
NJ is probably best known for the Turnpike, endless stretches of urban/suburban blight, and high population density. And, ask of that stuff is real. But it really does have a lot of farmland and forests and natural beauty, too.
I live in pretty much the southernmost tip of the almost uninterrupted dense suburbs that line the Eastern bank of Delaware; there are a few fairly isolated, decent-sized towns South of me but for the most part, the Garden starts there.... But there's a lot more going on in the controversially named "Central Jersey," at least stretch betwixt the lil megalopoli on the shores of the Atlantic and the Delaware. That's where they've been growing TFM Scotch Bonnets for a quarter century... Sandy Acres Farm in Hightstown, NJ.... Part of East Windsor Township.
I'm guessing you've never been to NJ?solid7 said:
Or not being able to pump your own gas... Or competition with New Yorkers for the title of "most obnoxious".
Motorcyclists pump our own gas.
NYers are obnoxious as hell, and the NJ suburbs by NYC are pretty much on the exact same level. Philadelphia sports fans can hold their own in almost any obnoxiousness competition, and my part of Jersey is 98% Phila sports fans, but...
The recent "Florida Man Challenge" trend kinda proved who really holds the crown for wanton & obnoxious depravity. We simply cannot compete with y'all, no matter how hard we try.
Ps- maybe they shouldn't allow Floridians to pump their own gasoline. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/naked-florida-man-accused-of-attempting-to-sling-urine-at-officers-outside-gas-station/2062508683
My brother in-law lives in NJ. I have been to NJ many many times. Not to mention travel through Newark airport. (voted the worst in the US)
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And any Florida based competition isn't fair, because half of our population is from your neck of the woods. Point one finger at me, and 4 back at you.
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At any rate, I'm just getting your goat. I know so many nice folks from NJ. It's just too easy to pick on you after that whole Jersey Shore affair. LOL
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And any Florida based competition isn't fair, because half of our population is from your neck of the woods. Point one finger at me, and 4 back at you.
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At any rate, I'm just getting your goat. I know so many nice folks from NJ. It's just too easy to pick on you after that whole Jersey Shore affair. LOL
The Jersey Shore folks are mostly from NYC, you know, the ppl featured prominently in the show. But I was in Tom's River, buying a used pickup truck, and my wife wanted to go to Seaside, which is just across the the bay from Tom's River, for lunch and to check out the beach for a minute. Neither of us has ever been there. Fyi, Seaside is where they filmed the TV show, The Jersey Shore.
And, holy shit, lunch was good (fish'n'chips), but most of the ppl we saw were late teens to mid-20s, and they actually appeared to be Jersey Shore ppl, as in, ppl like those that were depicted in the show. In terms of hair, clothing, general behavior.
I was kind of amazed. I've lived in NJ for all but two years of NY life, and I never knew those ppl actually existed in significant quantities. But there they were...
Fwiw, I've never spent a lot of time in Newark. My impressions of it are that it's crowded, smelly, and basically unpleasant. And i say this as a guy who has lived within ten miles of Camden for most of his life. I currently live in Gloucester City, known to its own residents as "G Shity" (sic), which is immediately south of Camden, directly across the river from South Phila. I KNOW dirtiness, well.. and even I'm a little skeeved out by Newark. But, I've met some very nice ppl are from there. And, it was the Brick City that have is Redman, so Planet Earth will forever owe that town a debt.
Old ppl in Florida come from all over the nation, to retire. Many from the Northeast and mid-Atlantic States, but from much of the Midwest, too. But the guys and gals with face tattoos of dragons and SpongeBob, using meth in public, wearing nothing but inflatable water wings ("swimmies") and making love to dead alligators in plain sight at rest stops? Those swamp ppl are pure Floridians, born and raised.
And, holy shit, lunch was good (fish'n'chips), but most of the ppl we saw were late teens to mid-20s, and they actually appeared to be Jersey Shore ppl, as in, ppl like those that were depicted in the show. In terms of hair, clothing, general behavior.
I was kind of amazed. I've lived in NJ for all but two years of NY life, and I never knew those ppl actually existed in significant quantities. But there they were...
Fwiw, I've never spent a lot of time in Newark. My impressions of it are that it's crowded, smelly, and basically unpleasant. And i say this as a guy who has lived within ten miles of Camden for most of his life. I currently live in Gloucester City, known to its own residents as "G Shity" (sic), which is immediately south of Camden, directly across the river from South Phila. I KNOW dirtiness, well.. and even I'm a little skeeved out by Newark. But, I've met some very nice ppl are from there. And, it was the Brick City that have is Redman, so Planet Earth will forever owe that town a debt.