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"Monsanto May Seek to Revive 'Terminator' Technology "

queequeg152 said:
im stuck on corn and soy because thats what we were talking about? with respect to monsanto anyway.

ive already stated greenhouses are nothing short of "the shit" with regards to vegstables. I have a greenhouse up right now. ive never contested your statements regarding greenhouse yields.
i have a tomato plant that is approaching 20lbs total yield so far. this plant was started in november. it is 13' tall so far. it will probably make it into early may before i chop it.

there are greenhouse cultivars that yield numbers approaching 80lbs PER PLANT. there is nothing but truth in your claim that they support far better vegetable yeilds. they are just not in any way practically applied to field crops like corn and soy.
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I know corn is used in many foods but how many of those foods are healthy and how many things made with corn are really useful? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize
 
its not about health when you are starving. cheap corn feeds millions who living on the line and are in danger of going hungry.

this is why im so adamant that corn and soy sorghum rice what ever you can grow need to stay cheap, they are absolutely necessary crops for many folks who do not have acess to more expensive crops.

the whole organic thing is a first world problem... which is fine. just vote with your dollars, but when the UN or w/e government is basically outlawing the most efficient methods of mass food production you are putting people who are literally one moderate drought away from a severe famine, and unable to pay the additional costs that are necessary tacked on to organically produced food, seriously at rick of famine.

the UN sends millions of pounds of rice and corn and grains to the third world, all of these are cheaply produced crops largly from the US farm belt.

about nutrition...
there is something golden rice that is a GMO crop with genes added to produce additional vitamin A. vitimain A is one of those things not available to the poor at low cost. its absolutely a boon to rice eating countries where A deficiencies are common problems. this sort of plant manipulation is fantastically beneficial to poor farmers. this is just one example of what gm plants are capable of.
 
I think we should send seeds, mycorrhizae, old plastic barrels, old windows, old garden hoses and greenhouse books instead of food every year. I'm impressed by some of these diy recycled greenhouses in Africa At the very least this would reduce the amount of stuff in the landfill.


Green house farming in kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. Green Pepper, a product from PHFAMSAFRICA.

"If you’re looking for more reasons to incorporate chili peppers into your diet, consider the health benefits. A typical chili pepper has more vitamin C than an orange. A single jalapeno has about 10% of your daily vitamin C needs. Chili peppers are known to help lower blood pressure, fight inflammation, burn fat and help lose weight, and combat Cancer. They can even warm your feet and improve your love life when used creatively. What other reasons do you need?"
http://www.chilipeppermadness.com/blog/2013/01/20/we-should-eat-more-chili-peppers/#.US6M2FcamRM
 
poypoyking said:
This was encouraging. No GMO's, no chemical fertilizers, and no herbicides. 22 tons of rice on less than 3 acres.

http://www.honeycolo...s-without-gmos/
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1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres. 10,000 fish 500 yards compost

"Growing power seems to have a winning combo going. I underestimated what they are doing. Based on the information in these videos, IF true, then on 3 acres they are producing 1,000,000 pounds of food each year! How are they doing this? Well, based on the information given in the video...

10,000 fish
300-500 yards worm compost
3 acres of land in green houses
Grow all year using heat from compost piles.
Using vertical space

A packed greenhouse produces a crop value of $5 Square Foot! ($200,000/acre).

Now, just to be clear I am not growing power or will allen. Also, a pound of plant or fish product is not the same thing as eatable food unless you process all parts of them for food. i.e. eating the fish bones and using plant stalks in stews. Generally, nations that are well fed throw away most of the plant and eat only the best parts thus lowing the yield of food.

Growing power depends on and runs on the HUGE amounts of compost they make from food waste that is taken from the city. With out this compost there would be no heat for the greenhouses and no fuel for the plants to grow. Its a great thing to divert this from the landfill and provide cheap food for the community.

My personal experience is that growing 7 pounds of food per square foot in a year is not that hard to do especially if you grow year around. You have to select plants that produce a lot of food in a small space which means you may not get a nutritionally complete diet if thats all you grow. Also layering of growth to use all space is important.

I personally use a 12 foot diameter round pond 2.5 feet deep to grow annually 300+ pounds of fish in an aquaponic system and the bulk of my produce is grow using the biointensive method, in the ground, which is watered from the nitrogen rich fish water. My typical yield is between 6 and 9 pounds of food per square foot per year. This does require that I grow over winter which most people do not do. I find that growing in fall and winter months I actually get more production over fall and winter because there are NO bug problems! The crops do mature much slower, but they will mature! Think of it this way, the standard planted row may have 2 or 3 rows of veggies. Bio intensive will plant 12 rows; thats already 4 times the produce. Now add in onions, for example, that grow vertically above sweet potato vines, this increases production a lot. Now add to that 4 harvest per year vs the standard one season growing season. Now you have X4 more productivity. This brings us to X4X4 or 16 times the productivity of the standard growing methods. If you add to that hanging pot or what ever to add more growing space you have again increased productivity again. I personally have not used vertical space in that way. An snap shot of my experience is growing one sweat potato per 1.5' x 1.5' area (2.25 square feet) this one plant produces on average 12 pounds of root per plant and in that space I grow 4 to 6 leeks adding a pond of produce. Now, the vines grow all over the place, and I tie some up, are not confined to that 2.25 square feet of soil space. From each plant you can easily average 3 pounds of eatable leaves as you pick them over the growing season. At this point alone I am averaging 16 pounds of eatable food in 2.25 square feet or 16/2.5=7 pounds of food per square foot. Now that is in ONE GROWING SEASON. As I also grow fava beans, wheat, and fodder greens for two more seasons so my yelid is averaging 8 to 10 pounds in a year. IF I did this on 3 acres of growing space, excluding foot paths and green house walls ect then my production would be 8 pounds per square foot * 43560 feet acre * 3 = 1,045,440 pounds of food. It is possible to get even more by choosing the right crops and getting 4 harvest per year. I have settled on 4000 square feet of growing space per person for providing pretty much all the food a person needs. I suggest anyone starting out begin with a very small garden and do it well. Something like a 5' by 20' growing bed would be the most you would start with.

SUGGESTED READING:
backyardaquaponics [dot] com/forum
Food Now by bountiful gardens
One Mexican Diet by bountiful gardens
Four Season Harvest by Eliot Coleman
Winter Harvest Handbook by Eliot Coleman"
 
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An entomopathogenic fungus is a fungus that can act as a parasite of insects and kills or seriously disables them.
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Korean Natural Farming Indigenous Microorganisms IMO
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Mycorrhiza

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SePro’s Preferal Biological Insecticide For Control Of Whitefly, Aphids, Thrips And Spider Mites http://www.greenhousegrower.com/video/c:92/insect-control/1380/

http://www.omri.org/manufacturers/95875/sepro-corporation

http://www.sepro.com/default.php?page=preferal
 
Why is it that everyone worries about genetically modified crops but no one ever complains about mutagen crops? Its essentially the same thing, except instead of accurate insertion of alleles or replacement of loci, they just haphazardly blast it with massive doses of radiation and if any good traits show up they breed it, unkown side effects be damned. Less research and out cry on mutagen varieties, which defies logic.

Plus I don't think the Asian children subsisting almost entirely on rice dislike gmo crops, seeing as vitamin a enriched rice stopped an epidemic of nutrition related blindness.

As far as plant produced herbice and insecticide, has no one heard of creosote, tobacco, or mesquite? Shit, even capsaicin is produced to repel mammals that would eat the fruit without propagating the seed.

You are allowed to grow patented varieties for yourself, just not allowed to sell them. Can you blame them after billions in research and development? And if you argue the free market should allow the competing sale of these varieties, their logical step would be to make these sterile breeds to save their business, even if it isn't necessarily beneficial to them or anyone else.
 
About Mulch said:
 
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god, i hope you don't buy into that nauseating garbage.
you will note that the comments are disabled on that video. why? the production company is lead by someone who is pretty much a known fruad. any cursory research will have revealed this.
 
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html
 
my favorite.
 
 
Null says he holds an associate degree in business administration from Mountain State College in West Virginia, a bachelor's degree from Thomas A. Edison State College in New Jersey, and a PhD in human nutrition and public health sciences from The Union Institute in Cincinnati, Ohio. Two papers he co-authored during the early 1980s identified him as Gary Null, M.S," but I have seen no information about the source of that credential.
Edison State is a "nontraditional" school with neither campus nor courses. It is accredited but awards accredited bachelor's degrees based on career experience, equivalency exams, and courses taken at other schools. In the late 1980s, a prominent college guidebook described it this way:
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just incase you are interested in anything thats going to challenge your preconceptions...
you will find that BBC horizons credentials are vastly superior.
 
Remember the BBC Horizon programme that used the pin-up pig farmer Jimmy Doherty to front Jimmy's GM Food Fight?

While supposedly investigating the science of GM foods, the TV programme had Jimmy - once a purveyor of all things natural, telling the audience how "simple" and "natural" genetic modification was. And by the end of the programme, Jimmy was enthusing that it would be "madness to turn away from this technology. The science is absolutely amazing. It offers hope."

The producer and director of this prime time soft-sell advertisement was Michael Lachmann. After viewer complaints, the BBC investigated whether the programme was biased. For ages, the BBC refused to answer one viewer's persistent query as to whether the programme's director was in any way related to Sir Peter Lachmann, a notoriously aggressive pro-GM scientist. Eventually, persistence paid off, however, when the BBC finally admitted during the appeal process that: "Sir Peter Lachmann is indeed the father of Michael."

http://www.bangmfood.org/mediawatch/25-mediawatch/40-sir-peters-gm-food-fight
 
 
and an interesting article Genetic Engineering and Corporate Agribusiness: GMOs and the Impacts of Glyphosate Herbicide
 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetic-engineering-and-corporate-agribusiness-gmos-and-the-impacts-of-glyphosate-herbicide/5337096
 
Rogue Genetically Modified Monsanto Wheat Infiltrates Oregon Farm

Read more: Rogue Genetically Modified Monsanto Wheat Infiltrates Oregon Farm | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
A farmer in Oregon has discovered unauthorized genetically modified wheat plants on his farm, raising concerns about trade with countries that refuse to import GM foods. The farmer tried to kill the wheat plants between harvests but they were resistant to glyphosate, a herbicide, The Guardian reports. It turns out agri-giant Monsanto tested a strain of glyphosate-resistant wheat seeds in sixteen US states between 1998 and 2005, but they were never approved, and never made it to market.
 


 



 




Read more: Rogue Genetically Modified Monsanto Wheat Infiltrates Oregon Farm | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
 
http://inhabitat.com/unauthorized-genetically-modified-monsanto-wheat-infiltrates-oregon-farm/
 
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