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People Copying Website Content - David Lechner
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I get my pics stolen all the time 
as well as my posts frequently being copied almost exactly. Even on this forum, people often like to answer questions with someone else's previously posted answers, and not think for themselves. Its very common and annoying but I guess its hard to avoid repetition here, especially when people ignore the search function when posting a question
as well as my posts frequently being copied almost exactly. Even on this forum, people often like to answer questions with someone else's previously posted answers, and not think for themselves. Its very common and annoying but I guess its hard to avoid repetition here, especially when people ignore the search function when posting a question
I get my pics stolen all the time
That's because they are AWESOME
In my case it's really not a big deal. As was mentioned if this was my business I would take it much more seriously and that's my advice to David since he seems to want to make seed sales his business. If you want a real business selling seeds don't start it off by lifting content, design or anything else from other people. Businesses started using shortcuts and dishonest tactics rarely make it. If you want serious business take it seriously right from the start.
Thanks for the compliment but I just realized you are using my pics(and others) without permission on your site and setting them as public domain, and now everyone thinks they are free to use. I found one of my pics on wikipedia and they say its set as public domain when all my pics should be licensed under flickr "All rights reserved".
I don't mind people using my pics with permission, and where I can watermark them or make it less easy and/or less appealing to steal, and also keep track of who's using them.
I don't mind people using my pics with permission, and where I can watermark them or make it less easy and/or less appealing to steal, and also keep track of who's using them.
Responded on my site as well...not sure how me linking to your picture, on a non commercial site, is a violation of anything? I linked to your pictures (not hosting them) and linked to your profile here giving you credit for the photos. When you post a photo in public places (like thehotpepper.com) Google indexes them and makes them readily available to anyone using Google search. Not trying to be an a-hole just trying to understand what you want me to do. Never had anyone come down on me for simply linking to something.
Sorry to sound grumpy and to accuse you, I don't know how this all work and I blamed you instead of wiki. I'm just pissed because I tracked down several people using my pics including wikipedia and their source was your site(Yes wiki even lists it as a source) Wiki also doesn't link to my flickr pic but instead it is part of their "wikimedia commons". There has to be a better way to keep track of one's photos. I know on my flickr site, my pics are set as "all rights reserved" but what exactly does that mean? If I post a link to my flickr pic, do I lose all rights to that pic? Sorry, maybe this is the wrong place to discuss this
To look at, not use. Someone owns them. You can google anything, that doesn't mean there are no rights!
Why don't you guys use the Creative Commons license? And watermark your images at least with a credit.
Just entered the site. "Photo by OMRI"... lol!
I'm famous.
Negative. You're just like me. NOTORIOUS!
Sorry, maybe this is the wrong place to discuss this
No worries man. I will admit I used your photo - linked w/full credit & not hosted - before wikipedia or any of the other sources. They likely found it via my site (one of the top search results for everything related to butch t) and then used it however they saw fit. I created that post before the butch t even had the record. I make $0.00 from the site and have no plans to monitize it. Thought about selling seeds and stuff but never got around to it and likely never will. Let me know if you want different credit links, a watermark...whatever. I'd even take it down if that's what you wanted. 500+ people a day see it though so don't lose your fame! :-) I'll be offline for awhile but will handle however you prefer. You can post back here or email me at info @ thepepperseed.com
@ thehotpepper...what I'm doing is no different than what you do or Google does...I host a site that links to a picture.
Grow on!
It's kind of funny, what goes around comes around I guess. David posted on my blog asking for brain strain seeds. I had no idea who he was but was going to send him seeds for free anyways. He emailed me his address, that's when I realized he was the same David that I posted about in this this thread!. Needless to say David, NO SEEDS FOR YOU!!!!
ThePepperGrowingMan, there's something you need to understand. those pictures belong to someone. let's leave aside the fact I'm actually sure Google will remove pictures due to copyright owner's request, just like YouTube does (BTW, YouTube = Google). if someone doesn't want you to use his pictures, you can't do it against his will (legally at least). there's no physical copy of the picture, it's all digital. doesn't matter if you're hosting it or showing it. sure it's really easy adding a picture to your website and you probably think that nothing that easy could be wrong, but it is. sure it'll cost him a lot of money to take you to court and he'll probably won't, but he can. don't stay with that "I can do whatever I want" attitude. it's not very nice.
Take POTAWIE for example. he's a great guy. a few years ago I asked him to use one of his amazing pictures and he said yes. I'm sure he will have the exact same answer for anyone who doesn't try to make profit of them. but you didn't ask him... and he doesn't like to see his pictures just floating around. instead of apologizing and removing the pics, you just say you're allowed to. not very nice taking someone's creation and using it without his permission and against his will.
I don't mind you using my picture. just another random picture. I can even get you a better picture if you want. I add my name to all my new pictures just in case someone wants to use them. it would upset me though if someone were to take my name off. as long as they don't, I don't mind. that's me though... not POTAWIE.
Take POTAWIE for example. he's a great guy. a few years ago I asked him to use one of his amazing pictures and he said yes. I'm sure he will have the exact same answer for anyone who doesn't try to make profit of them. but you didn't ask him... and he doesn't like to see his pictures just floating around. instead of apologizing and removing the pics, you just say you're allowed to. not very nice taking someone's creation and using it without his permission and against his will.
I don't mind you using my picture. just another random picture. I can even get you a better picture if you want. I add my name to all my new pictures just in case someone wants to use them. it would upset me though if someone were to take my name off. as long as they don't, I don't mind. that's me though... not POTAWIE.
I also bought my first seeds from this site, lol.
I bought them when it was under the previous owners...
And thankfully the seeds grew as they were ment to. Yay
since joining this site though i have learnt there are many other ways to buy seeds and chilliseedbank doesnt seem to be updating their site since it was sold.
As for stealing other peoples text and pics....BIG no no...take the person DOWN!!!
Edit: been drinking again
Only just found the second page....my apoligies...
Stealing bad, linking with credits i think is ok with permision...
again
sorryI am linking to a picture, no different than what's done right here at THP tens of thousands of times. Potawie posted that pic here at THP. If I reply to his post in that thread and leave his quote in it will leave the picture in my post. Do I need to ask permission to do that? Did you ask flikr if it was ok for you to use their name and link to them in your forum signature? If you read what I posted in this thread I told Potawie I would do whatever he wanted me to do - not because I have to but because I want to. He's always been cool to me and even though there's nothing wrong with linking to a picture if he asked me not to then I won't.
With all due respect don't really appreciate you implying that I'm the bad guy, especially after I posted that I would do whatever Potawie desired in regards to the pictures. I didn't do anything immoral, unethical or illegal. I was just putting together a little tribute post to all things Butch T for my fellow pepper heads and tried to include all the best stuff that's out there. If someone doesn't want something of theirs included I'll take it down in a second. Again, I wouldn't take it down because I'm doing anything wrong I'd take it down because I think the pepper head community is a pretty cool group of folks and have no intention of pissing people off even if I disagree with the reasoning behind the request.
I'm well aware that Google and Youtube are the same company (I work with them in my profession) and your statement about Google removing photos due to a copyright issue is not correct. Google doesn't host the images it shows in it's search or image results and therefore can't remove anything. If a website doesn't want Google to show it's images in results pages it's the responsibility of the website owner to block Google from indexing those images. YouTube is a different story since Google actually hosts the video content.
Potawie I never heard from you after my last post in this thread so will just toss it out there again, let me know what you want me to do in regards to the pictures and it will be done.
It's good to see that you were able to catch this bit of petty plagarism and also to publicly address the alleged culprit.
But maybe also give yourself a pat on the back for putting out written material that was deemed so good by another, that they decided to just copy it.
Imitation, or plagarism in this case, is the highest form of flattery, as the saying goes.
Keep up the good fight and great work there ThePepperGrowingMan!
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+1 Right On!!
1. when people say "linking" they refer to leaving a text path to the image, not displaying it.
2. it does not matter if you host the picture or not, you're using it. there's no way around it.
3. you can't use anything copyrighted (and EVERYTHING is copyrighted unless specified otherwise) without permission.
4. when I post my photograph of THP I intend it to be displayed here and here alone.
5. computers aren't liable for their actions. people are.
6. just because you haven't protected your creation, it does not mean it's free for use (just like some CDs now won't allow you to copy the songs onto the computer. it does not mean all those that doesn't are meant to).
7. I choose what to do with my creation and if I ask to remove a LINK (and I'm not referring that what you do, because you are displaying the images. there's no difference between that and actually hosting it. same end result) you HAVE to remove it. it does not matter how nice you are.
Don't make it personal. you seem to be offended, but all I'm saying is people have rights over their property and you keep saying they don't if you use some cheap tricks. the international law and AMERICAN law automatically protects all new creations. people automatically own ALL RIGHTS to their own creation. I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're not doing anyone a favor. if you are asked to remove an image, you will.
Your behavior reminds me a movie I saw the other day. a man goes to a "working lady" and ask for her service. she tells him the price starts at $50 and he gets 45 minutes. they go on with their business and he finishes in 10 minutes. he pulls out a $50 bill and tells her he doesn't HAVE to pay the full $50 because it hasn't been 45 minutes, but he's extremely generous today so he'll give her the $50 as part of a "tip". obviously she didn't like what he had to say.
It's telling me I have too many quotes in this post so for eacy reading your comments in bold, my replies in regular font.
1. when people say "linking" they refer to leaving a text path to the image, not displaying it.
That's not the definition of link.
"A link from a hypertext file or document to another location or file, typically activated by clicking on a highlighted word or image on the screen"
2. it does not matter if you host the picture or not, you're using it. there's no way around it.
Linking is not using. If it is like I said you should check with Flikr because you're using their name without permission. You don't need to ask someone's permission to link to something on the web, if you did no one would ever link to anything. Did Google check with all these people before showing their images? Using your logic if they didn't they are breaking laws.
3. you can't use anything copyrighted (and EVERYTHING is copyrighted unless specified otherwise) without permission.
An overly broad statement that's factually incorrect.
4. when I post my photograph of THP I intend it to be displayed here and here alone.
Only you know your intent but intent does not equate to reality.
5. computers aren't liable for their actions. people are.
Agree
6. just because you haven't protected your creation, it does not mean it's free for use (just like some CDs now won't allow you to copy the songs onto the computer. it does not mean all those that doesn't are meant to).
Would need to better define protected to accurately debate that point.
7. I choose what to do with my creation and if I ask to remove a LINK (and I'm not referring that what you do, because you are displaying the images. there's no difference between that and actually hosting it. same end result) you HAVE to remove it. it does not matter how nice you are.
No one is legally obligated to remove a link from a website and there's a huge difference between linking and hosting. I think my response to your false statement about Google/YouTube would have cleared that up for you.
Don't make it personal. you seem to be offended, but all I'm saying is people have rights over their property and you keep saying they don't if you use some cheap tricks.
I'm not taking it personally or making it personal (even though your comments and accusations are directed at me, personally) but do find the general tone of you your post to be condescending. You seem to feel that you somehow have the moral high ground and are justified to lecture and reprimand me like I'm a child. You don't and you're not and with few exceptions you don't have your facts straight and are making false statements. Even the "using cheap tricks" line, give me a break dude. I'm not attacking anyone simply responding to each of your points where I disagree.
I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're not doing anyone a favor. if you are asked to remove an image, you will.
Once again you're blending facts and fiction. Like I stated in my earlier post, which you have conveniently decided to ignore, I'm not hosting an image and am not in violation of any law in any country. There's no law or court that would force to me remove a link so if I did it it be because I wanted to and not because I have to. If you would like to continue to publicly accuse me of breaking laws please provide some actual facts to support your allegations.
Your behavior reminds me a movie I saw the other day. a man goes to a "working lady" and ask for her service. she tells him the price starts at $50 and he gets 45 minutes. they go on with their business and he finishes in 10 minutes. he pulls out a $50 bill and tells her he doesn't HAVE to pay the full $50 because it hasn't been 45 minutes, but he's extremely generous today so he'll give her the $50 as part of a "tip". obviously she didn't like what he had to say.
Can't say I get the correlation at all but thanks for comparing me to a guy that's using hookers. You behavior reminds me of a person that cant' just apologize and admit they they were wrong. I had already addressed the issue with Potawie yet you felt compelled to jump back in and lecture me like a child. I politely pointed out where you were incorrect and you decided to ignore those points and create another post stating that I am wrong and in violation of laws. You are more than entitled to your opinions but that does not that make them fact and does mean you are correct.
Lastly, I would fully expect that someone taking a position such as yours would practice what they preach and never, ever link to an image without the owners permission.
http://www.thehotpep...post__p__119357
http://www.thehotpep...dpost__p__47699
A quick Google image search will show more and they are actually hosted here not just linked to. Like I said I'm not taking anything personally, just addressing the points you are raising and pointing out the irony of you accusing me of being a criminal for linking to a picture when you yourself have a history of downloading other people's pictures and posting them right here at THP. I'm more than happy to debate the issue but would appreciate it you would actually address my points and stop implying that I'm a criminal unless you have some actual facts - not opinions - to support your position.
BTW, Potawie and I have exchanged messages outside of this thread and all is good.
1. when people say "linking" they refer to leaving a text path to the image, not displaying it.
That's not the definition of link.
"A link from a hypertext file or document to another location or file, typically activated by clicking on a highlighted word or image on the screen"
2. it does not matter if you host the picture or not, you're using it. there's no way around it.
Linking is not using. If it is like I said you should check with Flikr because you're using their name without permission. You don't need to ask someone's permission to link to something on the web, if you did no one would ever link to anything. Did Google check with all these people before showing their images? Using your logic if they didn't they are breaking laws.
3. you can't use anything copyrighted (and EVERYTHING is copyrighted unless specified otherwise) without permission.
An overly broad statement that's factually incorrect.
4. when I post my photograph of THP I intend it to be displayed here and here alone.
Only you know your intent but intent does not equate to reality.
5. computers aren't liable for their actions. people are.
Agree
6. just because you haven't protected your creation, it does not mean it's free for use (just like some CDs now won't allow you to copy the songs onto the computer. it does not mean all those that doesn't are meant to).
Would need to better define protected to accurately debate that point.
7. I choose what to do with my creation and if I ask to remove a LINK (and I'm not referring that what you do, because you are displaying the images. there's no difference between that and actually hosting it. same end result) you HAVE to remove it. it does not matter how nice you are.
No one is legally obligated to remove a link from a website and there's a huge difference between linking and hosting. I think my response to your false statement about Google/YouTube would have cleared that up for you.
Don't make it personal. you seem to be offended, but all I'm saying is people have rights over their property and you keep saying they don't if you use some cheap tricks.
I'm not taking it personally or making it personal (even though your comments and accusations are directed at me, personally) but do find the general tone of you your post to be condescending. You seem to feel that you somehow have the moral high ground and are justified to lecture and reprimand me like I'm a child. You don't and you're not and with few exceptions you don't have your facts straight and are making false statements. Even the "using cheap tricks" line, give me a break dude. I'm not attacking anyone simply responding to each of your points where I disagree.
I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're not doing anyone a favor. if you are asked to remove an image, you will.
Once again you're blending facts and fiction. Like I stated in my earlier post, which you have conveniently decided to ignore, I'm not hosting an image and am not in violation of any law in any country. There's no law or court that would force to me remove a link so if I did it it be because I wanted to and not because I have to. If you would like to continue to publicly accuse me of breaking laws please provide some actual facts to support your allegations.
Your behavior reminds me a movie I saw the other day. a man goes to a "working lady" and ask for her service. she tells him the price starts at $50 and he gets 45 minutes. they go on with their business and he finishes in 10 minutes. he pulls out a $50 bill and tells her he doesn't HAVE to pay the full $50 because it hasn't been 45 minutes, but he's extremely generous today so he'll give her the $50 as part of a "tip". obviously she didn't like what he had to say.
Can't say I get the correlation at all but thanks for comparing me to a guy that's using hookers. You behavior reminds me of a person that cant' just apologize and admit they they were wrong. I had already addressed the issue with Potawie yet you felt compelled to jump back in and lecture me like a child. I politely pointed out where you were incorrect and you decided to ignore those points and create another post stating that I am wrong and in violation of laws. You are more than entitled to your opinions but that does not that make them fact and does mean you are correct.
Lastly, I would fully expect that someone taking a position such as yours would practice what they preach and never, ever link to an image without the owners permission.
http://www.thehotpep...post__p__119357
http://www.thehotpep...dpost__p__47699
A quick Google image search will show more and they are actually hosted here not just linked to. Like I said I'm not taking anything personally, just addressing the points you are raising and pointing out the irony of you accusing me of being a criminal for linking to a picture when you yourself have a history of downloading other people's pictures and posting them right here at THP. I'm more than happy to debate the issue but would appreciate it you would actually address my points and stop implying that I'm a criminal unless you have some actual facts - not opinions - to support your position.
BTW, Potawie and I have exchanged messages outside of this thread and all is good.
AlabamaJack
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can you guys just let it go...please....
mistakes have been made and pointed out so lets move on...
mistakes have been made and pointed out so lets move on...
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