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Spicegeist · Sep 10, 2016

stickman said:
Hi Charles! Are your Chimayos still producing for you? How do you like the taste of the powder from them?

Hey Rick, you know, they are, but I've moved them off to the side, so they're somewhat neglected. I just didn't think they lived up to the hype. I don't think anything really compares to bhut flakes and powder.

Speaking of Bhut and Naga types...

Here are some true Dorset Nagas:

I'll make some flakes out of these to contrast with my bhut flakes. Last year I just mixed them all together, but they definitely have a different flavor.

Datil · Sep 10, 2016

Spicegeist said:
That is the CGN 17020. I've got to come up with a catchier name for it though

Very nice!
This should be the same as this one:

https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1209236

Regarding Dorset Naga (ive real deal seeds from the folks who originally selected the variety) how do they compare to regular bhuts for plant vigor, and flavor/heat? They're distinct enough from Naga Morich?

Datil

stickman · Sep 10, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Hey Rick, you know, they are, but I've moved them off to the side, so they're somewhat neglected. I just didn't think they lived up to the hype. I don't think anything really compares to bhut flakes and powder. I'll make some flakes out of these to contrast with my bhut flakes. Last year I just mixed them all together, but they definitely have a different flavor.

Well, it's true that when you get used to a certain heat level, nothing else will do. Anything less seems kinda flat. That's why I'm making powder blends these days. I get a more well-rounded flavor and heat that presses all the buttons.

Spicegeist · Sep 10, 2016

stickman said:
Well, it's true that when you get used to a certain heat level, nothing else will do. Anything less seems kinda flat. That's why I'm making powder blends these days. I get a more well-rounded flavor and heat that presses all the buttons.

That's true, there is the heat level. I just love that unique bhut tangy flavor...

Datil said:
Very nice!
This should be the same as this one:

https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1209236

Regarding Dorset Naga (ive real deal seeds from the folks who originally selected the variety) how do they compare to regular bhuts for plant vigor, and flavor/heat? They're distinct enough from Naga Morich?

Datil

Yep, looks like that's what it is. I believe that I originally received CGN 17020 from PepperLover. My original Dorset Naga seed was from cmpman1974, and I do recall him saying he also got his from the originators, Sea Spring Seeds: http://www.seaspringseeds.co.uk/shop/chilli-seed/superhot-chillies

Dorset Naga is definitely different from Naga Morich, but then again we'd need to be real clear about which Naga Morich we're talking about. There's really a lot of diversity out there. The Dorset Naga is very hot, firm, not very bumpy, glossier than bhuts, and not as pronounced a bhut-flavor as standard bhuts and Naga Morich.

Spicegeist · Sep 10, 2016

Here are my dried CGN 17020 pods. These are great for wintertime, when eating chicken noodle soup, take a couple and crumble them up, mix in with a bowl:

Datil · Sep 12, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Dorset Naga is definitely different from Naga Morich, but then again we'd need to be real clear about which Naga Morich we're talking about. There's really a lot of diversity out there. The Dorset Naga is very hot, firm, not very bumpy, glossier than bhuts, and not as pronounced a bhut-flavor as standard bhuts and Naga Morich.

Thanks for the info. Dorset seems fairly consistent in shape/size, it reminds me Judy's Bih. I will give a try in the next season.
I've seen a lot of diversity in Naga Morich as well, it's now sold by a lot of commercial companies.
Every time i find a pack i grab it to see the outcome, i will show you the one i'm growing this year when i get the first ripe pod... yes, i'm still so far behind but the climate is incredibly hot for September

It's nice to dig the nuances but the good thing about all this crazy bih/bhut/naga variations is they rarely deceive in terms of heat/flavor!
When you get used to bhut powder/flakes, mild stuff loses appeal indeed. Hottest annuums and frutescens are the only exception to me; i do love pequins/tepins and piri-piri types, some indian and thai are nice as well. All the milder stuff i occasionally grow got grinded with supers for taming and enriching the flavor.

Datil

Spicegeist · Sep 12, 2016

I just picked a bunch of Impact Bhuts, opened them up, and put them in the dehydrator. These are one of my top 3 bhuts this year. Of course as I was taking the seeds out I thought to myself "maybe I'll only grow Impact Bhuts next year..."

windchicken · Sep 14, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Hey Rick, you know, they are, but I've moved them off to the side, so they're somewhat neglected. I just didn't think they lived up to the hype. I don't think anything really compares to bhut flakes and powder.

Speaking of Bhut and Naga types...

Here are some true Dorset Nagas:

I'll make some flakes out of these to contrast with my bhut flakes. Last year I just mixed them all together, but they definitely have a different flavor.

Gorgeous Naga porn, Charles!

Spicegeist · Sep 14, 2016

windchicken said:
Gorgeous Naga porn, Charles!

Thanks Gary! You should try this one sometime... different from a bhut, I bet it'd be very productive in your climate.

Datil · Sep 15, 2016

Charles, here's a nice one if you don't mind.
Naga Morich x Tabasco, my seeds come from Grant (JR). I believe you were his original source!
It's been refined/selected for many seasons by JR (actually an F6):

It's taking ages to turn color LOL, i'll be back when i finally sample it!

Datil

windchicken · Sep 15, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Thanks Gary! You should try this one sometime... different from a bhut, I bet it'd be very productive in your climate.

I would love to grow that one, Charles...Believe it or not, I've never grown a straight landrace Naga before...

Datil said:
Charles, here's a nice one if you don't mind.
Naga Morich x Tabasco, my seeds come from Grant (JR). I believe you were his original source!
It's been refined/selected for many seasons by JR (actually an F6):

It's taking ages to turn color LOL, i'll be back when i finally sample it!

Datil

Hey Fabrizio, those look a whole lot like one of the phenotypes from Charles' 7 Pot Barrackpore x Sonoran Chiltepin cross...I bet they have a nice kick!

Datil · Sep 15, 2016

Very nice Gary!
Small sized heat bombs are fun!

Datil

Spicegeist · Sep 19, 2016

Datil said:
Charles, here's a nice one if you don't mind.
Naga Morich x Tabasco, my seeds come from Grant (JR). I believe you were his original source!
It's been refined/selected for many seasons by JR (actually an F6):

It's taking ages to turn color LOL, i'll be back when i finally sample it!

Datil

Wow, that's great. Thanks for sharing Datil! I did send that cross over to Australia a few years ago... it could be a descendant of one of mine, but I think there were also others playing around with similar crosses. Either way, very cool to see such a fun cross a few generations later! :cool:

windchicken said:
I would love to grow that one, Charles...Believe it or not, I've never grown a straight landrace Naga before...

Hey Fabrizio, those look a whole lot like one of the phenotypes from Charles' 7 Pot Barrackpore x Sonoran Chiltepin cross...I bet they have a nice kick!

Gary - they do look kind of similar... maybe all peppers eventually converge into one? :think:

Chicken Biryani with Bhut Jolokia flakes for lunch today:

windchicken · Sep 19, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Wow, that's great. Thanks for sharing Datil! I did send that cross over to Australia a few years ago... it could be a descendant of one of mine, but I think there were also others playing around with similar crosses. Either way, very cool to see such a fun cross a few generations later!

Gary - they do look kind of similar... maybe all peppers eventually converge into one?

Capsicum convergent evolution...Makes sense to me! If that be the case, we are way ahead of the game here!

Spicegeist · Sep 19, 2016

windchicken said:
Capsicum convergent evolution...Makes sense to me! If that be the case, we are way ahead of the game here!

Spicegeist · Sep 24, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Bhut Jolokias, drawing from 1838:

And 178 years later it's still alive and kicking.

2016:

Datil · Sep 25, 2016

Holy Bhut!!

Datil

stickman · Sep 25, 2016

Spicegeist said:
Chicken Biryani with Bhut Jolokia flakes for lunch today:

You surely know how to hurt a guy Charles

... that Biryani looks fantastic! :drooling:

PaulG · Oct 4, 2016

Awesome work, Charles! Your red BJs are to die for. One of my chocolate BJ
plants reverted to red, and I got a couple of 3"+ pods from the plant. They look
very similar to yours - wide, and nicely tapered and lumpy, but maybe a tad shorter.
I may just have to grow them again next year, although I have considered not
growing any more BJ. The pods just looked too good.

Congrats on a great season, a job well done!

Spicegeist · Oct 6, 2016

PaulG said:
Awesome work, Charles! Your red BJs are to die for. One of my chocolate BJ
plants reverted to red, and I got a couple of 3"+ pods from the plant. They look
very similar to yours - wide, and nicely tapered and lumpy, but maybe a tad shorter.
I may just have to grow them again next year, although I have considered not
growing any more BJ. The pods just looked too good.

Congrats on a great season, a job well done!

Thanks Paul. Brown reverting to Red sounds like a good one. I'd love to share seed of my red bhuts... I've just been so busy with my other "real" life things I haven't been able to get my seed sharing routine very organized. I need to get a better system down for doing that...