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The state of economy. . .

As some of you may or may not know, I live here in central Pennsylvania in the northeast United States. I've been watching as the local economy (which according to the radio is OUT of a recession) still continue to struggle. As my profile reads, I'm the owner of a forestry consulting firm and with the housing market in the crapper, the need for high-quality hardwoods from our Pennsylvania forests has been severely diminished. Add on top of all of this the fact that diesel and gasoline prices are again on the upward swing, I'm just wondering when we are going to see an end to this misery.

I just wanted to throw this topic out there to see if the rest of you around the world and here domestically in the United States are still seeing the hard economic times that we seem to be experiencing here?
 
Yup, it's still bad. I'm in the construction trades and I'm sitting on the couch browsing forums on a weekday. 6 or 7 years ago I was turning down more jobs than I was doing. Wages haven't increased since I started this "career" (about 13 years ago), yet everything keeps getting more and more expensive. Gas is hovering around 3.10 per gallon right now. The recession has supposedly been over for a while now! Really? For who? Nobody I know. :crazy:
 
I'm probably getting laid off soon.
16+yrs. at the same job...

No recovery here that I can see in California.
I think it's still getting worse and will continue for quite a while.

They say the housing market is getting better.
Thats only because lots of houses are selling for dirt cheep and being baught up by whoever has the $ to sit on them a while as an investment while renting them out to those who lost their house.
When you can buy a million dollar house for 1/2 or 1/4 of that and sit on it,you'll clean up eventually.
Small businesses are closing their doors.Lots of empty stores that went broke around here too.
What gets me is the Gov. bailing out the idiots who caused the whole thing in the first place and the money lenders who lent people money they could never pay back and the loan should never have been approved in the first place.
Bad businessmen got rewarded for creating the whole mess.

Meanwhile we continue to pay higher taxes so our gov. can spend more of OUR $ keeping their buddies happy.

The rich are rich and the poor are old...
 
After 27 years of perpetual employment, I lost my job 18 months ago.......that I had had for TEN years. We were a shipping department of three......and they laid us all off on the same day........and replaced us with a temp making minimum wage.

There are no jobs to be had. Gas prices have all but mothballed my car. I drive to the grocery store and nowhere else. The higher gas becomes, the less I'll drive.
 
This is a bit of a downer topic...

...but never to fear when beer is near.;)

A better steadfast friend there never was, it's there with ya to celebrate or to drown yer sorrows as ya cry in it.

Cheers...Haha...i'll drink to that!

dvg
 
Sorry to hear about the problems from across the nation. All we can do is say a couple extra prayers for each other and keep our collective chins up!

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theres no need to build a new house when you can get damn near new, never finished new con homes, or homes on acreage for less that its to build them. unless you're some anal person that HAS to have your house a certain way then those are the people building a new home.
I dont see new con getting back to what it was like many years ago for about at least 5 more years.
 
I'm just wondering when we are going to see an end to this misery.

I just wanted to throw this topic out there to see if the rest of you around the world and here domestically in the United States are still seeing the hard economic times that we seem to be experiencing here?


imo...everyone is going thru hard times.
The Gov says that unemployment is 9%..in reality it's around 16%


When will the pain stop?


When we realize we can no longer afford the Warfare/Welfare state.
One can't spend a billions on wars and billions on Welfare. Then print money/buy our own bonds to make up the shortfall.
 
The first round of recession really came a couple of years ago when oil went over $100 barrel, gas prices skyrocketed and people elected to go to work rather than pay their house note. Of course none of those people could afford the house they were in anyway.

With the fed. gov't seeing to it that people w/o proper means continued to get loans over the last couple of years and there are probably still some hold outs, I see the continued rise in gas prices to initiate a second wave of foreclosures and further recession.
 
I typed a very long response to this thread but I was affraid that if I hit the post button THP would have banned me for life...

suffice it to say I firmly believe in a qoute of one of our nations founding fathers...Thomas Jefferson...

“I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.”

todays politicians should take a hint from a very wise man
 
The change he was talking about was the little bit of change you have left in your pocket from your paycheck after being taxed to death so he can bail out his buddies and buy more support for whatever he wants to do next.

Chump change.
 
This is a very volatile topic being discussed here. A recession affects people at the micro level because it impacts their jobs, personal wealth, and financial future. However; the problems arose at the macro level well beyond the control of the individual.

Assigning blame to the causes is easy. Politicians, unscrupulous banksters, big oil, multi-national corporations, individual responsibility, etc., the list goes on and on. All played there role.

IMO the current “Recession” (yes we are still in a recession in many areas of the country despite media reports to the contrary) had its root in two primary areas both occurring at about the same time. NAFTA allowed corporations to outsource jobs wholesale to wherever the lowest cost of production could be obtained. While good for corporate profitability and shareholder value, it was terrible for the American worker. Secondly a “perfect storm” began to occur in the 1990’s of cheap credit policy by the Federal Reserve allowed a massive infusion of capital into the economy. This capital began chasing areas for investment and found housing. Encouraged by bad government policy to increase home homeownership and encourage the building industry, fraudulent banking practices (no documentation lending, “criminal” practices by wall street bankers on securitization of mortgages and the leveraging of these securities for outrageous profits) the lack of any meaningful regulatory control by those federal agencies responsible, led to the “Chernobyl” meltdown of the economy in late 2008. A classic asset bubble collapse.

Since one’s home is typically the largest store of personnel wealth, the American middle class took a tremendous hit. Combined with loss of jobs exacerbated by U.S. trade policies, well you end up with the current state affairs that everyone seems to be experiencing.

Do not believe for one minute any of the official statistics put out by our government. Unemployment figures are based on those who are receiving unemployment insurance only. The inflation rate is based on bogus numbers. The Federal Reserve System does not report inflation figures based on basket of goods crap or the “real” money supply (M4). They do not want the American people to know these figures in order to potentially inflate their way out of the deficit mess they’ve created.

I could go on but I’ve probably lost most of our readers by now. I sorry; it’s my old economics/finance education bubbling out. Do not expect the political arena to offer solutions – they are part of the problem not the solution. The ridiculous amount of money in that arena buying influence and policy determination does not mode well for us as individuals. So called reforms that have been recently enacted to solve some of these issues are window dressing, policy essentially written via influence by those impacted.

For those interested in reading more on these issues, a brief bibliography:

End the Fed – Ron Paul
The Revolution, A Manifesto – Ron Paul
Too Big to Fail – Andrew Ross Sorkin
The Big Short – Michael Lewis
13 Bankers – Simon Johnson

And for your viewing pleasure, a most excellent documentary on personnel financial responsibility titled “Maxed Out” available on DVD. Very depressing.

Sorry about this cynical rant but I could not help myself. Until the American public wises up to what is taking place (I have my doubts!) do not expect much improvement in conditions. Those in control want us to be uneducated sheep looking for our government to provide them with the answers. IMHO, all things political start with the financial first!

Note – Com’on AJ, do a little editing and post your response. I am interested in your take on this matter.
 
Politics are a forbidden subject on the forum...I will say this...I am a moderate conservative who believes in the good of man and the evil of big government...
 
Fair enough AJ, I respect that. I was not interested in your politics, simply your perspective on the matter since you felt the need to “type a very long response to this thread”.

So I have a better understanding, based on your post #13 and followed by #16, the administrators of THP have determined that politics is forbidden topic? If so, then I apologize for post #15. I did not realize the topic was verboten.
 
Move to Western australia. We cannot fill the job vacancies here. The Mining and oil and gas industries just suck all the workers up so that even the used to be mundane, low paying jobs aren't so mundane and low paying anymore. But it creates a vicious circle as the wages go up so does everything else. At the moment its not hard for an unskilled person to get a job driving dumptrucks in the mines earning $100,000+ pa working 8 days on 6 days off.
Skilled workers in the mines are earning $4000 in the hand each week.ie welders, electricians, ndt techs,mechanics etc.etc.
 
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