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hybrid WHO'S THE MOST INFLUENTIAL CROSSBREEDER

Thanks for the mention guys.... Just to see my name come up in this post is an honor.

Have a good weekend.

Rock on,

Primo
 
POTAWIE said:
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Primo Santeria
In 2006, Mark McMullan sold five sets of Naga Morich seeds on eBay to fund his website thechileman.org. He claimed to have obtained the seeds from a local Bangladeshi food merchant and grew out the seeds in 2005. Later on this pepper was na...med the Dorset Naga, which was somewhat controversial. See attached link. Anyway, four sets went to UK backyard growers, and one set to me. At the time I was a nursing student, taking biology classes, cultivating a small 20x20 organic garden consisting of mostly peppers obtained from seed gathered cloak and dagger at the local master gardener plot. ha So, when I saw this ebay listing and forum talk about a "worlds hottest pepper", I jumped at the chance. My fiancee' thought I was nuts!! We are talking $40+ dollars for 10-15 seeds. I can't remember the quantity, but at the time it seemed insane. So, I grew out six plants organically without use of pesticides, covered them with bug netting to prevent cross pollination, and harvested and cleaned the seed. At the time I worked in the ULL Department of Renewable Resources, which happened to house the Horticulture department. Information/access to the professors was literally a walk across the hall. So, as an afterthought, I decided to sell the seeds online "organically and grown free of pesticides". I decided to lower the price and give double the seed. I didn't change the name or do any crossing. Surprisingly, I made about 100x my investment in a year's time. Hell, it inspired me to change my major. I totally became enthralled and addicted to pepper. I guess you could say I was before ordering the naga, but the thought of making a living doing what I loved was tantalizing. At this time a professor friend gave me a pepper that his friend obtained from a recent trip to Trinidad. The pepper was a 7 Pot and the old lady who gave it to him claimed it was used to heat seven pots of stew. It was somewhat hab shaped, warty, and hellaciously hot. So, I decided to cross the 7 pot with the Naga to see what would happen. Hell Hot + Hell Hot = Double Hell Hot was my rational. ha Whereas, I had forged an underground history playing music in the late 90's with SANTERIA, I was now going to school later in life, loving the research, plants, the vibe of campus, and the general direction of obtaining an education. For several years I crossed the pepper to self, selecting the meanest and hottest pods.... My buddy Chris Phillips on the hotpepper forum either traded or purchased some seed from me. I tossed in the 7 Pot, but didn't name it.... Just something interesting for him to try growing. Well, Chris liked it so much, he started posting, spreading the word, taking pictures, etc... That was it. As I continued the R&D, the name and seed spread. Literally all over the world. Amazing. I guess I was at the right place, and did the right thing twice in my life. The band got back together to make an album in 2009, but I continued to experiment, grow new varieties, keep the garden up, etc... I produced the Brother Dege album, and I'm now producing the new Brother Dege album. I guess I just changed my focus to music. I became a little jaded that so many companies had made money on the naga. Yes, kind of hypocritical, but I knew had I the infrastructure, I could have done more. I've never felt a need to validate myself, though this post may win length awards on FB. ha So, with that said, I hope I answered some questions. ha Rock on fellow pepper heads"
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POTAWIE said:
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Primo Santeria
In 2006, Mark McMullan sold five sets of Naga Morich seeds on eBay to fund his website thechileman.org. He claimed to have obtained the seeds from a local Bangladeshi food merchant and grew out the seeds in 2005. Later on this pepper was na...med the Dorset Naga, which was somewhat controversial. See attached link. Anyway, four sets went to UK backyard growers, and one set to me. At the time I was a nursing student, taking biology classes, cultivating a small 20x20 organic garden consisting of mostly peppers obtained from seed gathered cloak and dagger at the local master gardener plot. ha So, when I saw this ebay listing and forum talk about a "worlds hottest pepper", I jumped at the chance. My fiancee' thought I was nuts!! We are talking $40+ dollars for 10-15 seeds. I can't remember the quantity, but at the time it seemed insane. So, I grew out six plants organically without use of pesticides, covered them with bug netting to prevent cross pollination, and harvested and cleaned the seed. At the time I worked in the ULL Department of Renewable Resources, which happened to house the Horticulture department. Information/access to the professors was literally a walk across the hall. So, as an afterthought, I decided to sell the seeds online "organically and grown free of pesticides". I decided to lower the price and give double the seed. I didn't change the name or do any crossing. Surprisingly, I made about 100x my investment in a year's time. Hell, it inspired me to change my major. I totally became enthralled and addicted to pepper. I guess you could say I was before ordering the naga, but the thought of making a living doing what I loved was tantalizing. At this time a professor friend gave me a pepper that his friend obtained from a recent trip to Trinidad. The pepper was a 7 Pot and the old lady who gave it to him claimed it was used to heat seven pots of stew. It was somewhat hab shaped, warty, and hellaciously hot. So, I decided to cross the 7 pot with the Naga to see what would happen. Hell Hot + Hell Hot = Double Hell Hot was my rational. ha Whereas, I had forged an underground history playing music in the late 90's with SANTERIA, I was now going to school later in life, loving the research, plants, the vibe of campus, and the general direction of obtaining an education. For several years I crossed the pepper to self, selecting the meanest and hottest pods.... My buddy Chris Phillips on the hotpepper forum either traded or purchased some seed from me. I tossed in the 7 Pot, but didn't name it.... Just something interesting for him to try growing. Well, Chris liked it so much, he started posting, spreading the word, taking pictures, etc... That was it. As I continued the R&D, the name and seed spread. Literally all over the world. Amazing. I guess I was at the right place, and did the right thing twice in my life. The band got back together to make an album in 2009, but I continued to experiment, grow new varieties, keep the garden up, etc... I produced the Brother Dege album, and I'm now producing the new Brother Dege album. I guess I just changed my focus to music. I became a little jaded that so many companies had made money on the naga. Yes, kind of hypocritical, but I knew had I the infrastructure, I could have done more. I've never felt a need to validate myself, though this post may win length awards on FB. ha So, with that said, I hope I answered some questions. ha Rock on fellow pepper heads"
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This is indeed an interesting story - and credit for the idea of crossing these two peppers... However, I am having a hard time following this story, it seems to me that it would be quite hard to stabilize the cross over "several years" keeping in mind that, as i understand it, the cross was made in 2007, thus the initial cross (F1) could be grown out in 2008 and Christopher Phillips sells pods of the 7 Pot Primo on this forum already in 2010. This leaves us with 1 year (2009) for growing out the F2-generaton and selecting. So I guess Chris didn't receive a stabilized variety? Or did i get something wrong? Well, nevermind the details - these were just my thoughts - I must say I have to agree with Peter from Semillas that this kind of work does not make you a pepper crossing guru...
My vote goes to Paul Bosland and Mario Dadomo, but then again these are professionals and I guess that the guide on fatalii.net has inspired a lot of people to make their own crosses (also me) but the two aforementioned pros have released a lot of interesting varieties that can be used for further breeding programmes...
 
Donnie said:
This is indeed an interesting story - and credit for the idea of crossing these two peppers... However, I am having a hard time following this story, it seems to me that it would be quite hard to stabilize the cross over "several years" keeping in mind that, as i understand it, the cross was made in 2007, thus the initial cross (F1) could be grown out in 2008 and Christopher Phillips sells pods of the 7 Pot Primo on this forum already in 2010. This leaves us with 1 year (2009) for growing out the F2-generaton and selecting. So I guess Chris didn't receive a stabilized variety? Or did i get something wrong? Well, nevermind the details - these were just my thoughts - I must say I have to agree with Peter from Semillas that this kind of work does not make you a pepper crossing guru...
My vote goes to Paul Bosland and Mario Dadomo, but then again these are professionals and I guess that the guide on fatalii.net has inspired a lot of people to make their own crosses (also me) but the two aforementioned pros have released a lot of interesting varieties that can be used for further breeding programmes...
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Oh, I never claimed to be a guru, though I do write eastern Indian guitar riffs from time to time. ha I'm just happy to have my name mentioned. I thought I had posted it in my "story", but no, Chris most likely had a f2 or f3. I don't remember the year of the trade or sell. At the time I sold the seeds as 7 Pot. I had greenhouse access shortly after, but in the early days I did not. My goal in life is not to be the hottest and baddest, though that is a cool status. ha Rock on. Primo

 
semillas said:
I Butch Taylor crossed Trinidad Scorpion with...? , no, Butch gave away his seeds to a number of people and some, if not all, were crosses between whatever he had at his field.
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I very much doubt that the Butch T was a cross, I think it would have been fairly obvious to those of us who have grown it for many years
 
I second what Potowie says. I like the actual plant as much as the pods. Massive plant!

Primo.... post some pod shots for us. Here are a couple on my plants...
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Huh, so the Primo is a 7 Pot crossed with a Naga Morich? Interesting.

I'd say the most influential would be the enablers, like Jukka with his info. and people like, but especially cmpman1974 who share the seed widely...

But, judging from all the intentional and unintentional craziness amongst my own plants, I have to say the future is going to be just as interesting, no probably more interesting than the past.
 
"In 2006, Mark McMullan sold five sets of Naga Morich seeds on eBay to fund his website thechileman.org. He claimed to have obtained the seeds from a local Bangladeshi food merchant..."

I can validate that because Mark and I went back to the shop once we had turned the nagas into snakebite sauce. We gave the chaps some bottles to say thank you. They though we were mad: but they were the ones selling Naga peppers for pennies :)

Really interesting to hear how the Primo came about. Hadn't read that before.
 
POTAWIE said:
I very much doubt that the Butch T was a cross, I think it would have been fairly obvious to those of us who have grown it for many years
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The historical progression of this pepper (Or maybe "back story" would be correct?) has been documented by some of the participants in its evolution at History of Trinidad Scorpion Butch T.
 
ButchT's "handle" on the forum is tigerb8 and there's a bit more here.> Trinidad Scorpion, new world record Enjoy!
 
I'm gonna have to say Troy Primeaux - it started a revolution.  Most of the crosses we see nowadays are because of that original cross, the Primo.
 
And I think it is the best by far as regards heat, flavour, productivity and looks.
 
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