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Happy New Year, 2021!
I will post more about this in a couple of days.
Happy New Year, 2021!
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Wild, Indeed, Community Thread
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This Rocopica (c. eximium x XL Brown Rocoto, @CaneDog)
has a great look. Have been shaping it a bit as it grows out.
This is the better-looking of the two c. galapagoense.
Lots of flowers, all dropping after drying out.
Transplanted the c. tovari into its 'forever' #2NC home.
The roots had filled up the beverage cup so it was ready
for a transplant.
has a great look. Have been shaping it a bit as it grows out.
This is the better-looking of the two c. galapagoense.
Lots of flowers, all dropping after drying out.
Transplanted the c. tovari into its 'forever' #2NC home.
The roots had filled up the beverage cup so it was ready
for a transplant.
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Lovely plants! I think I favor smaller leaves, aesthetically…
Agreed. I like the look of the wild varieties, as well.
Something about the growth habits and smaller
leaves makes them look so, well, wild!
CaneDog
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I've seen a couple straggler varieties sprout recently, including this Puta Pario, which is the last of the chacoense varieties I started this season.
Also this Lanceolatum came up yesterday at day 63, but with a super bad helmet head. The hook was still bent, so I sprinkled a little fine peat moss on it, sprayed the surface, and covered the container with plastic wrap to hold in the moisture, hoping that would do the trick. This morning it re-hooked, but it remains to be seen whether the split will show outside the seed case.
The tovarii keep coming; this one at day 97. Apparently I carried a seed over to the new container when I transplanted a previous sprout, so now I'm up to a half-dozen in this new generation. He looks hungry!
Also this Lanceolatum came up yesterday at day 63, but with a super bad helmet head. The hook was still bent, so I sprinkled a little fine peat moss on it, sprayed the surface, and covered the container with plastic wrap to hold in the moisture, hoping that would do the trick. This morning it re-hooked, but it remains to be seen whether the split will show outside the seed case.
The tovarii keep coming; this one at day 97. Apparently I carried a seed over to the new container when I transplanted a previous sprout, so now I'm up to a half-dozen in this new generation. He looks hungry!
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A few of my new C.Flexuosum getting going OK
Liking the nice low fork on this C.Eximium x C.Cardenasii plant
Liking the nice low fork on this C.Eximium x C.Cardenasii plant
Looking good, @ChilliCrosser! That little cross is going
to be a beaut. I love it when they fork low like that.
I have an Aji Amarillo that did that this time a round.
My JA Red Habaneros have been known to do that,
as well.
to be a beaut. I love it when they fork low like that.
I have an Aji Amarillo that did that this time a round.
My JA Red Habaneros have been known to do that,
as well.
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Just a lil update on my 1/22/22 Lanceolatum & Tov ....planted all but 5 seeds ie approx. 10 & 2 came up with helmets
and b/c the seeds are so tiny I decided to wait & see if I'll get lucky even with one...no such luck
Planted the remaining 5 seeds I kept just in case...will see...on the other hand, I have one Tovarii sprouted to add to
the o/w one which is doing nicely just needed a back up...that's it ..will do my non wilds in a lil while...
Lanceolatum replaces the Tovarii as the hardest to germinate in my case...duh.
Prayers for our brothers & sisters who are in my thoughts...so BRAVE.
and b/c the seeds are so tiny I decided to wait & see if I'll get lucky even with one...no such luck
Planted the remaining 5 seeds I kept just in case...will see...on the other hand, I have one Tovarii sprouted to add to
the o/w one which is doing nicely just needed a back up...that's it ..will do my non wilds in a lil while...
Lanceolatum replaces the Tovarii as the hardest to germinate in my case...duh.
Prayers for our brothers & sisters who are in my thoughts...so BRAVE.
Took some of my C.Tovarii out of my heated propagator a few days ago to try and convince them to do something. They are in rooting cubes. Put them inside an old transparent ice-cream container with the lid on, put a thin cloth towel on top of a radiator and put the tub on top. Figured it was worth trying even wilder temperature swings than I'd been giving them in the propagator.
2 days later and a single C.Tovarii has raised its head, currently a helmet head though. Will see how it shapes up but at least increasing the temperature range seems to have anecdotally woken them up. Some C.Lanceolatum are having the same treatment now as well.
2 days later and a single C.Tovarii has raised its head, currently a helmet head though. Will see how it shapes up but at least increasing the temperature range seems to have anecdotally woken them up. Some C.Lanceolatum are having the same treatment now as well.
I never posted a conclusion for my dodgy flexuosum. The half germination shown, at day 32, was the extent of the action. It made no progress and nothing else popped up after two more weeks, so I wrote it off.
I’m aware that 46 days is too early to give up on a species like this, but, as detailed in my glog, I was fed up with the Jiffy pellets and ready to move back to more familiar soil. They were unexpected bonus seeds, as well. Next year’s tougher wilds will be more intentional.
That said, I’m still growing a true wild as well as several “wildish” varieties:
Chiltepin Hermosillo Dwarf (wild glabriusculum dwarf from the Sonoran capital; interested to compare results with @PaulG)
Bird’s Eye Baby (pequin dwarf of unknown provenance, much heralded as an ideal bonchi candidate)
Yellow Pequin (cultivated mutation of a naturalized pequin from Querétaro)
Ají Caballero (naturalized, sometimes cultivated frutescens from Puerto Rico)
Ají Charapita (naturalized and cultivated chinense from Iquitos)
I’m also growing CGN 22184 ‘Peach Frutescens’, an interesting frutescens X chinense. It has persistently been referred to as wild, but I can’t see a justification for that. Am I off-base?
Photos as soon as true leaves show up; right now they’re all anonymous sprouts.
I’m aware that 46 days is too early to give up on a species like this, but, as detailed in my glog, I was fed up with the Jiffy pellets and ready to move back to more familiar soil. They were unexpected bonus seeds, as well. Next year’s tougher wilds will be more intentional.
That said, I’m still growing a true wild as well as several “wildish” varieties:
Chiltepin Hermosillo Dwarf (wild glabriusculum dwarf from the Sonoran capital; interested to compare results with @PaulG)
Bird’s Eye Baby (pequin dwarf of unknown provenance, much heralded as an ideal bonchi candidate)
Yellow Pequin (cultivated mutation of a naturalized pequin from Querétaro)
Ají Caballero (naturalized, sometimes cultivated frutescens from Puerto Rico)
Ají Charapita (naturalized and cultivated chinense from Iquitos)
I’m also growing CGN 22184 ‘Peach Frutescens’, an interesting frutescens X chinense. It has persistently been referred to as wild, but I can’t see a justification for that. Am I off-base?
Photos as soon as true leaves show up; right now they’re all anonymous sprouts.
@thoroughburro - Did you source your Hermosillo
Dwarf Chiltepin from Semillas la Palma? Will also
be growing the Yellow Pequin. My strain orig. came
from @smokemaster via @PtMD989, and others*.
The Peach frutescens could be a wild cross. I have
read in several places that Pimenta de Neyde is such
a beast. Anything with a CGN, CAP, etc is an accession
cultivated by various botanical institutions, so not really
a domesticated variety, as far as I know.
edit: *@Bhuter and @fiogga.
Dwarf Chiltepin from Semillas la Palma? Will also
be growing the Yellow Pequin. My strain orig. came
from @smokemaster via @PtMD989, and others*.
The Peach frutescens could be a wild cross. I have
read in several places that Pimenta de Neyde is such
a beast. Anything with a CGN, CAP, etc is an accession
cultivated by various botanical institutions, so not really
a domesticated variety, as far as I know.
edit: *@Bhuter and @fiogga.
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Yes, my Hermosillo Dwarf is also from SLP. I have such plans for it!
I can think of many accessions which are domesticated for sure... the databases are chock full of stuff collected from markets, or of pod types which could only result from many generations of effort. For instance, the habanero I have such hopes for, Habanero Oxkutzcabense was introduced to the seed trade as PI 438629, collected in 1979 from the famous citrus market in Oxkutzcab, Yucatán.
My understanding is that anything with a pod much larger or farther from round than a pequin is extremely likely to be domesticated, which doesn’t preclude being naturalized following domestication. I believe that pequins themselves are considered to be a domestication step just beyond the smaller, rounder chiltepin. They are what you get as you begin to select for larger chiltepin pods.
In general, large pods, non-red pods, pendant pods, and pods which don’t readily detach are signs of active human selection, since they are passively selected against in nature.
At least, that’s what I’ve read.
I can think of many accessions which are domesticated for sure... the databases are chock full of stuff collected from markets, or of pod types which could only result from many generations of effort. For instance, the habanero I have such hopes for, Habanero Oxkutzcabense was introduced to the seed trade as PI 438629, collected in 1979 from the famous citrus market in Oxkutzcab, Yucatán.
My understanding is that anything with a pod much larger or farther from round than a pequin is extremely likely to be domesticated, which doesn’t preclude being naturalized following domestication. I believe that pequins themselves are considered to be a domestication step just beyond the smaller, rounder chiltepin. They are what you get as you begin to select for larger chiltepin pods.
In general, large pods, non-red pods, pendant pods, and pods which don’t readily detach are signs of active human selection, since they are passively selected against in nature.
At least, that’s what I’ve read.
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Interesting that our Yellow Pequin sources are different. Mine are from RFC, who tells a very fine story about the variety. Hard to resist a seed story! 
Right, @thoroughburro! I always like to know
where my seeds have come from.
Great information in your above post. I like this
for background as well - Inferno Chilli.net. Can't
remember which forum member* turned me on
to this by Carolina Garcia, but if you can wade
through it, a ship-load of interesting stuff. I skip-
ped a lot of the methodology stuff.
Sounds like you may have already been familiar
with these.
*edit: It was @Pr0digal_son.
where my seeds have come from.
Great information in your above post. I like this
for background as well - Inferno Chilli.net. Can't
remember which forum member* turned me on
to this by Carolina Garcia, but if you can wade
through it, a ship-load of interesting stuff. I skip-
ped a lot of the methodology stuff.
Sounds like you may have already been familiar
with these.
*edit: It was @Pr0digal_son.
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Those glossy green leaves! I’m tempted to accuse you of using a leaf shine. Seriously, it’s like a houseplant. I’ll live vicariously through it and like as not beg seeds.
And yes, I had already seen those resources, but only thanks to both of you spreading them through the forum! In the same spirit, I made a post for my favorite resources, which includes them.
And yes, I had already seen those resources, but only thanks to both of you spreading them through the forum! In the same spirit, I made a post for my favorite resources, which includes them.
The flexuosums started out that way in the
AeroGarden. By far the darkest green foliage
of all the plants in my grow.
Thanks to you and @ChilliCrosser for posting
these resources here..