I have been trying out some new germination tricks and after waiting only 1-2 days after putting in some seed that was carefully clipped (like i saw done by another forum member) i have a sprout all the others have been in a week or two and still nothing as of yet with Chamomile tea soak and regular water soak and also the slightly sanded ones so i will continue my experiments and will see how things progress. hopefully the Primo 7 pod seed that has just germinated grows well enough to overwinter under lights and produce lots of seed for me next year!