Recent content by yochannontzvi

Yeah, but, I don't think my religion is better than anyone elses. Nor do I think it's inherently "better". It's different and you don't understand why. If you can't see that from what I wrote, read again. There's not really a right or wrong. If I failed to convey that, sorry. But, I thinj I made...

You guys relate to scripture as a book of morals and theology. Jews don't. We're not saying certain stories don't have morals to them, though. We simply view scripture as a book of law. It is solely your guy's outlook that views scripture as making moral statements and the likes; Grant included...

  The point is that the laws were speaking in relative terms. It wasn't saying there's a "right or wrong". U.S. law is based off British Common Law. Is it because British Common Law or U.S. law is objectively the best law? Not necessarily. It's that it was relative to the people it spoke to and...

  תניא כוותיה -  Define it. If you can't, we've got nothing to discuss.

  Read post #93 again. Read it very carefully. The point is that the laws are relative in a certain sense. It's not that I can't explain it to a goy. Gran'ts Jewish and he doesn't get it. I said it very clearly: Judaism is a process and you have to go through it. It's a different way of looking...

  Really? As in those with a lower intelligence? You can't understand from anything else previously said that we don't hold cheeseburgers as wrong. I thought I made it clear a few posts up when I responded to Grant's comment on Hammurabi. If you can't take that meaning out of the text, perhaps...

  No one said it's inherently a bad idea. You don't understand that. A cheeseburger is not wrong. That's what you all don't get. You have such a completely different understanding of religion and God, you can't understand why we don't eat them while saying there's nothing wrong with them. I said...

  Grant, you can't read Hebrew and there's practically no Orthodox Jews in Sarasota. I know them all and you're not included among them. You never were and probably never will be. You don't speak the same language as me. Explaining Judaism to you is futile. I can't explain the Jewish mode of...

  A mobsters kid? Unfortunately, I never had the privilege of growing up around such people. Perhaps you could edify me further as I'm simply not seeing what you're saying. You start going off about creation and e=mc2. What's that got to do with anything? Really? Who's discussing that? That's...

  It depends on how bad the rest of the world f**ks up when they decide to go against us.   Okay? Mazal tov? Who's arguing about creation? Who's discussing a beginning or an end? Did you misread my signature or something? I don't deny evolution either. What are you getting at?

  No. Don't conflate Zionism with the entirety of Jewish history. Read the Tanakh. The entire Decalogue is about establishing law and order in a land they sought to establish as their own while forging their own national identity and rule. Ashkenazim come way after anything we're discussing...

  I'm inclined to more or less agree with you. The thing is, we don't really have "faith". It's a matter of perception. You either perceive there's a God or there isn't. I don't see that as a matter of faith. I see that as a matter of culmination of life's experiences and the resources available...

You can read any of the books of prophets, even the Pentateuch, to deduce that was not the case. Hey, I'm just saying, if you look at the Jewish history as a national one as opposed to religious, it loses a lot of the taste of religion.

  Also, when you get into the nitty gritty of it, you'll find that slavery, for example, was not encouraged. It was *allowed*. You simply can't strip a bronze age society of the notion of slavery. On this the Talmud comes to comment that one who has a lot of slaves is considered a lowlife.   I...

  I won't argue that Hammurabi's code didn't play a factor in the development of Biblical law. I think it did, to some extent. That's sort of the beauty of it, really. The Torah was a document that acknowledged the human condition and what they believed at the time. Assuming you accept we have...