Walchit 2019

TrentL · Feb 9, 2019

Walchit said:
I got some purple leaves on some promos and cinders. I either had the new ghetto light too close or I haven't been feeding them enough. Ill hit em with some fish stank and see what happens

Have the same dilemma in my grow room. Lots of seedlings have purple stems and purple tinged leaves, under 1/2 light (4 of 8 T5 bulbs on). Wasn't really sure of the cause, but think I have it figured out now.

They got worse over a few days so I hit them with 5-1-1 fish emulsion and myco earlier than I usually would, they're now greening back up again slowly. However I still think I have a nutrient issue.

Part of the problem is I'm running trays very wet still as germination is still ongoing, so what sprouts just kind of stalls out for a while. They're setting REALLY nice roots, but the top growth is very sluggish. Hopefully once all the cells fill and I can let the trays dry out to "normal" moisture levels the micronutrients will become more available.

I am going to see if I can get azomite to suspend long enough to use it in a liquid fertilizer, to see if I can get some trace nutrients in the mix next time. If not I'll dust the trays with it before doing a top-water fert run next time, let the liquid carry it down in to the coir. Now that I have myco introduced there should be enough organic biology going on to break stuff down. You've got to have some microbial activity to make P available.

Walchit · Feb 9, 2019

Yeah I got them with compost tea, then followed with cal mag and fish hydrosalate on the next watering, and moved the lights up. So hopefully something fixes it lol.

Some of them have some distorted leaves and stuff too.

TrentL · Feb 9, 2019

Those are way ahead of my plants. When did you start those?

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

Jan 11th on most of them.

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

Here's is a peach bonnet scorpion cross, it was the first to pop so it got a big pot, so did deda de moca.
Its crazy how much better they are doing. Its either quantum theory or the bigger pot.

Peach bonnet scorpion x

Deda de moca

Next year I might go ahead and start in the 18 cell trays instead of 72. Seems like it makes a big difference.

skullbiker · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
Here's is a peach bonnet scorpion cross, it was the first to pop so it got a big pot, so did deda de moca.
Its crazy how much better they are doing. Its either quantum theory or the bigger pot.

Peach bonnet scorpion x

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Deda de moca

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Next year I might go ahead and start in the 18 cell trays instead of 72. Seems like it makes a big difference.

They do not like tight shoes, they like to wiggle their toes!

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

I was trying to save a little on the electric bill lol. I think I could start later in bigger pots and get the same results. But then I would want to pot up again lol.

Harry_Dangler · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
Here's is a peach bonnet scorpion cross, it was the first to pop so it got a big pot, so did deda de moca.
Its crazy how much better they are doing. Its either quantum theory or the bigger pot.

Peach bonnet scorpion x

20190210_061636.jpg

Deda de moca

20190210_061651.jpg

Next year I might go ahead and start in the 18 cell trays instead of 72. Seems like it makes a big difference.

Nice plants in those bigger pots. We mostly start in 36s, then move to 3.5 inchers. As required, the next step is one gallons or into the ground. We've found this works best for us. Our problem with the bigger pots is space and lighting.

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

I hear ya! I ordered 3.25 inch pots because I didn't know if 3.5 would fit in the 1020 trays.

I'm gonna pot up 360(maybe more) into the 3.25s, I'm gonna use the bottom side of my shelves this year, so 6 areas that are 5x3(2x4 with good light coverage)

PaulG · Feb 10, 2019

Sounds like a major project, Andy. Makes my
small grow seem like, well, I don't know what.

Very impressive, my friend :clap:

Kennylay · Feb 10, 2019

I read a study a while back about how early factors affected growth speed exponentially throughout the entire grow.

They were getting some crazy decrease in dry weight at the end of the season from removing half of a cotyledon early and nothing else.

You might be on to something with more room early, as the plants are obviously wayyyy ahead of the others.

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

Geez I've inadvertently removed a coty or ten lol.

And Paul, I'm just trying to make sure I get some pods!

Devv · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
I got some purple leaves on some promos and cinders. I either had the new ghetto light too close or I haven't been feeding them enough. Ill hit em with some fish stank and see what happens

Some Alaska never hurt a plant

That and I'm a fan of large shoes from the get go, and then quickly into even larger.

But with the amout you have going....I'm thinking you need to add on to your place LOL

TrentL · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
Jan 11th on most of them.

OK good I was thinking "good grief I'm horrible at this" but you're 1/3 further along than I am.

Of course, another 11 or 12 days might pass and then I'll look back and say "yup, I'm horrible at this"

TrentL · Feb 10, 2019

Kennylay said:
I read a study a while back about how early factors affected growth speed exponentially throughout the entire grow.

They were getting some crazy decrease in dry weight at the end of the season from removing half of a cotyledon early and nothing else.

You might be on to something with more room early, as the plants are obviously wayyyy ahead of the others.

I'd believe it.

Fertilizers matter, too.

I noticed last year that if I hit sprouts with fish emulsion as or immediately after they hooked, they set true leaves 5 days earlier than their counterparts. So an early dose of something to get them going is kind of critical to kickstarting the process. They've used up any and all stored energy in that seed just going through that monumental growth spurt to get them out of the soil. Then they've got to strain through getting their first true leaves growing when all of the "real" stuff happens. True leaves are real tissue, it needs all of the hormones and nutrient movement to build the complex structures required for true leaves to grow. Cotys help get that kickstarted (giving you a light exchange mechanism for it to pick up necessary carbon out of the air, to build those new molecules) but a plant needs a full range of micro and macro nutrients available to grow the first "real" tissue. Especially the mobile ones.

Sprouting in coir, if I add no nutrients to it, the plants will indefinitely hang out as small seedlings with very tiny, or no true leaf development. On my last tray of the year last year, I ran a little ad hoc experiment and didn't give it any nutrients whatsoever.

Those plants never hit the dirt that year. They stalled out at cotys for nearly 2 1/2 months before I finally forgot to water them and they kicked the bucket. They never did grow out true leaves beyond a little tiny amount.

Harry_Dangler · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
Geez I've inadvertently removed a coty or ten lol.

And Paul, I'm just trying to make sure I get some pods!

That's my process!

Walchit · Feb 10, 2019

TrentL said:
OK good I was thinking "good grief I'm horrible at this" but you're 1/3 further along than I am.

Of course, another 11 or 12 days might pass and then I'll look back and say "yup, I'm horrible at this"

I was gonna go back through your glog and tell you a started the same day you did lol. I was to lazy to get ya with that one lol.

I'm baking my last tray of ocean forest right now. Probably won't have enough lol.

TrentL · Feb 10, 2019

Walchit said:
I was gonna go back through your glog and tell you a started the same day you did lol. I was to lazy to get ya with that one lol.

I'm baking my last tray of ocean forest right now. Probably won't have enough lol.

Man I'm glad you didn't, I might have curled up in a corner and cried myself to sleep.

Arthropods · Feb 12, 2019

TrentL said:
I'd believe it.

Fertilizers matter, too.

I noticed last year that if I hit sprouts with fish emulsion as or immediately after they hooked, they set true leaves 5 days earlier than their counterparts. So an early dose of something to get them going is kind of critical to kickstarting the process. They've used up any and all stored energy in that seed just going through that monumental growth spurt to get them out of the soil. Then they've got to strain through getting their first true leaves growing when all of the "real" stuff happens. True leaves are real tissue, it needs all of the hormones and nutrient movement to build the complex structures required for true leaves to grow. Cotys help get that kickstarted (giving you a light exchange mechanism for it to pick up necessary carbon out of the air, to build those new molecules) but a plant needs a full range of micro and macro nutrients available to grow the first "real" tissue. Especially the mobile ones.

Sprouting in coir, if I add no nutrients to it, the plants will indefinitely hang out as small seedlings with very tiny, or no true leaf development. On my last tray of the year last year, I ran a little ad hoc experiment and didn't give it any nutrients whatsoever.

Those plants never hit the dirt that year. They stalled out at cotys for nearly 2 1/2 months before I finally forgot to water them and they kicked the bucket. They never did grow out true leaves beyond a little tiny amount.

Im super glad Im reading this. Ive started seeds in coir twice and both times Ive had them develop super slowly for about a month. I mean cotyledons to first pair of tiny true leaves, they just hover for a month somewhere in that range. That happened this year too! Them coming out of it maaay have been coincidental with my decision that what they had looked enough like first true leaves to fertilize. But Im not sure. Luckily I still have some chinense and all annuums to start. Im gonna run my own little test. Great tips!

Also going to throw some straight into 3/4 gallon grow bags, see how they like it. Ive seen the exact same thing you all have, with plants that are in small cells waaay behind plants I potted up early.

karoo · Feb 12, 2019

Good looking tray of plants you have there.

Is that a f1 cross? It might be bigger due to Hybrid Vigor , it's a real thing!