I am going to try to get to the bottom of this for everyone's sake. This is not taking sides in any way this is beneficial to everyone and should cut to the chase.
Joe, is there proof of the SHU rating of said tested pepper as in copies of lab results that you are going to publish, or Guinness certification and/or lab results that you are going to publish? If so, when and where?
Or
Are the results to remain unpublished and the numbers in the press release are the extent of your release of information regarding SHU of said tested pepper?
Please let us know so the bickering can stop and members can buy/discuss based on proof or trust.
Thank you!
Hey Mod,
I just copy and posted this to Ed. He works full time in the Banking industry.
My vote is to release the information from Winthrop University right away.
I'm only part of the team...I posted a pic of the entire team that worked on this project and have a vested interest in the Carolina Reaper and will post pics again now. Along with other pics from that visit to the University.Ed goes to the University weekly and has for many years. He's put a significant amount of work into the testing.
Still Again, I'm one vote.
Ed gets final say...and of course he plans on releasing the information....when he's ready.
I'd like it to be sooner rather than later...but it's his call and I support him on it 100%.
I'll tell you what I do know. I traveled to the Winthrop University and our entire team met with Professor Cliff Calloway. He explained the entire process of the testing and how many years he's been doing it. (I even understood a lot of it lol) I saw the equipment close up and personal. We were there for 3 hours. Bottom line: That's the extent of what I know on testing. I'm not privvy to reports/final numbers. But I want to say this loud and clear...Professor Calloway and Ed Currie seem 100% credable and men of high integrity. The ball is in Ed's court on this now.
On the Guinness certification. There was a lot of debate on that process and how it works in my original post back in February and several of the HATERS had BIG opinions with SMALL knowledge. THEY WERE ALL WRONG about the Guinness process.
It amazes me how these handful of people know so much about how Guiness works when they have '0' first hand knowledge and we have a TON of it. Bottom line on Guiness is this...There has been ongoing submissions and communication with Guiness from Ed Currie and Bob Nunnencamp, one of the partners and previous executive with Pepsi Cola. They expressed to me WAY BACK IN February their frustration with Guiness moving slow and getting expensive. I said it before and I'll say it again (2nd hand knowledge...but close up) Guiness is NOT a Charity. They are a for profit Organization that sells beer too and they want to make money. They can add in Fast track fees, adjunctuator fees, marketing fees (you can pay to fly a Guinness Exec over here to support you with your project...if you put up the $$$) This is NOT FREE or CHEAP as some THP members have said. To think it is free or inexpensive is preposterous. It has turned out to be a frustrating and arduous process. (some other folks say Guiness responds to business in the UK much faster than us here in the USA) Ed again can speak to this. Look, with or without Guiness validation we have the Hottest Pepper in the world by tested weighted average over many years of documented testing. I can't swear to the high number. In my opinion it is NOT about the high number that cannot be duplicated. It is about the AVERAGE or MEAN number.... THAT is what can be duplicated in the average gardeners back yard....that's what counts! And the way that Ed has kept the weighted averages within a tight, statistical range (200,00 SHU I believe) that is critical. The average guy can grow a very hot pepper with a bunch of taste. In my opinion the Hottest he's ever grown. That gardener isn't interested in one off numbers that he CANNOT duplicate....he really doesn't care about that. But for all I know Ed can publish a one off that will blow your mind.
Bottom line on Guinness....they are not pepper experts, but they are an excellent credability enhancer. So my vote was to continue the process. And we are. We'll see how that plays out.
Also, besides hard numbers data (which I prefer) there is also testimonial data. Two of the most credable and highly respected sources in this industry give a glowing video review which now resides in the Promotion Category on THP. Please visit there and see Mike McDermotts review and Scott Roberts review of the Carolina Reaper.
Hey Mod look...many people on my team as well as even Ed ask me whey I jump right in and keep answering this stuff...when all folks need to do is be patient and wait. These dozen haters didn't EVEN BUY THE SEEDS (most of them are just traders)....they have no vested interest...they just want to see us fail and say "I told you so". Newsflash to the Haters....we won't fail. Both companies will grow and do well and prosper.
Pepper Joe's has been doing a great business before HP22b and the Reaper.
I'm taking this time Mod because YOU asked for it...and I'm always concerned that some Newbies or Visitors to THP see some erronious statements, and just may believe them.
Here's those pics I promised of the testing process at the Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.
The whole team at a strategy meeting...I joke with Ed about his big payroll.
Professor Cliff Calloway explaining testing process to us.
Sophisticated SHU testing machine. Ed was there weekly.
Carolina Reaper roll out team. There is a ton of talent here and over 200 years combined business experience mostly with high level companies and positions. Quality people!
Pepper extracts after documented and recorded testings
Professor Calloway, Ed and myself. 3 happy dudes with the way it's shaping up.
I already received an email asking me:
"How do we know that this all actually took place at the Winthrop University and isn't a Sham?".
WOW man....WOW.
This is my LAST post for a while......
Fiery Regards,
Pepper Joe
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