vendor Best Business Practices... BakersPeppers... $ 5,000 Facts... No Drama... Admins... No Trolls in this

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Rhody

Rhody

I have remained patient for nearly two years involving a business loan of $ 5,000  that has not be repaid in part or whole from BakersPeppers in late March 2012

Here are the facts, and email timeline history.  I have contacted Dale, He has responded, first making excuses, then a promise to pay 1000$ of the loan by December 15, 2013.  It is now December 20th, and I sent a polite reminder to him last week.  It was not responded to.
 
The time line starts early in 2011.  At the time Dale had recently posted a video or two of a large number of healthy super hot peppers in his nursery.  I made contact, long story short, I provided Dale a certified bank pepper loan of $ 5,000 top help him expand his business. 

What follows below is a summary of emails over the next 20 months to the present.  I will let the emails tell the story, word for word. First see the certified check made out to and cashed by him in March 2012.  I want to add that this was a no interest loan, you can't do better than that from any bank.
 
Before I get to the email history, I just wanted to mention that if Mr Bakers were strapped for cash, how could he take his spouse and two kids on vacation recently for two weeks ?  At best it would seem a poor business decision on his part.
 
Everything I stated here is true.  I have original emails with IP and Domain name trace if needed.
 
As you you can see, Mr Bakers has made excuses and a promise for partial payment of $ 1,000 on 12/15/13 which has not been kept.
 
I have been more than fair and patient in this matter.  The next step is up to you...  A man is only as good as his word, in the end nothing else matters.
 
Admins, please do not let this thread spin out of control, no flamers who cannot back their claims with times, dates and facts.
 
This is not about character assassination, it is about good business practice.
 
Thanks...
 
Rhody...

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3/25/12
[SIZE=10pt]David,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]    I really appreciate this my friend...really! You have no idea how much it means to me that u will do this for me! Like i said..it will take quite some time to get it back to you but it WILL get back to you over time :)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]Dale E. Baker Jr[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3408 Colwell Ave[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Tampa, Fl 33614[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]I dont have a home phone as these days its more cost effective to have an unlmited data/calls/texts plan on my cell phone....[/SIZE]
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          [SIZE=10pt]******************************************************************************************************************************************************[/SIZE]       [SIZE=10pt]8/13/12[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]Hey Dave...as I stated to u at the time u did loan me the $5k I told u I
had no clue when I could even begin to repay you...and you werequite ok
with that at the time....I now am in a huge crisis with the USPS &UPS!
They owe me over $2k in insurance claims and i may not get it! But i had
to refund that money to my customers....plus now my father is leaving
me! He backing it up and calling it quits! I can't run the place myself
and having to hire help when my bank account is in the negative is going
to be hard to do...the summer has SLOWED my crop speed WAY down to a
crawl! I am lowering prices to compete with others and I barely have any
inventory as it is due to the slow summers high heat...I told you that i
would get you the $$ back ASAP...could be a while I said...I remember
trying to be very clear I had no clue when i could start getting you
some back to you....and right now is not a good time at all....I hate to
say that...honestly I do...as u truly were there for me when i needed
it...I'm sorry my pepper biz is starting so slow...trust me...I need $$
very bad myself...I can't even pay this months electric bill...first
time that's happened here my dad says in 45 years....Im struggling
myself....and i don't know what to say.....I'm sorry Dave...I hoped u
wouldn't "need' it anytime soon like I tried to tell you at the time...I
feel horrible....[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]dale@bakerspeppers.com[/SIZE]

 
 
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[SIZE=10pt]Dale Jr[/SIZE]
 
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11/11/13[/SIZE]


I have been patient and as my next to last email to you states, I am simply requesting you repay the business loan I made to you on 3/36/2012. I put my hard earned money on you to help you succeed when you needed more equipment for your pepper business. It has been almost a year and a half since you cashed the check.  Not once have you contacted me by phone, text or email to settle this matter.  I have contacted you at least three times to try to negotiate payment and every time you have had excuses. The next step is up to you.
 
I hope you are a man of your word, because a man's reputation is like gold in the niche hot pepper business.
 
Sincerely,
 
Dave Williams

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11/11/13
 
[SIZE=10pt]Hey Dave....[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]I wanted to say i have not been ducking u at all. I have been real busy working on peppers and having another child at the same time. I told u i have every intention of paying u back in full! December 15th i will send u a check for $1,000....its a start...i can make a payment every now and then but all at once just isnt realistic as i never have that type of $$ all at once....hope this helps...let me know :) [/SIZE]

Dale,
 
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11/16/13


Dale,
 
That is a start, please send a bank check with the note section as follows:  payment $ 1,000 pepper business loan, balance due of $ 4,000, this will serve as our receipt.
 
Thanks...

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11/16/13
 

Dale,
 
That is a start, please send a bank check with the note section as follows:  payment $ 1,000 pepper business loan, balance due of $ 4,000, this will serve as our receipt.
 
Thanks...

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12/11/13
 
Dale,
 
Just a reminder you said above that you agreed to sending a bank check $ 1,000 (post marked ) by Dec 15th.   I hope you are a man of your word.

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To all,
 
Let's keep this thread civil, if Bakers pays off the debt I will remove the thread right away.  I dont see how I can be more fair than that.  It would be good for his business reputation.  He knows that.
 
Please note:  I have updated the second 11/11/13 post above where Dale agreed to pay me $ 1,000 by 12/15/13.  I failed to post it in the original post.
 
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    BakersPeppers
    Do u guys even know Dave agreed I never had to pay him a dime???
 
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And if the growing is done year-round, why all the pre-sales? If they're grown year-round, shouldn't they be sold year-round?
 
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PrimeTime said:
So they ripen slower in the summer..?
 
Sorry Im trying to learn here..
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of course they do, cause you know pepper plants dont love heat and dont grow faster when its hot out. dontcha know!
 
elcap1999 said:
And if the growing is done year-round, why all the pre-sales? If they're grown year-round, shouldn't they be sold year-round?
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thats an easy one to answer, cause ummm the pods grow slower in the summer, so he ends up selling out all his winter stuff cause they grow faster. and umm gotta have pre sales to try to keep up with the 200+ boxes a week, cause its slower in the summer
 
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DONE HERE!
mx5inpa said:
 
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    Do u guys even know Dave agreed I never had to pay him a dime???
 
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sure AND do you guys even know that my uncle is the TOOTH FAIRY and she is very PRETTY
 
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Yeah, I'm sure peppers do just great in the winter up north, with the frost, snow, ice, colder temps, and shorter periods of sunlight...  :crazy:
 
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magicpepper said:
well yeah, we can grow all year round cause we have the perfect weather here, unlike sunny florida where the weather is warm and sun is shinning and the temps are perfect.  
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Maybe Dale needs to move to the most north point of Alaska and grow the Chocolate I[ce/-S]cream Reaper.
$$$$$$$$$ guaranteed and then he can pay off Dave and rid himself of this thread.
Ice cold, baby!
 
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Guns_N_Pods said:
So who has seen Baker's Peppers newest Marketplace ad?  Apparently it's up to us to pay Dave back.  
 
I can't even...my brain hurts, and I haven't even eaten a pepper.  I just...I can't comprehend...the ignorance, the stupidity.  
 
This might be the slimiest move I have ever witnessed by a business.  
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Does he honestly think we're stupid/gullible enough to fall for that? Expecting us to buy from him in order to pay his debt to Rhody?
 
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And doesnt "So to cut to the chase here, in order for Dave "Rhody" Williams to get his MONEY I will need to SELL SOME PEPPERS! Am I making ANY sense here??" sound like a veiled admission he doesn't sell as much as he claims?
 
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Guns_N_Pods said:
With all due respect to the mods, why is this shady, untrustworthy business still allowed to conduct business here?
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look at dales subscription cost to the site, look at how much it costs to post an ad, and look at how many ads he has, also because he owes rhody that money.
that is just my guess, if it isnt right im sorry thp and mods
 
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So this stupid Rhody fund ad....
 
Baker, you say this bullshit in your ad
 
Bottom line is simple.....I can DO NOTHING MORE IN EFFORTS TO GET DAVE PAID!
 
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How long ago did you say you had a 1k payment and 500 in interest to send him in July? Two days ago?
 
Now you have no way of paying him without blackmailing us into buying your moldy shit peppers?
 
Wheres the $1500? 
 
You need a goddamn spanking you childish little boy
 
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Rhody, if I may be so bold and offer advice... take a screenshot of the ad Dale posted, and file suit against him for the money plus whatever legal fees you may incur. It's obvious Dale's using whatever cheap tactics he can think of to weasel his way out of paying you back the remainder of the loan.
 
Edit: I took the screenshot for you in case you want it
 
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