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This is late in coming, and I don't have pictures for everything... So bear with me.

Iive in zone 9b, and we had quite a mild winter, so I started germinating seeds indoors in october. I have a desk with a hutch and a built in Flourescent light... I also have a surround sound system with rather tall speakers that leave about 5 inches between the light in the hutch and my jiffy green house. I started 10 Orange Habs, 10 Long Thin Cayenne, 10 Thai Sun, and 10 Big Early Jalapenos, the seed was not isolated and was collected off my plants from last year. The cayenne was a sad plant, and only produced 3 or 4 pods all summer... The Habanero beside it produced enough to make gallons of puree'd Habs that I love to eat by the spoon full. The Jalapeno likewise produced pound upon pound of pods. I selected the biggest pods from each and saved the seed.

All 40 seeds came up, and this being the first year I've grown peppers out from seed, I was unprepared with something to transplant them into. I called up a few friends and had them save 2 ltr bottles, milk jugs, orange juice containers (plastic and sealed cardboard) and any other container in that size that they would be willing to spare. I also went to biglots and bought a ton of styrofoam cups at 51 cups for 1$. By the time they were ready for transplant I had aquired about 100 assorted bottles in the 2ltr and half gallon to 1 gallon range. So I ordered more seeds from amazon (yeah yeah I know... I ordered from Hinterlands, and it remains to be seen if they grow true or not), PepperJoe, regal seeds (free from posting links on facebook) and picked up some burpee bell peppers. My mother came over to visit one day, and I was re-potting my seedlings... Up till this point I had been using a map to know which seedling was which. Mom offered to help, and within just a few minutes I no longer knew which was which... All I know for sure, is that they are either Jalapenos, Cayenne, or Habaneros.

Feeling pretty confident, I picked up a couple of 72 cell jiffy green houses, and loaded them up with seeds. I had fantastic luck with the Trinidad Scorpions, and Bhut Jolokias (red) but terrible luck with the Chocolate Habs, 7pot, and a few others. I contacted the vendor, and was promptly re-shipped a new batch of seed with a BUNCH of bonus seed. That was about the time I discovered Garden Web, and began trading seeds. This too brought up my variety count.

Currently I have 48/50 varieties germinated at about an 70% success rate (including the bad seed from the one vendor, which for giggles is still in the jiffy green house on the speaker under the flourescent tube). Currently I have 141 plants in the ground, and another 50 or 60 in re-used foam cups.

Then I discovered Amishland seeds (or something like that, I forget the name) but they have an Oh My Aching Back pepper mix for 2.50$, could have as many as 20 amish varieties all with cool stories behind them... That sounded reasonable, so I ordered the 50 seed pack and recieved almost 150 seeds. Those are currently germinating on top of a speaker beneath the flourescent light.

About that time I discovered I had an advantage when it came to hybridization... Living here in sunny florida, I can get two, and possibly even three seasons in each year (it froze 3 nights in total last winter)... Which meant a long multi-year process would take much less time... So I started doing research into hybridization. I decided to cross my Habanero with my Thai Sun hoping for a couple of specific traits to pop up. These seeds are currently germinating along with some of the others. I then learned of making graft hybrids. My first attempt (of four thus far) was to graft a Trinidad Scorpion (scion) onto my orange Hab (host). Following the protocals of the mentor graft method (but lacking grafting tape) I used packaging tape turned inside out (so the sticky parts only touched the tape, not the plants). I did not yet know the full difficulty that one has when grafting pepper plants. This first graft failed. The second graft failed. But my third graft (approach grafted a scotch Bonnet onto an orange Hab - used these because I have the most of them, and if they failed, I had lots of seed/seedlings to replace them with) seemed to be successfull. the scion had begun growing a new leaf, and the host had put out blooms (which I snipped). However I left the project too low to the ground (apparently) and my neighbors Dog mangled it badly... It might or might not survive, however after discovering this, I approach grafted a Scotch Bonnet onto an unknown Annum - likely a Cayenne. The second graft is doing well - but it remains to be seen if it will take. It has only been two days thus far.

I had two Chile de Arbols come up today, which is faster than any of the amish (or my hybrid) seeds germinated. I started this last batch in a combination of peat pellets, and the starter trays that require soil on the 25th of Feb. I currently have expanded my varieties to nearly 100, and am expecting to plant about 400 before I finish.

I live in an area that is extremely high in lime. IE you can't dig without pulling up huge lime rocks, or hitting even larger lime stone beds. With that in mind I needed to work to bring my PH down. I picked up a bale of peat moss (low ph), coffee grounds (un used), hard wood ash (burned oak to get this), Black Cow, Egg Shells, and my sister found a 3cu bale of perlite in the garage of the house she purchased... She had no use for it, so I put a good bit of this in as well (after tilling the rest Together, I ran the hoe the length of where I would be planting, and placed a little of the stuff across the bottom of the hoe'd row, then pushed the dirt back over.... for each 10x20 garden, I mixed in 1 cu ft of Peat, 12 40lb bags of composted black cow, about 1/8th inch covering of oak tree ashes, 1lb of coffee (sprinkled everywhere), and of course the perlite rows. My PH meter says that the soil is now 6.8, and I am hoping it holds. I suspect the egg shells aren't needed in light of all the lime in the soil... But I save and use them any way.

I did have one frost AFTER I had planted about 65 plants... I really didn't have anything to protect them with, so I cut down a few pieces of Bamboo and made a bivouac with a sheet of painters drop cloth (the edges held down by rocks). It worked out pretty well, except the wind blew a section of the middle back and exposted 3 plants to the elements. all but one look like they will make it. Here is the bivouac:
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. Finally I noticed that I have pods on one of the plants that I started back in October. It is nearly twice as big as anything around it. I think it could be a hybrid because of its speed of growth, however, I'm told that cayennes are just a particularly quick growing variety. I took the rest of these pictures on my iPhone, so please excuse the depth of field... Any way, here is my first Pod - I saw it on the 25th of Feb.
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See the size difference between this plant, and the plants around it?

The pod is probably 10x larger now, nearly the diameter of my pinky. and around 4 inches long.

*UPDATE 3/8 updated grow list*

Grow LIst:

C. Chinense
Aji Limo Rojo
Paper Lantern
Billy Goat (habanero type)
Bahamanian Goat
Dominican Red Habanero
Peruvian White Habanero
PI 260595 (Chinense)
Mayan Red
Habanero de Arbol
7pot BrainStrain
7pot White
7pot Red
NMSU Bhut Jalokia
Yellow Fatalii
7pot Primo
Yellow Bhut Jolokia
Orange Hab
Tazmanian Hab
Datil
White Hab
Bhut Jolokia / Naga Morrich
Trinidad Scorpion Butch T
Trinidad Scorpion
Jamaican Chocolate Hab
Red Savina
Scotch Bonnet
7pot Douglah
T.S. Moruga Blend (brain strain?)
Trinidad Perfume
Chocolate Bhut Jolokia
Dorset Naga
Hinkelhatz (red)
Hot Lemon Hab
Red Congo Trinidad
Red Savina

C.Annum
sonoran Chiltepin (hand picked in Mexico)
Habanero de arbol
japones
Hawaiian sweet hot (possibly Wailua)
Pulla Pepper (bolivia or Brazil)
Sunset (F1 hybrid)
Cascabel Chili (rattle, mirasol, bola, Ball. From Mexico)
Thai Super Hot (hybrid F1)
Florida Wild Bird
Numex Lumbre - 1-5k scu
Giant Sweet (bell?)
Numex Big Jim Legacy
Sandia A -Anaheim Type
Santa fe grande - usa
Ciliegia Piccante (Baccio di Satana aka Satans Kiss) - Italy
Chilhuacle Rojo (Chilguacle) Pablano type - Mexico
Black Scorpion Tounge
Peter
Wild Texas (Tomato? from the swap)
Fresno
Serrano
Cosa Arrugada
Big Dipper (bell)
Big early Jalapenos,
Long Red Thin Cayenne
Thai Sun
Chimaya
Pretty in Purple
Black Pearl
Purple Glow in the Dark (possibly the same as black pearl)
Yatzy aka Yatsufusa
Chili de Arbol
Anaheim
Cubanelle
Firecracker Piquin
Peppermania's Big Ass Cayenne AKA Pepper Joe’s Cayenne
Golden Cayenne
Orange Cayenne
Mulato Isleno
Punjabi (Cayenne type I think)
Hot Banana Pepper
Sweet Banana Pepper
Big Bertha
Super Heavy Weight
Bangalore Whippets Tail
Las Cruces
Filius Blue
WM Brand Chili Peppers
WM Brand Mammoth Jalapeno
Pimiento Pepper
Chiltepin
Hot Cow Horn
Pablano
var. glabriusculum
Texas Chiltepin

C. Fructescense
Tabasco
Kung Pao
Pimiento de Padron
Thai Long
Wild Grove
Guam Boonie (guam)
zimbabwe Birds Eye Chili

C. Baccatum
Aji Yellow (Peruvian)
Bolivian Wild (TALL)
Inca Red Drop (peru)
Aji Lemon Drop (aka Kellu Uchu - Long Season. Origin: Peru)
Birgits Locoto (Bolivia)

C. Galapagoense

C. Chacoense
Unknown Cultivar

C. praetermissum
Cumari Pollux


Confirmed Hybrids
Thai Sun x Orange Habanero F1
Orange Hab x Scotch Bonnet F1
7pot Douglah x Butch T Scorpion F2
Thai Super Hot F1 (parents unknown - seed swap)
Sunset F1 hybrid (Parents unknown - Seed swap)

**After the 3/8 update I now have 108 varieties**

The list is bound to grow! I have a number of varieties on their way that are not yet listed (but I will update the post as they arrive).

Also non-pepper plants I have green beans, canteloup, coriander, watermellon, summer squash, kale, lettuce, eggplant, and tomatos.

Edit: Changed tags, updated growlist 3-8
 
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Posting an upright pod picture that I took with my digital... You can see the flower in the upper right hand corner.
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Graft Update (cell phone picture).

Off to take another picture of the graft with my digital... Also of my praet hair :)

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Heavy Praeternissum.
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Check out those hairy legs :D
 
hey congrats on the graft! You had it resting in the dark right? do you think thats why it has the lightened color? Those upright pods are the Jal cross right?
 
Glad to hear you have one still trying Shane! Hopefully it turns the corner, and is all the stronger for it in the end! :)

Yeah - after I pinched it, I kept it in my relatively shady living room... it had 3 windows - all on the north wall, with a 20' porch + roof providing shade for those windows... Unless the interior lights were on, it was in the dark yes :). I put it in the kitchen (on the toaster) which has a west facing window... it gets direct sun for a half hour or so, and then filtered sun until sunset... I'm wanting to find a new window for it though, one where it receives more light.

Its a different variety, so that might be part of the cause of the different coloration. It could also be low nitrogen. I'm going to try and remember to fertilize it today with some Alaska Fish. It hasn't been fertilized in over a month.

I'm going to call the hybrid a Thai Sun hybrid... Whatever else it turns out to be, the Thai Sun is the father. You can't really see it from the pictures I have up, but there is some definite lobing developing. Which makes me wonder if it could have been crossed with my orange hab.

We shall see I suppose :).
 
Hey there, jcr. I use landscape cloth in my yard with good success, but it depends on what you put on top of it. There are a number of grades of the stuff, based on years of life, but it is all breathable and lets water pass easily, so soil temp build-up is not a problem like with black plastic. If you mulch over it with something organic, weeds can still take hold there, but are very easy to pull up. Weeds coming up through the landscape cloth are rare, but they love to come up around the edges! Mulching with coarse bark nuggets or chunks on top of the landscape cloth works great.

Good work on the graft - it looks really good. How big are those round green peppers in the top picture? Will they ripen red? I ask because a while back I posted some pics of some dried peppers, and one of them looked like those - red and round, about 3/4" in diameter. i was hoping to id them.
 
That is a hybrid... I'm not completely sure of the parentage or of their final color... I suspect as they are a F1 Hybrid, and one of the parents (Thai Sun) is Red, that because it is a dominate trait, that its pods will be red. However that may or may not hold true for the F2. The mother plant was either a Orange Habanero, or Big Early (walmart) Jalapeno.

As for size, the largest of them are about an inch in diameter... Most are around 3/4 of an inch.... Will save the seed from all the pods, but keep the larger pod's seed separate...

My first inclination is that the mother was a Jalapeno - because its growing like an annuum not a chinense... BUT Thai Sun is an Annuum as well... So it could go either way Especially since the pods seem to be developing lobes (like a hab) rather than being smooth.

I also found I have what appears to be a Jal/Cayenne cross... Either that or its the biggest Jalapeno I've ever seen...
 
Very much so :)
I'm going to start keeping a log of what I find is dominate, and what traits are recessive... Can't neccesarily always tell... But I should be able to make some educated guesses...

Upward (sun ward) growing pedicels for instance seems to be dominate, Red is dominate, I think likely round is dominate over elongated.

I'll post some pictures of the Round pods tomorrow :)
 
Well... I picked my first pods today! A whole bunch of yummy green jalapenos...

Cut and seeded them, and made some filling...

cream cheese, black pepper adobo seasoning, garlic, cumin, chili powder (store bought.. but will have some of my own soon :D) and american cheese (velveeta) mixed and melted together, and then spooned into the jalapeno halves. cooked in the oven at 250 for 20 minutes...

it was wonderfull! :D

My C. Praet's have their second set of true leaves!!
 
Congrats on the harvest my friend! I ate the first Jal off my overwinter the other day...0 heat. Damn. Hope its just the first round that is that way! Still waiting on the mucho nachos to stop growing before I find out if they're really hotter than normal Jals...hope so! Your Prat looks cool with its hairy legs! Is it like a cumari?
 
Haha thanks.... Yeah some times the first pods are quite mild. Mine were quite hot. I took some to my parents (stuffed about 40 halves) , and my dad got ahold of one that still had some seeds in it. I teased him quite a bit. You would have thought he bitten a. Douglah or something.

As it turns out your question was more difficult to answer than I would have thought. If you mean yellow cumari than nope as that one is Chinense. There
is however an orange and red cumari that are c. Praet though. This one is called "heavy praeternissum" . Apparently because of its high yields.

Oh! I found I have quite a few earthworms in my garden. Saw 10 or so while weeding... Might. E contributing to he heat :D

Good luck with your second round of harvests, may they be hotter than the first!
 
Yeah I was asking about the praet varieties of cumari. I have the Chinense one going. "Wild Brazil" according to most sources is "Cumari Do Para" although there is a bit of debate, and at least one person says he had the two side by side the they're different. The same plants from different sources are often different to though. I have tons of earthworms to!
Those Jals were really hot but small last year, so I don't know what is up with that dude. If he keeps producing bell flavored Jalapenos he's getting ripped up by the roots and burned at the stake!
 
I have cumari do para ( wild brazil), and cumari Pollux which is one of the praets. I will post some pictures of both once wild brazil sprouts :)

I dont blame you. I would compost it. Haha

Then take pictures and post them in your ow room next year haha
 
Well folks another complication has struck...

I'm writing you from a self imposed quarentine...

My sister who works at a long term care facility for the developmentally disabled has contracted H1N1 from her place of employment.

Before I knew she was sick, I gave her a ride to work.... I won't know for another half week or so if I am infected as well.

/sigh/ Just not a great year for growing peppers.

On a positive note, I got a package from AjiJoe today!!! Super exxcited, it has a ton of awesome stuff in it, including a few pods of Wild Brazil.

I'm really stoked about it. The pepper is great, around the same level of heat as a thai chili, not quite as hot as a habanero. It had a pleasant mildly familiar taste, that I can't quite place, and a hint of Lemon.

The spice hit on the right side of my tongue. Even after my mouth was no longer burning, if I licked my lips, it triggered the fire once more.

It had kind of a slow burn.

Over all I liked it :).

Can't wait till some start growing for me!
 
Oh, man! Bad luck, bro. And good fortune!
Guess it's been sort of a bipolar day for you.
Good luck getting back to your peppers!
 
Hope you don't show symptoms...and your plants are OK until you can get back to them! Won't be long till I have some of those Wild Brazil's of my own! Seems like its taking forever for their little flowers to open!
 
So far I am not symtomatic... I'm hoping I stay that way!!

My peppers are at my house, so as long as I'm not too sick to get up, I'll be able to take care of them ^^.


Very much a bi-polar day, this was only the start of it really =(.

I haven't germinated mine yet, but they are going to go in a cup today haha. I am stoked about these. You'll have to post back when you have pods and tell me what you think of them.
 
Thats a great looking plant Shane!

On the plus side, the test results came back from the second "swine" flu person I came into contact with... Turns out whatever it is they have was not swine flu, and I'm past the incubation period from my first exposure... SO it looks like the vacation is back on!! :D

Instead of KY and Mi, I'm going with plan C which was North Carolina - visiting a few places we've been and enjoy there.

Also I'm not sure if anyone else sees the coloration of the moon like we are here in florida, but its strange... I took a picture at 80x zoom...

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Finally I harvested 17 pods off of a single Cayenne Pepper plant today. The weight of the pods had pulled the whole plant over on its side... I harvested the pods, and staked the plant back up. Hopefully this fixes it. The pods are on the dehydrator now :D going to have some fresh cayenne pepper to take with us on our trip :D
 
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