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This is late in coming, and I don't have pictures for everything... So bear with me.

Iive in zone 9b, and we had quite a mild winter, so I started germinating seeds indoors in october. I have a desk with a hutch and a built in Flourescent light... I also have a surround sound system with rather tall speakers that leave about 5 inches between the light in the hutch and my jiffy green house. I started 10 Orange Habs, 10 Long Thin Cayenne, 10 Thai Sun, and 10 Big Early Jalapenos, the seed was not isolated and was collected off my plants from last year. The cayenne was a sad plant, and only produced 3 or 4 pods all summer... The Habanero beside it produced enough to make gallons of puree'd Habs that I love to eat by the spoon full. The Jalapeno likewise produced pound upon pound of pods. I selected the biggest pods from each and saved the seed.

All 40 seeds came up, and this being the first year I've grown peppers out from seed, I was unprepared with something to transplant them into. I called up a few friends and had them save 2 ltr bottles, milk jugs, orange juice containers (plastic and sealed cardboard) and any other container in that size that they would be willing to spare. I also went to biglots and bought a ton of styrofoam cups at 51 cups for 1$. By the time they were ready for transplant I had aquired about 100 assorted bottles in the 2ltr and half gallon to 1 gallon range. So I ordered more seeds from amazon (yeah yeah I know... I ordered from Hinterlands, and it remains to be seen if they grow true or not), PepperJoe, regal seeds (free from posting links on facebook) and picked up some burpee bell peppers. My mother came over to visit one day, and I was re-potting my seedlings... Up till this point I had been using a map to know which seedling was which. Mom offered to help, and within just a few minutes I no longer knew which was which... All I know for sure, is that they are either Jalapenos, Cayenne, or Habaneros.

Feeling pretty confident, I picked up a couple of 72 cell jiffy green houses, and loaded them up with seeds. I had fantastic luck with the Trinidad Scorpions, and Bhut Jolokias (red) but terrible luck with the Chocolate Habs, 7pot, and a few others. I contacted the vendor, and was promptly re-shipped a new batch of seed with a BUNCH of bonus seed. That was about the time I discovered Garden Web, and began trading seeds. This too brought up my variety count.

Currently I have 48/50 varieties germinated at about an 70% success rate (including the bad seed from the one vendor, which for giggles is still in the jiffy green house on the speaker under the flourescent tube). Currently I have 141 plants in the ground, and another 50 or 60 in re-used foam cups.

Then I discovered Amishland seeds (or something like that, I forget the name) but they have an Oh My Aching Back pepper mix for 2.50$, could have as many as 20 amish varieties all with cool stories behind them... That sounded reasonable, so I ordered the 50 seed pack and recieved almost 150 seeds. Those are currently germinating on top of a speaker beneath the flourescent light.

About that time I discovered I had an advantage when it came to hybridization... Living here in sunny florida, I can get two, and possibly even three seasons in each year (it froze 3 nights in total last winter)... Which meant a long multi-year process would take much less time... So I started doing research into hybridization. I decided to cross my Habanero with my Thai Sun hoping for a couple of specific traits to pop up. These seeds are currently germinating along with some of the others. I then learned of making graft hybrids. My first attempt (of four thus far) was to graft a Trinidad Scorpion (scion) onto my orange Hab (host). Following the protocals of the mentor graft method (but lacking grafting tape) I used packaging tape turned inside out (so the sticky parts only touched the tape, not the plants). I did not yet know the full difficulty that one has when grafting pepper plants. This first graft failed. The second graft failed. But my third graft (approach grafted a scotch Bonnet onto an orange Hab - used these because I have the most of them, and if they failed, I had lots of seed/seedlings to replace them with) seemed to be successfull. the scion had begun growing a new leaf, and the host had put out blooms (which I snipped). However I left the project too low to the ground (apparently) and my neighbors Dog mangled it badly... It might or might not survive, however after discovering this, I approach grafted a Scotch Bonnet onto an unknown Annum - likely a Cayenne. The second graft is doing well - but it remains to be seen if it will take. It has only been two days thus far.

I had two Chile de Arbols come up today, which is faster than any of the amish (or my hybrid) seeds germinated. I started this last batch in a combination of peat pellets, and the starter trays that require soil on the 25th of Feb. I currently have expanded my varieties to nearly 100, and am expecting to plant about 400 before I finish.

I live in an area that is extremely high in lime. IE you can't dig without pulling up huge lime rocks, or hitting even larger lime stone beds. With that in mind I needed to work to bring my PH down. I picked up a bale of peat moss (low ph), coffee grounds (un used), hard wood ash (burned oak to get this), Black Cow, Egg Shells, and my sister found a 3cu bale of perlite in the garage of the house she purchased... She had no use for it, so I put a good bit of this in as well (after tilling the rest Together, I ran the hoe the length of where I would be planting, and placed a little of the stuff across the bottom of the hoe'd row, then pushed the dirt back over.... for each 10x20 garden, I mixed in 1 cu ft of Peat, 12 40lb bags of composted black cow, about 1/8th inch covering of oak tree ashes, 1lb of coffee (sprinkled everywhere), and of course the perlite rows. My PH meter says that the soil is now 6.8, and I am hoping it holds. I suspect the egg shells aren't needed in light of all the lime in the soil... But I save and use them any way.

I did have one frost AFTER I had planted about 65 plants... I really didn't have anything to protect them with, so I cut down a few pieces of Bamboo and made a bivouac with a sheet of painters drop cloth (the edges held down by rocks). It worked out pretty well, except the wind blew a section of the middle back and exposted 3 plants to the elements. all but one look like they will make it. Here is the bivouac:
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. Finally I noticed that I have pods on one of the plants that I started back in October. It is nearly twice as big as anything around it. I think it could be a hybrid because of its speed of growth, however, I'm told that cayennes are just a particularly quick growing variety. I took the rest of these pictures on my iPhone, so please excuse the depth of field... Any way, here is my first Pod - I saw it on the 25th of Feb.
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See the size difference between this plant, and the plants around it?

The pod is probably 10x larger now, nearly the diameter of my pinky. and around 4 inches long.

*UPDATE 3/8 updated grow list*

Grow LIst:

C. Chinense
Aji Limo Rojo
Paper Lantern
Billy Goat (habanero type)
Bahamanian Goat
Dominican Red Habanero
Peruvian White Habanero
PI 260595 (Chinense)
Mayan Red
Habanero de Arbol
7pot BrainStrain
7pot White
7pot Red
NMSU Bhut Jalokia
Yellow Fatalii
7pot Primo
Yellow Bhut Jolokia
Orange Hab
Tazmanian Hab
Datil
White Hab
Bhut Jolokia / Naga Morrich
Trinidad Scorpion Butch T
Trinidad Scorpion
Jamaican Chocolate Hab
Red Savina
Scotch Bonnet
7pot Douglah
T.S. Moruga Blend (brain strain?)
Trinidad Perfume
Chocolate Bhut Jolokia
Dorset Naga
Hinkelhatz (red)
Hot Lemon Hab
Red Congo Trinidad
Red Savina

C.Annum
sonoran Chiltepin (hand picked in Mexico)
Habanero de arbol
japones
Hawaiian sweet hot (possibly Wailua)
Pulla Pepper (bolivia or Brazil)
Sunset (F1 hybrid)
Cascabel Chili (rattle, mirasol, bola, Ball. From Mexico)
Thai Super Hot (hybrid F1)
Florida Wild Bird
Numex Lumbre - 1-5k scu
Giant Sweet (bell?)
Numex Big Jim Legacy
Sandia A -Anaheim Type
Santa fe grande - usa
Ciliegia Piccante (Baccio di Satana aka Satans Kiss) - Italy
Chilhuacle Rojo (Chilguacle) Pablano type - Mexico
Black Scorpion Tounge
Peter
Wild Texas (Tomato? from the swap)
Fresno
Serrano
Cosa Arrugada
Big Dipper (bell)
Big early Jalapenos,
Long Red Thin Cayenne
Thai Sun
Chimaya
Pretty in Purple
Black Pearl
Purple Glow in the Dark (possibly the same as black pearl)
Yatzy aka Yatsufusa
Chili de Arbol
Anaheim
Cubanelle
Firecracker Piquin
Peppermania's Big Ass Cayenne AKA Pepper Joe’s Cayenne
Golden Cayenne
Orange Cayenne
Mulato Isleno
Punjabi (Cayenne type I think)
Hot Banana Pepper
Sweet Banana Pepper
Big Bertha
Super Heavy Weight
Bangalore Whippets Tail
Las Cruces
Filius Blue
WM Brand Chili Peppers
WM Brand Mammoth Jalapeno
Pimiento Pepper
Chiltepin
Hot Cow Horn
Pablano
var. glabriusculum
Texas Chiltepin

C. Fructescense
Tabasco
Kung Pao
Pimiento de Padron
Thai Long
Wild Grove
Guam Boonie (guam)
zimbabwe Birds Eye Chili

C. Baccatum
Aji Yellow (Peruvian)
Bolivian Wild (TALL)
Inca Red Drop (peru)
Aji Lemon Drop (aka Kellu Uchu - Long Season. Origin: Peru)
Birgits Locoto (Bolivia)

C. Galapagoense

C. Chacoense
Unknown Cultivar

C. praetermissum
Cumari Pollux


Confirmed Hybrids
Thai Sun x Orange Habanero F1
Orange Hab x Scotch Bonnet F1
7pot Douglah x Butch T Scorpion F2
Thai Super Hot F1 (parents unknown - seed swap)
Sunset F1 hybrid (Parents unknown - Seed swap)

**After the 3/8 update I now have 108 varieties**

The list is bound to grow! I have a number of varieties on their way that are not yet listed (but I will update the post as they arrive).

Also non-pepper plants I have green beans, canteloup, coriander, watermellon, summer squash, kale, lettuce, eggplant, and tomatos.

Edit: Changed tags, updated growlist 3-8
 
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how many days since the snip? 3 or 4? I'll have to look.

Any way still in the dark (and keeping it there until the cut heals... I have some 6-8-10 fertilizer that I'm going to give it (very very dilute) soon. IIRC one of the functions of the third number is boosting the immune system. Plus it encourages growth. Maybe a little 5-1-1 a few days later.
 
Hey, y'all left out "Some people call me the space cowboy." I love that line!!!

You definitely ARE the graft guru though. I'm not ready to even think about trying that yet!

BTW, my spouse has had similar health issues to the ones you have been going through, and it is tough to watch, knowing there is nothing you can do to help. I'm hoping that the worst is over for both of you!
 
Thanks Bonnie! I'm hoping the worst is behind me as well... First night back in my own bed! No one wanted me to stay at my house by my self... So I've been crashing with some friends who love me dearly. It reallllllllllllllllly is good to be home though. I made them bring my graft :rofl: . They were like "... are you sure?" "Yes! Or I'm staying here, I have put too much time into it for it to die now!". They are good sports, but I think his wife was :eh: on that point... But either way, its still alive and well, and I'm feeling almost as good as new. Since this is likely the last update on my health, I learned that those of us from Hispanic, or American Indian, or African backgrounds are at risk for developing lactose intolerance as a result of an infection. Who knew? So no milk for me for a while... Its usually temporary.

On my moms side, my family came over from Spain, and married into the Cherokee... My dads side is from Ireland/england/scotland/general European, which are MUCH less prone to lactose intolerance as it turns out.

Any how... Plants are looking great! Growing like crazy! I have about 20 seedlings to pot up tomorrow, and am Planning to plant about 65 (all the ones in the round thing that looked so sad the other day, plus a few others) in the ground. I should show you pictures of the big gardens... But not until I weed it... One was taken over by crab grass while I was sick (Well not taken over completely... but that stuff is evil).

I also came home to find a fresh hatching of Lubber nymphs had found my garden. :fire:

As far as I am concerned there are two kinds of lubber grasshoppers... Those that are good, and those that are alive. These have been transformed into good grasshoppers :flamethrower:

Sorry to hear about your grafts Shane, I hope they hang in there.

I really should just make a chili gardening parody of that song Bonnie :lol:

Hope your husband gets well soon.

As always, thanks for stopping by!

Ken
 
Hey great updates and it was cool to catch up on your grow! That graft is a soldier! Just moving right along and doing what it is told! Hey its great news that you will be planting out soon. Looking forward to seeing the garden shots!
 
loving the song reference, and i bow down to the graft guru. Never thought this was possible, until you came and show that it could be done.
 
thanks for the high praise you two... I'm not going to call it a complete success until it has fully healed up from snipping the roots off, and then provides me with a graft hybrid... Thank you though :) Your words mean a lot.

Yes it is Beehunter, I'm stoked that its doing as well as it is! Its still inside, in relative dark though (figure I'll give it an even week before I start hardening it off).
Also I too am happy to be planting some of them out! I have 131 in the ground at the moment (well 130, one died in a frost in Jan), and so this second batch will bring me up to around 200 plants total. Which is only half of what I was planning to plant... I'll have to start fewer of the remaining varieties I think if I aim to grow each this year.

Ok... So for this mornings counts:
1/3 Indian Jwala
1/3 Brain strain (both of these two are my only helmet heads)
1/3 white 7pot
1/3 black scorpion tongue
1/3 cleo's dragon
1/3 yellow Fatalii
1/3 Billy Goat
2/3 Zimbabwe Bird Chili
0/3 Florida Wild Bird
0/3 Guam Boonie
0/9 Cumari Pollux
0/3 C. Galapagoense
0/3 Maya Red
1/1 Heavy Praeternissum
0/3 Texas Chiltepin
0/3Birgits Locoto
0/3 7pot Primo
20/36 Douglah Cross (the rest in that tray are 3 or 4/9, but I haven't given up on them, variety names excape me at the moment, and the list is outside...).

I have one empty tray (not county the jiffy greenhouses which I'm growing ambivalent towards), so I think I'm going to start some more seedlings tomorrow :)
 
nice :)

hey you never gave me your address so i can send out your seeds i have had it packaged up and ready to go for the past few days

Alex
 
My mother has been hounding me to grow more tomatos so that she can can them (for her and dad). I put in a few (and only the seeds she provided), but my main thrust is peppers. Her Birthday party is tomorrow, so I'll tell her the good news then...
You are a good son, jcr!

Both are horrible things to experience... IF never drinking another soda as long as I live will prevent this from happening again, I am willing to make the sacrifice.
Okay you have convinced me!

Woah, jcr! I didn't realize your grow out was so extensive.
I'm still trying to figure out how to handle 25-30 plants!
Keep up the good work, my friend - have a good week.

Looking great man! Hope it makes it...couple of mine are still hanging in there. Still got my fingers crossed.

I'm pullin' for ya, Shane! You and jcr are an inspiration to all horticultural tinkerers everywhere!
Hope you have a good week, too, buddy!
 
XC yes! I am still VERY interested in our trade. I just haven't been home to package up your seeds and such... Home today, will get it ready tonight for mailing tomorrow. I'll PM you my address in a bit :).

Woah, jcr! I didn't realize your grow out was so extensive.
I'm still trying to figure out how to handle 25-30 plants!
Keep up the good work, my friend - have a good week.
Thanks Paul. It helps that she is willing to help weed the garden and things like that...
In terms of extensive... There is still a chance that i'm going to be growing out another 1000 plants or so for a seed co... But we'll see if that ends up happening. I might back out due to my health, or might not. I just don't want to get into something that big, and get sick again, neglect everything for a week and lose 5000$ worth of plants :cool: .

Happy that I can inspire :) Already planning my next grafts... haha
 
Good luck if your doing the seed buisness i had to backout cause i ended up getting a few hundred orders a week and i didnt have any time for myself so i closed buisness for the year but i think im going to get a few acres get a good seed stock on a few varieties and then grow out the stuff to reopen and then do more then before like start making sauces and sell dried pods. I need some money for a car and i need some money for college so what better to do then make money with my hobby :) I was also thinking if i can rent out a few acres i could possibly grow habs and jalapenos in bulk and sell at the farmers market :) maybe next year sell plants and seeds there too I already got a summer job landscaping for my neighbors so good luck with your buisness ideas :)

ps make sure you sell some of them grafted chillies im sure they will be a big hit :)
 
Sort of... I would be provided with seeds, grow out plants, and then sell the seeds back to the original person. sounds like you put up a website?

Well I found an APHID indoors (well in the garage) this morning... Squished it.

I also found that I have another hybrid that I'm growing... it looks to be either Jalapeno or Habanero crossed with Thai Sun. They are one inch round pods growing straight up. a few of the pods are ribbed, which makes me wonder about a habanero influence. I guess I'll know more when I taste one ehh? :) The plant it self looks more Annuum like than Chinense... But then Thai Sun is an annuum (albeit one with an odd growth habbit - woody and low).

I took a picture, and will upload it in a couple of hours when my phone is charged.

ALSO it would appear that I accidently dropped two seeds into the cup when I started my Heavy praeternissum... there is a seedling, and a new hook coming up!

Lastly I had a Yellow Fatalii come up in the night, as well as about 8 more from the superhot tray.
 
Here is the cross:
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The largest of the pods are about an inch in diameter.

Ended up weeding most of one of the bigger gardens yesterday! It was great to finally get that checked off the list... two more to go... the little one everyone has seen in my pictures, and the area where my watermelon, summer squash, and the other melon whose name I can't remember all grow. There is one garden in addition to that, that is currently un-planted.

I'll get a picture with my Canon here in a little bit, it should be a good deal better quality.
 
Nice cross!
will be interesting to see them ripen! Don't envy your weeding tasks...but I got my own to do this weekend so I'm in the same boat. How is the graft doing?
 
Looking good JCR. Glad you are feeling better. Take it slow and steady.

That cross could just be a reg jalapeno. When mine were stressed they would put out round pods just like that. Only saying that cause the plant looks a little low on nitrogen or is that just the picture.

Jamie
 
Well, it's possible I suppose. They get Alaska fish once a week and I missed a week while sick... But I don't have any jalapeƱo varietys that grow straight up. Nor are the jalapeƱos around it producing abnormal pods. I gave them a dose of Alaska fish this morning though just in case.

The graft is looking good if a bit yellow. I am going to start hardening it off I think... Maybe 20 minutes today and see how it responds.

Thanks for stopping by you two :)

Cantaloupe is the melon I couldn't remember.

Also I can't seem to edit posts from my cell... I meant to say that the fruit is not dangling and is instead growing skyward like my Thai sun. Thai sun was my only plant with that growth habit last year .
 
Hey jcr, good news that the graft is still hanging in there!

Nice cross!
will be interesting to see them ripen! Don't envy your weeding tasks...but I got my own to do this weekend so I'm in the same boat. How is the graft doing?

I envy your weeding tasks, guys! We still pull up mud globs here : )
 
Yeah I am pretty stoked... I put it in a west facing window... It received about a half hour of direct sunlight, and the rest was filtered through a massive pecan tree. Was looking good last night... I need to go check on it this morning.

hehe, well I suppose I don't envy the mud Paul. I can be thankful for that. I have been considering putting down some of that anti-weed cloth. Its not cheap... But if it keeps me from having to weed... Completely worth it. I just worry about it making the peppers roots too hot. The sun gets wicked hot here you'll recall... I thought about spreading some alfalfa hay on top of it... But hay is really scarce this time of year. I could probably get some regular hay, but its like comparing potato chips to spinach.

Cheapest thing is probably to spread composted manure on top in a relatively thin layer... but its so dense, something my soil struggles with already... There are some old pine needles that I could use... I know I have to be careful of them depleting the soil of N... But we shall see.
 
No worries brother :)

Its hard to tell from the photos. I took some with my Canon sx120, they are a bit better I think... Will get them up maybe tonight when I get home.

No Lubbers today!

My Heavy Praeternissum has hair!!
 
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