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RIP Robin Williams

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dash 2 said:
A suicide has many victims, but only one perpetrator. It's only natural for those left behind to feel some degree of resentment for the one responsible for taking so much away from them. 
     And comparing suicide to cancer is a bit of a stretch. I think it's much more akin to drug addiction or other behaviors that the individual knows are dangerous and unhealthy for his or herself but, for whatever reason, won't or can't keep away from.
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Proud Marine Dad said:
What lead you to believe that? I posted the article saying that suicide was from severe depression which is a mental illness. :think:

The definition of a disease: 
"a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment".
 
How does severe depression not classify as a disease and Alzheimer's does?
Addiction is a disease as well so I think he's saying it's more keen to the addiction disease vice cancer...where does he say depression isn't a disease?
 
sp33d said:
How am I wrong when I say I have no pity for the person that killed themselves and feel bad for the family that is left behind?!?!? Get a grip for real...

I'm not trying to argue about it, I'm done, it's how I feel..I have been left behind from someone killing themselves and I still feel this way..I do have that right...
Do you not have pity on an Alzheimer's patient? How about an Anorexic? Mental diseases are no different than physical ones but you are free to feel whatever way you want.

sp33d said:
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Addiction is a disease as well so I think he's saying it's more keen to the addiction disease vice cancer...where does he say depression isn't a disease?
When he said comparing it to cancer is a stretch. No it isn't! One is physical the other is mental but both are diseases. If you disagree then I suggest you talk to a psychiatrist.
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
Do you not have pity on an Alzheimer's patient? How about an Anorexic? Mental diseases are no different than physical ones but you are free to feel whatever way you want.
Dude I believe just like you believe in God (according to the thread in hot button) that killing your self is a choice..being depressed isn't a choice but putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger is a choice,...suicde hurts only one side, the ones left behind now how is that fair and how does someone like me who has been left behind not feel the way I do? Please enlighten me?
Proud Marine Dad said:
Do you not have pity on an Alzheimer's patient? How about an Anorexic? Mental diseases are no different than physical ones but you are free to feel whatever way you want.

When he said comparing it to cancer is a stretch. No it isn't! One is physical the other is mental but both are diseases. If you disagree then I suggest you talk to a psychiatrist.
I see one on a weekly basis...
 
Gentlemen, I think we're drifting here... Doesn't matter which side of the fence anyone's on, suicide sucks, severe depression sucks, and losing Robin Williams sucks.
 
Nobody said suicide didn't hurt or devastate families that is understandable to everyone. Saying you have no pity on someone who does not have the mental capacity to say no to killing themselves is my point. Do you think they have a choice? Why do psychiatrists hospitalize people against their will if it's nothing but a choice?
I am done.
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
 

That is the definition of a disease! How does severe depression not classify as a disease and Alzheimer's does?
 
     Let's put it this way. If I had a friend or loved one who had treatable cancer or out of control alcoholism, and allowed it to take their life while I watched… You better believe there'd be a lot of anger mixed in with my sadness.
     I agree that depression is a disease, but it is treatable. Everyone knows that these days, just like we all know that smoking causes lung cancer and quitting can reduce your chances. Alzheimer's disease isn't something that antidepressants or counseling can bring a person back from. I'm not going to hold my wife's grandma (has alzheimer's) to the same standard as someone with depression. There's nothing she can do about her condition. I feel nothing but sympathy for her.
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
Nobody said suicide didn't hurt or devastate families that is understandable to everyone. Saying you have no pity on someone who does not have the mental capacity to say no to killing themselves is my point. Do you think they have a choice? Why do psychiatrists hospitalize people against their will if it's nothing but a choice?
I am done.
What I find hilarious is how you are judging me or saying I'm wrong for feeling the way I feel...persecuting me for what I feel and believe, right or wrong in your eyes doesn't matter...it's what I feel..if you think I'm heartless that's on you...I still have no pity for someone that kills themselves ,I feel for the ones left behind , I couldn't think of anything more selfish then suicide..why do I have no pity? Well here let me explain myself which I don't have to do but since I'm looked at like a horrible person cause the way I feel or believe ...

No pity because they can get help, they don't have to kill themselves , no it's not the way out, or do you think it is the way out? Is suicide justifiable? That's basically what your saying in my eyes .....it's completely avoidable . So I geuss in my heartless world I have no pity for something that can be avoided ....

Exactly what I think is wrong with this world,,,it's gone soft, period...

Your done, I'm done..sorry I feel the way I do...but I still feel the way I do..like it or not....have a great night didn't mean to offend you by what I believe or feel...I can correlate this to someone's belief in god offending me, but I don't because everyone has the right to feel and believe in what they want to, it's their choice, there's that choice word again...get it...
 
Suicide is a punk out,no excuses and or blaming are legit
Enough with the diluted liberal angles(excuses/blame)
 
The guy punked out,he was selfish and self serving to his own end
He played the bitch card and will be remembered for it
His past is now ZEROed OUT because of his choice and far from deserving any respect 
 
"Only Humans Kill"
 
Some people are way too judgemental.

I can't say that I appreciated this man's humor, but it's a dead human being, and that sucks.  Suicide is not always a rational act, committed by a rational human being.  Depression is NOT rational.  That's why it's listed as a disorder.  Sometimes, there is just no understanding to be had.
 
It's a bit dick-ish to say that someone can't feel sorry for someone who takes their own life.  Outwardly, it seems like a cowardly, selfish act.  But with a little bit of analysis, it sometimes is just the result of a malfunctioning brain.  You don't have to shed tears, but at least a little basic compassion is in order.  But wait...  I seem to have forgotten...  The inability to show empathy/sympathy is also a disorder. ;)

TNKS said:
Suicide is a punk out,no excuses and or blaming are legit
Enough with the diluted liberal angles(excuses/blame)
 
The guy punked out,he was selfish and self serving to his own end
He played the bitch card and will be remembered for it
His past is now ZEROed OUT because of his choice and far from deserving any respect 
 
"Only Humans Kill"
 
Wow.  What a fucktard.

I had a relative who killed himself.  He wasn't selfish at all.  He was batshit crazy, pure and simple.

With such a well thought out dispensation of logic, (and a smattering of righteous indignation) I can't see very many people being worthy of whatever it is that you call respect.
dash 2 said:
 
I agree that depression is a disease, but it is treatable. Everyone knows that these days, just like we all know that smoking causes lung cancer and quitting can reduce your chances. Alzheimer's disease isn't something that antidepressants or counseling can bring a person back from. I'm not going to hold my wife's grandma (has alzheimer's) to the same standard as someone with depression. There's nothing she can do about her condition. I feel nothing but sympathy for her.
 
So who diagnoses the depressive personality?  How/when does one know the difference between depression and a horrible personality?  Furthermore, what if the depressive is already being treated, and suffers a mental lapse, medicinal side effect, or some other mitigating factor in the otherwise acknowledged illness?
 
Jesus H Christ...  Some people are so out of touch with reality, that it's not even funny.

Perhaps we should just round up all of the mentally ill, and cull them, so that we don't have to think too hard about any of this?
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
Nobody said suicide didn't hurt or devastate families that is understandable to everyone. Saying you have no pity on someone who does not have the mental capacity to say no to killing themselves is my point. Do you think they have a choice? Why do psychiatrists hospitalize people against their will if it's nothing but a choice?
I am done.
NO NO NO come here don't be "Done" so fast 
 
SO, you are sad, devastated, and cant seem to sleep, or enjoy your morning bacon because a guy decided to kill himself. 
BUT, you were all happy, lucky and cheering Israel for killing 2200 Palestinian civilians 1/2 of them are children by saying "kill them all and let "GOD" sort them out",  http://thehotpepper.com/topic/48086-a-history-of-israel-especially-for-buzz/
Well I don't know which God you referring to but I can ask you How would you feel if you were the one to be "sorted out"
Also Mr. Proud
I love your contradictions you must be "Foxed up" = watching too much fox news 
 
You said "do you think they have a choice?" Well tell me about those you want them "killed and sorted out" do they have a choice 
This dude at least had a choice, but those ones that you wanted them killed have no choice dear.
 
So get your shitt together and stop using your ass for thinking because shitt will come out of your mouth. 
 
Peace my friend 
 
No I mean war = kill them all, because some one will do the sorting, lets do the killing.
 
Pathetic 
 
I think you need to relax solid7...I also had a family member kill themselves and I dont think they were "batshit-crazy" I think he was self centered and selfish....and I am still pissed off at him....so not everyone feels the way you do about it and not everyone feels the way I do about it....that what makes the world to round...everyone doesn't believe or feel the same way...neither way is "right" , no matter how "out of touch" you think they are....here's an example..some might think people who believe in god are "out of touch" but the person with the belief in god has such a conviction it doesn't matter what anyone thinks...so does that mean they are "out of touch" because of their belief or rationality that you don't agree with? ..think not my friend ....

Get off your high horse and stop trying to sound like your some righteous one that has it figured out ...everyone thinks differently , like it our not ....have a great night
SouthPark said:
NO NO NO come here don't be "Done" so fast 
 
SO, you are sad, devastated, and cant seem to sleep, or enjoy your morning bacon because a guy decided to kill himself. 
BUT, you were all happy, lucky and cheering Israel for killing 2200 Palestinian civilians 1/2 of them are children by saying "kill them all and let "GOD" sort them out",  http://thehotpepper.com/topic/48086-a-history-of-israel-especially-for-buzz/
Well I don't know which God you referring to but I can ask you How would you feel if you were the one to be "sorted out"
Also Mr. Proud
I love your contradictions you must be "Foxed up" = watching too much fox news 
 
You said "do you think they have a choice?" Well tell me about those you want them "killed and sorted out" do they have a choice 
This dude at least had a choice, but those ones that you wanted them killed have no choice dear.
 
So get your shitt together and stop using your ass for thinking because shitt will come out of your mouth. 
 
Peace my friend 
 
No I mean war = kill them all, because some one will do the sorting, lets do the killing.
 
Pathetic
Nice research dude...love when people contradict themselves ...
 
sp33d said:
I think you need to relax solid7...I also had a family member kill themselves and I dont think they were "batshit-crazy" I think he was self centered and selfish....and I am still pissed off at him....so not everyone feels the way you do about it and not everyone feels the way I do about it....that what makes the world to round...everyone doesn't believe or feel the same way...neither way is "right" , no matter how "out of touch" you think they are....here's an example..some might think people who believe in god are "out of touch" but the person with the belief in god has such a conviction it doesn't matter what anyone thinks...so does that mean they are "out of touch" because of their belief or rationality that you do agree with? ..think not my friend ....

Get off your high horse and stop trying to sound like your some righteous one that has it figured out ...everyone thinks differently , like it our not ....have a great night
 
Fact - my relative was bat-shit crazy.  And he was going downhill by the day when he stuck the gun in his mouth.  Talking to himself, displaying paranoid traits, and exhibiting otherwise behavior that could only be descirbed as "irrational" to anyone who wasn't actually schizophrenic.  Don't really think any of that falls into the camp of "opinion".  Perhaps a reasonable person would deduce that not all suicides are committed for the same reason - or for an actual reason at all? (I see that you don't care to make any distinction, but I certainly do)

Sometimes, what you believe doesn't matter.  What can be supported by years and years of trials and impirical data will always trump an archaic, draconian opinion.  Sorry that you don't agree with this particular area of psychiatry.  If people had always chosen to keep on believing that suicide was "selfish" and/or a "sin", no progress would have ever been made in treatment.  There are many successful cases of people being treated sufficiently to lead functional lives.

As for your other deflection, I'm not interested in being an apologist for any matter of faith.  If you can't debate a topic on its own merits without going off on tangents, then you have no business debating.  It's called "arguing", at that point.
 
Yes everyone thinks differently, tis true.  I am well aware that not everyone possesses critical thinking skills.
 
solid7 said:
Fact - my relative was bat-shit crazy.  And he was going downhill by the day when he stuck the gun in his mouth.  Talking to himself, displaying paranoid traits, and exhibiting otherwise behavior that could only be descirbed as "irrational" to anyone who wasn't actually schizophrenic.  Don't really think any of that falls into the camp of "opinion".  Perhaps a reasonable person would deduce that not all suicides are committed for the same reason - or for an actual reason at all? (I see that you don't care to make any distinction, but I certainly do)
Sometimes, what you believe doesn't matter.  What can be supported by years and years of trials and impirical data will always trump an archaic, draconian opinion.  Sorry that you don't agree with this particular area of psychiatry.  If people had always chosen to keep on believing that suicide was "selfish" and/or a "sin", no progress would have ever been made in treatment.  There are many successful cases of people being treated sufficiently to lead functional lives.

As for your other deflection, I'm not interested in being an apologist for any matter of faith.  If you can't debate a topic on its own merits without going off on tangents, then you have no business debating.  It's called "arguing", at that point.
 
Yes everyone thinks differently, tis true.  I am well aware that not everyone possesses critical thinking skills.
Damn you sound so intelligent using said vocabulary..wish I could tickle the keyboard like you do...However, your "opinion" on others and their "critical thinking skills" and "inabilities for empathy/sympathy being a disorder" sounds so judgmental ...Jeesh, relax my man.
Can you say blocked!!
Good night sir..
 
millworkman said:
How about we keep this bout Robin Williams.  You want to talk about something else then do it somewhere else.  Any more petty arguing here gets warning points.
Roger that...
 
millworkman said:
How about we keep this bout Robin Williams.  You want to talk about something else then do it somewhere else.  Any more petty arguing here gets warning points.
 
Sorry, mate.  Just trying to defend the mentally ill dead guy who killed himself because he may or may not have been bat-shit crazy...  Won't happen again. :)
 
SouthPark said:
NO NO NO come here don't be "Done" so fast 
 
SO, you are sad, devastated, and cant seem to sleep, or enjoy your morning bacon because a guy decided to kill himself. 
BUT, you were all happy, lucky and cheering Israel for killing 2200 Palestinian civilians 1/2 of them are children by saying "kill them all and let "GOD" sort them out",  http://thehotpepper.com/topic/48086-a-history-of-israel-especially-for-buzz/
Well I don't know which God you referring to but I can ask you How would you feel if you were the one to be "sorted out"
Also Mr. Proud
I love your contradictions you must be "Foxed up" = watching too much fox news 
 
You said "do you think they have a choice?" Well tell me about those you want them "killed and sorted out" do they have a choice 
This dude at least had a choice, but those ones that you wanted them killed have no choice dear.
 
So get your shitt together and stop using your ass for thinking because shitt will come out of your mouth. 
 
Peace my friend 
 
No I mean war = kill them all, because some one will do the sorting, lets do the killing.
 
Pathetic 
The "Kill them all" post was tongue in cheek so grow up kid and learn how
to spell. Only three posts from this "new" member. My guess is it's someone already on here with another name.  :rolleyes:  :lol:
 
Choose to be diluted if you choose,Im far from a fucktard
I do not compromise with the sins of this world,you Sir are the one with the only issue pending
 
Deal with it with whatever measure or "correctness" you choose.
 
This Nation was NOT founded on the basis of your juvenile retort
solid7 said:
Some people are way too judgemental.
I can't say that I appreciated this man's humor, but it's a dead human being, and that sucks.  Suicide is not always a rational act, committed by a rational human being.  Depression is NOT rational.  That's why it's listed as a disorder.  Sometimes, there is just no understanding to be had.
 
It's a bit dick-ish to say that someone can't feel sorry for someone who takes their own life.  Outwardly, it seems like a cowardly, selfish act.  But with a little bit of analysis, it sometimes is just the result of a malfunctioning brain.  You don't have to shed tears, but at least a little basic compassion is in order.  But wait...  I seem to have forgotten...  The inability to show empathy/sympathy is also a disorder. ;)

 
Wow.  What a f**ktard.
I had a relative who killed himself.  He wasn't selfish at all.  He was batshit crazy, pure and simple.

With such a well thought out dispensation of logic, (and a smattering of righteous indignation) I can't see very many people being worthy of whatever it is that you call respect.

 
So who diagnoses the depressive personality?  How/when does one know the difference between depression and a horrible personality?  Furthermore, what if the depressive is already being treated, and suffers a mental lapse, medicinal side effect, or some other mitigating factor in the otherwise acknowledged illness?
 
Jesus H Christ...  Some people are so out of touch with reality, that it's not even funny.
Perhaps we should just round up all of the mentally ill, and cull them, so that we don't have to think too hard about any of this?
 
TNKS said:
Choose to be diluted if you choose,Im far from a f**ktard
I do not compromise with the sins of this world,you Sir are the one with the only issue pending
 
Deal with it with whatever measure or "correctness" you choose.
 
This Nation was NOT founded on the basis of your juvenile retort
LOL! :rofl:
 
Cool!  :D
 
Yet another THP thread spontaneously combusts to produce flaming disaster!  :onfire:
 
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