IMO the tales of recovery are exaggerated and most people have not seen any improvement. Numbers can show most anything depending on how they are interpreted,some people fail to see that.
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The state of economy. . .
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Still don't think that's enough to get me to jump on a boat bound for "down under." For one, I REALLY like having snow on occasion and I would prefer black bear to crocodiles any day of the week! 
(If that came across as politically incorrect. . . no offense met mate!)
(If that came across as politically incorrect. . . no offense met mate!)
AlabamaJack
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forum rule 11...they are not numbered but count 11 down from the top...
I have very strong feelings on this subject but my opinions always turn political and politics cause flame wars on forums, so please understand that is why I don't post what I had written.
off to the nursery to get some much needed supplies...later all...
I, for one, would be *really* interested in your "non-political" answer ...I realise it'd be diluted by removing politics.
Personally, I think our country ( UK ) is governed by "lessons learnt in USA ... f**k the 'voter'" ... and our populace is equally apathetic ( we, at least, can claim the normal "english anal retentiveness/understatement" clauses for our "misunderstood/apathy" ... it's apathy, no matter how you dress it ).
Saddens me that we've been reduced to this ... we used to "own" 3/4's of the planet ( including y'all
j/k ) ... now we're all (world wide) owned by the fewack, hard to express thoughts when you're attempting to avoid looking "political" ... suffice to say, I think current "modern world" is the wrong way forward ... also think it'll take a fair tad before people care about more than money
The world revolves around physics, not [insert name of local currency here]
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I, for one, would be *really* interested in your "non-political" answer ...I realise it'd be diluted by removing politics.
Personally, I think our country ( UK ) is governed by "lessons learnt in USA ... f**k the 'voter'" ... and our populace is equally apathetic ( we, at least, can claim the normal "english anal retentiveness/understatement" clauses for our "misunderstood/apathy" ... it's apathy, no matter how you dress it ).
Saddens me that we've been reduced to this ... we used to "own" 3/4's of the planet ( including y'all
ack, hard to express thoughts when you're attempting to avoid looking "political" ... suffice to say, I think current "modern world" is the wrong way forward ... also think it'll take a fair tad before people care about more than money
The world revolves around physics, not [insert name of local currency here]
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It's more amazing what Portugal has been reduced to, not to mention France and Spain.
AlabamaJack
eXtreme
The world runs on energy, most of which is petroleum based.
While the big oil companies make Billions quarterly, the common man is struggling to make ends meet.
When the price of fuel increases, the trickle down effect impacts all comsumer products...period. Food goes up, clothing goes up, all consumer products that get to the consumer via transportation that uses fuel increases in cost.
Is there a way to ebb the tide? Yes, but that would entail stopping using fuel, or cutting back to the absolute minimum you can. Use less electricity, it takes fuel to make it, maybe not directly, but power plants burning coal experinece an increase in the cost of coal...why?...how does it get to the plants? Barge pushed by a tugboat...fuel for the motors, Large trucks with trailers, fuel for the motors, trains?...again fuel for the motors...
Are you ready to stop using fuel for a year?...maybe two?...IMO that would be what it would take to get the attention of Big Oil. A day or two here and there is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the total worlds fuel usage...
Face it folks, until we find another clean, alternative fuel source that does not cost more than the fossil fuels do now (meaning efficient to give us the energy we need to survive) the world, not just the US is screwed.
The problem with the worlds economy today is the greedy bastards that are in control of the energy reserves of the world.
I won't even go into the political side of it in the US with all the corrupt, on the take, politicians, but suffice it to say that unless there is a huge house cleaning for all political parties in existance today, the only way is down.
Greed is driven by those that are egotistical maniacs.
And remember this, a quote from Lord Acton in 1887...
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
We (the US) are in a society that is going the way of Rome...and history repeats itself...
I am 61 years old and probably won't make it to 80, will be very lucky to see 70 so I won't be around to see the total demise of the USA but mark my words...if something is not done to find new AFFORDABLE energy sources within the next 10 or 20 years...well, you can make your own conclusion since I probably will be pushing up my pepper plants in the back yard...
***getting down off soap box***
I did not write this to start any arguments and really don't want to discuss this any more because it makes me sick to my stomach...
While the big oil companies make Billions quarterly, the common man is struggling to make ends meet.
When the price of fuel increases, the trickle down effect impacts all comsumer products...period. Food goes up, clothing goes up, all consumer products that get to the consumer via transportation that uses fuel increases in cost.
Is there a way to ebb the tide? Yes, but that would entail stopping using fuel, or cutting back to the absolute minimum you can. Use less electricity, it takes fuel to make it, maybe not directly, but power plants burning coal experinece an increase in the cost of coal...why?...how does it get to the plants? Barge pushed by a tugboat...fuel for the motors, Large trucks with trailers, fuel for the motors, trains?...again fuel for the motors...
Are you ready to stop using fuel for a year?...maybe two?...IMO that would be what it would take to get the attention of Big Oil. A day or two here and there is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the total worlds fuel usage...
Face it folks, until we find another clean, alternative fuel source that does not cost more than the fossil fuels do now (meaning efficient to give us the energy we need to survive) the world, not just the US is screwed.
The problem with the worlds economy today is the greedy bastards that are in control of the energy reserves of the world.
I won't even go into the political side of it in the US with all the corrupt, on the take, politicians, but suffice it to say that unless there is a huge house cleaning for all political parties in existance today, the only way is down.
Greed is driven by those that are egotistical maniacs.
And remember this, a quote from Lord Acton in 1887...
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
We (the US) are in a society that is going the way of Rome...and history repeats itself...
I am 61 years old and probably won't make it to 80, will be very lucky to see 70 so I won't be around to see the total demise of the USA but mark my words...if something is not done to find new AFFORDABLE energy sources within the next 10 or 20 years...well, you can make your own conclusion since I probably will be pushing up my pepper plants in the back yard...
***getting down off soap box***
I did not write this to start any arguments and really don't want to discuss this any more because it makes me sick to my stomach...
Yeah, makes me wonder how far we are off raising money through bonds in UK
... we already pay a stupid amount, per day, in interest on "money spent that hasn't been earned"Maybe my mum and dad brought me up wrong, but I was taught to only spend what was in my pocket and to earn what I wanted?
Like AJ quoted "walk out clean handed (free of mind) and not in debt" ... simple shit that was known hundreds of years ago
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It's not just "Rome" and "US", but it *is* what you've expressed ... I'm 44, I'm liable to be around to watch the next degeneration
And still my country sits back in apathy
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Like AJ, I tried to post a reply, said what am I doing and erased my typing........several times.
I haven't worked in over 2 years, some industries are better than others, the energy industry is our province's main source of employment and the main source of taxation that supports our canadian way of life, i don't have a pension, nor does my wife but when i did work i made sure i put money away every year for retirement and i make my wife do the same. my wife works for a big oil company and as far as i am concerned they employ a lot of my neighbours and provide a decent living for us and a lot of people around the world.
I look at our government workers(all 3 levels and in canada it also includes, utilities, healthcare, education and postal workers) and i look at our auto workers and the big pension plans they have and now that they the auto companies are in financial trouble, our government had to bail them out and also bail out the workers pension funds. I can understand supporting pensions that you the individual put money away from after tax dollars in conjunction with your employer but canadian autoworkers pension were 100% paid for by the auto companies. many of our utilities have corporate heads drawing a salary in the millions, as do university and college heads and our healthboard heads. in canada, our senate is appointed, yep, not elected, their salaries are gross and their pension are unrealistic, our members of parliment are elected but again for every 1 dollar they put into their pension our government puts in $4.
well, that's my vent.
I haven't worked in over 2 years, some industries are better than others, the energy industry is our province's main source of employment and the main source of taxation that supports our canadian way of life, i don't have a pension, nor does my wife but when i did work i made sure i put money away every year for retirement and i make my wife do the same. my wife works for a big oil company and as far as i am concerned they employ a lot of my neighbours and provide a decent living for us and a lot of people around the world.
I look at our government workers(all 3 levels and in canada it also includes, utilities, healthcare, education and postal workers) and i look at our auto workers and the big pension plans they have and now that they the auto companies are in financial trouble, our government had to bail them out and also bail out the workers pension funds. I can understand supporting pensions that you the individual put money away from after tax dollars in conjunction with your employer but canadian autoworkers pension were 100% paid for by the auto companies. many of our utilities have corporate heads drawing a salary in the millions, as do university and college heads and our healthboard heads. in canada, our senate is appointed, yep, not elected, their salaries are gross and their pension are unrealistic, our members of parliment are elected but again for every 1 dollar they put into their pension our government puts in $4.
well, that's my vent.
Whooo Hoooooo! 
Proof the economy is going to be all right.
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=13793874
Proof the economy is going to be all right.
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=13793874
Whooo Hoooooo!
Proof the economy is going to be all right.
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=13793874
New meaning to a light at the end of the tunnel
