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What is a True - Naga / Bhut / Bih ?
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Since I'm originally from Zenn-La I wouldn't know about such things. 
i read in one article that bih bhut naga etc are the same...extract from the web site
http://www.frontalagritech.co.in/products/bihjolokia_gen.htm
"Bih jolokia, botanically known as Capsicum chinense Jacq. is extensively cultivated in Northbih jolokia in fruiting stage Eastern Region of India especially in the states of Assam, Nagaland and Manipur. It is also known by other names like Bhut jolokia, Borbih jolokia, Naga jolokia, Nagahari, Naga Morich, Raja mirchi etc."
i am confused as well.
http://www.frontalagritech.co.in/products/bihjolokia_gen.htm
"Bih jolokia, botanically known as Capsicum chinense Jacq. is extensively cultivated in Northbih jolokia in fruiting stage Eastern Region of India especially in the states of Assam, Nagaland and Manipur. It is also known by other names like Bhut jolokia, Borbih jolokia, Naga jolokia, Nagahari, Naga Morich, Raja mirchi etc."
i am confused as well.
POTAWIE said:Inbreeding works well with plants but not so well in the animal kingdom
Actually inbreeding in dogs does have some advantages, such as it somehow cancels out genetic defects in a certain line and it is also how alot of the "rare" colors of dogs come about like red Boston Terriers that are typically brindle or black.
I always thought it was anywhere in AppalachiaSilver_Surfer said:Didn't you mean to say Tennessee.
Potawie,A.J,Omri god another time this question has been asked.
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History Dorset Naga hit the headlines first when that o so lovely farm in dorset showed them to the world and the seeds and pods where given them from a Bangladeshi gentleman who owned a number of curry houses.He called the plant a Naga and had been culivated in the u.k for at least ten years,Seeds where to sent to that famous University in n/m and requests where made for suppliers in India And bangladesh and many variants came in the first being local types called Bhut Jolokia and Naga Morich.
So three types where established..Bhut,Dorset,Morich and where tested in germany for taste size,Growth etc and the conclusion was that they where very alike and the dorset been slightly smaller than the other to..The natural conclusion being that the had slightly changed as they where grown in differnt regions,Areas and contitons.
Frontal agritech came on the seen to supply original sourced varietys the first being the Bih(Noted by its pimpled apperance)
then other..cough..cultivations that are not very good ie choc Bhutt,Khorika etc.
Today there lots of variants,Cultivars and hybrids But or Bhutt
the orignal three are still there and loved by all and damn they all taste great..Will not say which i think is the hottest because its personal and might start a ravanous debate.
As plants are grown in differnt parts of the world.Overtime and
of course enviromental conditions help as well as if the plants are open pollinted changes occure and look at the 7pot,grown by
people from Bangladesh who loved there Naga so much they took it with them to Trinidad and years of cultivation produced a great variety..Or was the strain bought from banglaseh or india differnt and hasnt been discoverd yet..Possabilitys are endless
and that`s what make chili growing fun.
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.History Dorset Naga hit the headlines first when that o so lovely farm in dorset showed them to the world and the seeds and pods where given them from a Bangladeshi gentleman who owned a number of curry houses.He called the plant a Naga and had been culivated in the u.k for at least ten years,Seeds where to sent to that famous University in n/m and requests where made for suppliers in India And bangladesh and many variants came in the first being local types called Bhut Jolokia and Naga Morich.
So three types where established..Bhut,Dorset,Morich and where tested in germany for taste size,Growth etc and the conclusion was that they where very alike and the dorset been slightly smaller than the other to..The natural conclusion being that the had slightly changed as they where grown in differnt regions,Areas and contitons.
Frontal agritech came on the seen to supply original sourced varietys the first being the Bih(Noted by its pimpled apperance)
then other..cough..cultivations that are not very good ie choc Bhutt,Khorika etc.
Today there lots of variants,Cultivars and hybrids But or Bhutt
the orignal three are still there and loved by all and damn they all taste great..Will not say which i think is the hottest because its personal and might start a ravanous debate.As plants are grown in differnt parts of the world.Overtime and
of course enviromental conditions help as well as if the plants are open pollinted changes occure and look at the 7pot,grown by
people from Bangladesh who loved there Naga so much they took it with them to Trinidad and years of cultivation produced a great variety..Or was the strain bought from banglaseh or india differnt and hasnt been discoverd yet..Possabilitys are endless
and that`s what make chili growing fun.
talas said:
The Dorest Naga is a Naga Morich that's what they grew from, after a chat with my other half about it last night what I said yesterday is apparently broadly correct BUT it's impossible to say how much genuine change could occur over such a short period without more detailed information on how they bred them.
From http://www.dorsetnaga.com/ they explain (kind of) what they did and refer to Dorset Naga in 2002 the same year they first started growing the Naga Morich!
It seems the new name continued the Indian theme of including the chillies location in the nomenclature.
I haven't grown or tasted any of these super hots so I can't say first hand how much difference there is but I would strongly suspect the Dorset Naga is more of a branded Naga Morich than a distinct variety.
...That said they've been selecting for 7 years now and I don't know if that's long enough for genuine changes to show. Where's a botanist when you need one?
AlabamaJack said:Is that something like being from Arkansas in the USA?
I come from the Isle of Harris in a pretty remote part of Scotland, there's less than 2000 people in total...
In the UK it's usually an area called The Fens or just Norfolk that gets the webbed finger jokes, my gf is from Norfolk...
Omri said:
If they all showed chinense and frutescens then I'd think that would make them more the same than different. Of course they were crossed, almost all peppers were crossed somewhere, but these have been stabilized over many years.
I still say they are all different variations of the same pepper
Just saying they're in differet areas, open polinated, grown with different chiles near by and show different qualities. all those support the fact they're not the same chile. not saying they're not close relatives or even that at some point they were the same chile, you can't really know that. all I'm saying is it's ridiculous to think that after so much time, it's possible for all to be the same. they're similar no doubt, but not the same.POTAWIE said:
BTW you can't possibly know if they all share the Frutescens genes, as not all were tested.
Omri said:
That's why I said if and why I said a DNA test would be needed to really prove anything
I know of many tomato varieties that are grown in different parts of the world and they are still considered the same variety even though they've adapted to different climates and growing conditions. Why is it different with chiles?
Well the Dorset naga is not really condidered a new variety because it was only selectively bred, and was not crossed to introduce new genes. Otherwise everyone of us who saves seeds would have our own new variety. As for the bhut/naga/bih, maybe new genes were introduced making them different, but as far as I know this is all speculation and proper testing would be needed for proof