Wild, Indeed, Community Thread

Just getting this started so I can get a url.
I will post more about this in a couple of days.

Happy New Year, 2021!

 

[PaulG]

c. chacoense, purple flower, taken 7/29/21:

How about these Rocopica, seed via CaneDog.
The other plant has bell-shaped flowers.

Hot weather has disrupted the flowering a bit.
Have moved both plants, and the c. galapagoense
to the shadier front porch.

Looking at the furry calyx:

Hey, my first page topper in the new platform
"Lots of days in the high 90's and 100's this summer. I miss the rain!"

 

[PaulG]

Meant to post this in last post...

Rocopicas, left, and c. galapagoense, right:

 

[leo72]

Season 2021 wild flower

 

[leo72]

C.schottianum

 

[talas]

This my inventory of wild varieties. I would
be up for some swaps for other wild seeds.

Wild Seeds/pods, dates and sources:
(Source PtMD989 represents ‘PtMD989 via Bhuter via fiogga’)

2013-15:
Wild Brazil 2013 - GaGrowhead
Wild Brazil 2014 - c. baccatum var. praetermissum - Stc3248 2012
Yellow chiltepin 2014 - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - CPI
*Goat’s Weed 2014 - c. annuum - Venezuela, Stc3248 2012
c. chacoense 2014 - ?

2019:
CAP 212 - c. chacoense L. - catchthebear seed train
Cumari Pollux - c. praetermissum - Brazil, “ “ purple flower
CGN 22835 - c. chacoense - Brazil, catchthebear
CGN 24360 - c. chinense - BB Habanero, “ “
SSE 2090 - c. chinense - Yellow Jellybean, PtMD989
c. chacoense - ?
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - orig. CPI 2012 my pod
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989
CAP 1446 - c. chacoense - PtMD989
CAP 1478 - c. praetermissum - CaneDog purple flower iso
Wild Texas Tepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Crafty Fox seed train
*African Devil Piri Piri - c. frutescens - Crafty Fox seed train
*Goat’s Weed - see 2013-15 above
Pequin - Chihuahua Mexico - ? seed train

2020 - all my pods - some seeds from 2019 list,
others new varieties, a few of orig. seed left. All OP:
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989
CAP 691 - c. chinense - Red Fire, PtMD989
Texas Tepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Crafty Fox
Rocopica Brown - c. praetermissum F2 - CaneDog
c. cardenasii USDA - CaneDog
c. chacoense v Exile - PtMD989
c. chacoense PutaPario - Argentina, CaneDog
c. eximium - CaneDog
PI260501 - c. chinense - Yellow Jellybean, PtMD989
CGN 24360 - c. chinense - BB Habanero, catchthebear
Capucinno Chiltepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Semillas la Palma
Yellow Pequin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989, orig. Smokemaster
CGN 22795 - c. praetermissum - Semillas la Palma white flower
PI 238061 - c. baccatum v Baccatum - Bird Aji, PtMD989
Amarillo Chiltepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989, orig. Romy6
CAP 1141 - c. praetermissum - Brazil, CaneDog
*Wiri-Wiri - c. chinense - true, wiriwiri via CaneDog

*Not really sure if these qualify as ‘wilds’, but I think of them that way and
store the seeds together because they seem unique to me.

c. eximium

Yes bro they are all wilds.
Be glad to contribute for next year so others can enjoy the beauty of the Wild variety's.

 

[PaulG]

Season 2021 wild flower

Really nice flower pics, Leo! I recognize some,
but not others. What is the large one in the middle?

 

[ChilliCrosser]

Season 2021 wild flower

Great photos and selection, thanks for sharing!

 

[Pr0digal_son]

The 'Tolito' from Guatemala via wiriwiri.
Still leaning toward c. frutescens John?
Taken on 7/24. The canopy is now loaded
with pods. It has turned out to be a beautiful
bush:

A few flower pix to verify green-tinted flower petals and purple anthers:

In herbaria this plant would be listed as C.frutescens. That I.D. would come from a dried,pressed branch that would lose some of the characteristics that seperate species. This is very heavily influenced by C.frutescens and it may well be pure. I still think that there is annuum in it and if one hundred plants were grown,we would see more evidence.

 

[leo72]

Really nice flower pics, Leo! I recognize some,
but not others. What is the large one in the middle?

Is c.praetermissum

 

[CaneDog]

@PaulG - those rocopica flowers are cool looking. They seem to be longer petalled and with the calyx along the lines of the cardinasii mother, but split - and with the deep purple color that showed in the F1. Those are F3's of the brown rocopica, right? Have all the flowers on that plant looked like that?

@leo72 - great pic's of all those flowers and the schotti buds. Looks like you're having a great season.

 

[leo72]

@PaulG - those rocopica flowers are cool looking. They seem to be longer petalled and with the calyx along the lines of the cardinasii mother, but split - and with the deep purple color that showed in the F1. Those are F3's of the brown rocopica, right? Have all the flowers on that plant looked like that?

@leo72 - great pic's of all those flowers and the schotti buds. Looks like you're having a great season.

Thank Cane Dog

 

[leo72]

My Tolito

 

[Pr0digal_son]

C.schottianum

This is not C.shottianum. The calyces on that species have no teeth in all stages of development. The names on some of the plants in this thread come from one of many charlatans in S.E. Brazil. They are made up names and said individuals have sold 2 or 3 species as 7 or 8. If you received these seeds directly from Brazil then this is C.cornutum or maybe C.recurvatum. They are very close in their descriptions and synonymous in my opinion. I do not want to sound like an authoritarian but I have tried to protect this community and many others from these grifters. In a short period of time these sections of wild chiles will resemble the superhot fiasco. The beauty and sell on these species is apparent ,their beauty. It will be a sad day when everything is mixed and renamed.

This is a shot (in situ) of C.schottianum for reference.

 

[leo72]

This is not C.shottianum. The calyces on that species have no teeth in all stages of development. The names on some of the plants in this thread come from one of many charlatans in S.E. Brazil. They are made up names and said individuals have sold 2 or 3 species as 7 or 8. If you received these seeds directly from Brazil then this is C.cornutum or maybe C.recurvatum. They are very close in their descriptions and synonymous in my opinion. I do not want to sound like an authoritarian but I have tried to protect this community and many others from these grifters. In a short period of time these sections of wild chiles will resemble the superhot fiasco. The beauty and sell on these species is apparent ,their beauty. It will be a sad day when everything is mixed and renamed.

This is a shot (in situ) of C.schottianum for reference.

no friend, they are not seeds collected in nature, they come from plants born and grown in a private collection (I can not name the source) I understand what you are talking about, there are people who have been cultivating these for a long time, we have recently heard about these species, you find many photos on facebook, but many people have been cultivating them for years

 

[talas]

I think I no who he has bought them from and your correct there indeed not C.schottianum not his fault it's the moneymaker selling them to unwary collectors at crazy prices,buyers beware guys.

 

[leo72]

I think I no who he has bought them from and your correct there indeed not C.schottianum not his fault it's the moneymaker selling them to unwary collectors at crazy prices,buyers beware guys.

I want to clarify, I do not buy and I do not sell seeds, I only trade, a piece of advice .. do not buy on facebook or on the web from improvised sellers, I have also received rip-offs of bad seeds, not only with wild.
C.schottianum and other wilds I saw growing in Rome in Italy as early as 2010, long before they came into fashion

 

[Pr0digal_son]

C.schottianum and other wilds I saw growing in Rome in Italy as early as 2010, long before they came into fashion

I will not dispute that. That does not change the fact that what you have posted is not C.schottianum.And nobody is naive enough to think that this influx of misidentified Brazilian species and C.praetermissum like "ariely" have spawned from Central Italy.

Many of the plants you have listed,posted photos of and traded seeds for are in fact from these individuals! The massive influx of C.praetermissum is proof of that and the names attached in your posts ie. Catalao,Ariely,foresta,Rio Negro are all new from these people. Catalao is a city far from the coast where plants are mostly C.praetermissum and it just so happens to be the hometown of the individual that is in charge of that syndicate.

Whether you directly received seeds from these charlatans or not is besides the point....they came from them in some manner. It's not my job to determine who grows what,I couldn't care less to be honest. But it's the job of people in any community to protect others. If you have in fact been keen on wild Capsicum since 2010,you will surely understand that what you have is not C.schottianum and it does not benefit the plants or people growing them to not have proper identification.

This is not an attack on your character. I'm sure you are just growing and trading like the rest of us. But please don't try to insult my intelligence by saying these are from a private collection. We both know that is not true.

 

[Demented]

Someone pass the

 

[leo72]

Non lo contesterò. Ciò non cambia il fatto che ciò che hai postato non è C.schottianum.

Molte delle piante che hai elencato, pubblicato foto e scambiato semi sono in realtà di questi individui! Il massiccio afflusso di C.praetermissum ne è la prova e i nomi allegati nei tuoi post, ad es. Catalao, Ariely, foresta, Rio Negro sono tutti nuovi da queste persone. Catalao è una città lontana dalla costa dove le piante sono per lo più C.praetermissum e si dà il caso che sia la città natale dell'individuo che è responsabile di quel sindacato.

Che tu abbia ricevuto direttamente i semi da questi ciarlatani o meno è irrilevante....sono venuti da loro in qualche modo. Non è il mio lavoro determinare chi coltiva cosa, non me ne potrebbe fregare di meno ad essere onesti. Ma è compito delle persone in qualsiasi comunità proteggere gli altri. Se infatti dal 2010 sei appassionato di Capsicum selvatico, capirai sicuramente che quello che hai non è C.schottianum e non giova alle piante o alle persone che le coltivano non avere una corretta identificazione.

Questo non è un attacco al tuo personaggio. Sono sicuro che stai solo crescendo e facendo trading come il resto di noi. Ma per favore non cercare di insultare
Ci tengo a precisare, non compro e non vendo semi, faccio solo commercio, un consiglio.. non comprate su facebook o sul web da venditori improvvisati, ho ricevuto anche fregature di semi cattivi, non solo con selvaggio.
C.schottianum e altre piante selvatiche che ho visto crescere a Roma in Italia già nel 2010, molto prima che diventassero di moda

la mia intelligenza dicendo che provengono da una collezione privata. Sappiamo entrambi che non è vero.

I will not dispute that. That does not change the fact that what you have posted is not C.schottianum.And nobody is naive enough to think that this influx of misidentified Brazilian species and C.praetermissum like "ariely" have spawned from Central Italy.

Many of the plants you have listed,posted photos of and traded seeds for are in fact from these individuals! The massive influx of C.praetermissum is proof of that and the names attached in your posts ie. Catalao,Ariely,foresta,Rio Negro are all new from these people. Catalao is a city far from the coast where plants are mostly C.praetermissum and it just so happens to be the hometown of the individual that is in charge of that syndicate.

Whether you directly received seeds from these charlatans or not is besides the point....they came from them in some manner. It's not my job to determine who grows what,I couldn't care less to be honest. But it's the job of people in any community to protect others. If you have in fact been keen on wild Capsicum since 2010,you will surely understand that what you have is not C.schottianum and it does not benefit the plants or people growing them to not have proper identification.

This is not an attack on your character. I'm sure you are just growing and trading like the rest of us. But please don't try to insult my intelligence by saying these are from a private collection. We both know that is not true.

peaetermissum and c.chinense come from different people of Brazil, with the rarest Brazilian wilds I had no luck, the seeds were not good, they were not viable, to have good seeds you have to look elsewhere, not only in Brazil

 

[talas]

I want to clarify, I do not buy and I do not sell seeds, I only trade, a piece of advice .. do not buy on facebook or on the web from improvised sellers, I have also received rip-offs of bad seeds, not only with wild.
C.schottianum and other wilds I saw growing in Rome in Italy as early as 2010, long before they came into fashion

No you did not see c.schottianum in Italy in 2010..i grew it myself as did many it was later classed as Not Schottianum 19670 back in 2007 and has been since here's the article back in 2010.

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