favorite Wild Varieties-What is your favorite

Best tasting wild? Of the ones I`ve had, probably C.tovarii, but I really like C.rhomboideum as well, although it has no heat.
 
Hottest wild I`ve had is C.galapagoense, followed by certain types of Tepin. 
 
If you consider any C.chinese as a wild (which none really are IMHO), I love all of them I`ve had. Wild Brazil is wonderful, as is CGN 20800 and the Guyanan Wiri wiri. Cumari do Para is my favorite pepper of all, bar none. 
 
Nigel said:
If you consider any C.chinese as a wild (which none really are IMHO), I love all of them I`ve had. Wild Brazil is wonderful, as is CGN 20800 and the Guyanan Wiri wiri. Cumari do Para is my favorite pepper of all, bar none. 
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What's the difference between Wild Brazil and Cumari do Para? I've heard others state that they are pretty much the same. I am growing Wild Brazil this year. Have not tried either yet.
 
cloudhand said:
 
What's the difference between Wild Brazil and Cumari do Para? I've heard others state that they are pretty much the same. I am growing Wild Brazil this year. Have not tried either yet.
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In all honesty, not much. I find the flavor of Wild Brazil to be a bit "thinner" and Cumari do Para a bit richer and nuttier. There is no doubt they are quite similar, but I believe I could tell them apart in a blind tasting. 

Here`s another confusing one, at least to me. PI 596059 is in the database as C.baccatum var baccatum. I honestly cannot tell the plants from PI 439528 in any state of growth.
 
PI 596059
 

 
PI 439528 for comparison. Not the best photo, but I`m trying to show the extent of the green spots/markings.
 


 
 
Ok experts, what do we have here? Both plants look like C.baccatum var baccatum, they do not look like C.praetermissum as there is no pubescence at all. 
 
Anyone gonna shout hybrid on the pink flower? C.baccatum X C.praetermissum???
 
Nigel said:
In all honesty, not much. I find the flavor of Wild Brazil to be a bit "thinner" and Cumari do Para a bit richer and nuttier. There is no doubt they are quite similar, but I believe I could tell them apart in a blind tasting. 
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Very interesting! I am now compelled to find Cumari do Para seeds for next years grow. Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated.
 
cloudhand said:
 
Very interesting! I am now compelled to find Cumari do Para seeds for next years grow. Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated.
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There appears to be 2 forms of Cumari do Para. One is maybe 1" long and sort of elongated and blocky and another one is much smaller, maybe 0.3-0.5" and oval. I`ll look for a photo of each. 
 
This is the smaller one, sent to me by Prodigal_son.
 

 
 
And the larger one...
 
 
I agree, C.galapagoense gave me a bit of a shock with the heat. They are every bit a hot as tepins! I was given a spice flavor from them,almost like cracked peppercorn. Nigel has an epic palete. He can describe it better than I.

The flexuosum is the sweetest tasting pepper I have tasted. Not sweet like an annuum,sweet like syrup. I have dreams of them growing the size of golf balls. The heat was nearly zero but I could feel it.
Nigel said:
There appears to be 2 forms of Cumari do Para. One is maybe 1" long and sort of elongated and blocky and another one is much smaller, maybe 0.3-0.5" and oval. I`ll look for a photo of each. 
 
This is the smaller one, sent to me by Prodigal_son.
 

 
 
And the larger one...
 
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Interesting. I know Justaguy had a du para x naga type of hybrid that was similar to the large du para in your photo.

The du para I sent you was grown from isolated seed via Justaguy via Mr. Phillips...legit IMO. Compact habit. Said berries were not isolated thougg, but I do have isolated seeds.


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I think I can still taste them in my burps from last year! Jesus! They have a fair amount of flesh for that type of pod. The big bonus is the flavor without that musky taste I get from a lot of chinense.

Pissed I left them off the list!
 
Pr0digal_son said:
I agree, C.galapagoense gave me a bit of a shock with the heat. They are every bit a hot as tepins! I was given a spice flavor from them,almost like cracked peppercorn. Nigel has an epic palete. He can describe it better than I.

The flexuosum is the sweetest tasting pepper I have tasted. Not sweet like an annuum,sweet like syrup. I have dreams of them growing the size of golf balls. The heat was nearly zero but I could feel it.

Interesting. I know Justaguy had a du para x naga type of hybrid that was similar to the large du para in your photo.

The du para I sent you was grown from isolated seed via Justaguy via Mr. Phillips...legit IMO. Compact habit. Said berries were not isolated thougg, but I do have isolated seeds.


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I think I can still taste them in my burps from last year! Jesus! They have a fair amount of flesh for that type of pod. The big bonus is the flavor without that musky taste I get from a lot of chinense.

Pissed I left them off the list!
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I think your Cumari do Para are the 100% legit ones, John. However, the larger one has cropped up this year in both Australia and Texas, minimally. It does not taste like a Naga cross at all. The flavor of the larger one isn`t as explosive as the small one, it`s thinner fleshed and does not "pop" when you bite into it. I thought it was like a paler imitation of the small one. Both are extremely clean tasting chinense. As John says, none of that musky taste you get with some of them. 
 
I have plants from the seeds taken from your pods John, so I hope I can grow them out and send you a few (hundred).  :fireball:
I find the rhomboideum to be very sweet, like syrup, as you say. They taste like no other Capsicum I`ve ever eaten. There are zero annuum or chinense-like flavors in there. None whatsoever. 
 
Nigel,getting back to the PI 596059 and bac var bac...bac var praet topic. Great stuff...you are forever getting my gears churning.The purple flowered one surely does have the baccatumy streaking. A bit different than the spotting in the praets. Those are good indications of species as is the degree of pubescence that you mentioned and a ton of other things.

A similar example is the legendary C.flexuosum. We are accustomed to seeing the version released by the USDA. A white corolla with green streaks similar to what I have read the S.E. Brazil population resembles. I know lonewolf has seen and photographed a version that has red markings.

In other news....
These guys should make it to maturity as long as I keep staying out of their way.
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Pr0digal_son said:
Nigel,getting back to the PI 596059 and bac var bac...bac var praet topic. Great stuff...you are forever getting my gears churning.The purple flowered one surely does have the baccatumy streaking. A bit different than the spotting in the praets. Those are good indications of species as is the degree of pubescence that you mentioned and a ton of other things.

A similar example is the legendary C.flexuosum. We are accustomed to seeing the version released by the USDA. A white corolla with green streaks similar to what I have read the S.E. Brazil population resembles. I know lonewolf has seen and photographed a version that has red markings.

 
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I agree with you 100%, John. PI 439528 and PI 596059 both have bacc-like green streaking and the fact that the plant growth habits are as close to identical as I can tell, makes me think they are the same species/sub-species. Whether that is really C.baccatum var baccatum, I do not know, but the growth habit is VERY baccatum-like and not at all praetermissum-like.
 
A pink/purple flowering baccatum is a very interesting thing indeed. More grist for the DNA-sequencing mill! 
Claudio`s forays into SE Brazil are remarkable and that red-spotted/streaked flexuosum is both beautiful and confusing to me. 
 
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Speaking of praets and baccs.... does anyone have info on the praetermissum hybrid of Judy's? Of all the plants out there,this one has my full interest. Crazy flowers,pods and plant size!
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Um yes please. Where can I acquire seeds for this?
 
I have some growing that John may have sent me via Judy,  it is just now starting to bud off to make blooms, My eximium is looking like it should be.  The first blooms were greenish white and looked like it had crossed, but the flowers now look like pure eximium.  my Praet is fuzzy and looks like it is closers to being a true Praet over some I have grown,  these came from Chris if I remember right.
I squirreled away $50. for a few seeds and plan to add another $50. to it.   I really want to get some of the following seeds for next year C. parvifolium, C. tovarii. C. flexuosum, C. lanceolatum,  and a true C. cardenasii, to add to what I have already.  I know Judy has some along with Rainbowchiliseeds and one other I plan to start ordering pretty soon so that I can get as many fresh seeds as I can, I believe that was part of my problem with my Galapagoense seeds as they were from a fresh batch and all sprouted right away. I was also wondering if there was a definitive book describing all the known true wilds that might be for sale somewhere?
 
FreeportBum said:
Um yes please. Where can I acquire seeds for this?
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Judy at Pepperlover.com labelled as "Blue Mystery"
wildseed57 said:
I have some growing that John may have sent me via Judy,  it is just now starting to bud off to make blooms, My eximium is looking like it should be.  The first blooms were greenish white and looked like it had crossed, but the flowers now look like pure eximium.  my Praet is fuzzy and looks like it is closers to being a true Praet over some I have grown,  these came from Chris if I remember right.
I squirreled away $50. for a few seeds and plan to add another $50. to it.   I really want to get some of the following seeds for next year C. parvifolium, C. tovarii. C. flexuosum, C. lanceolatum,  and a true C. cardenasii, to add to what I have already.  I know Judy has some along with Rainbowchiliseeds and one other I plan to start ordering pretty soon so that I can get as many fresh seeds as I can, I believe that was part of my problem with my Galapagoense seeds as they were from a fresh batch and all sprouted right away. I was also wondering if there was a definitive book describing all the known true wilds that might be for sale somewhere?
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Glad to hear you are getting good flowers and your plants are reaching for the sky, George.
 
True C.parvifolium, which is now called C.caatingae, isn`t available, at least to my knowledge. For now, I`d say hold on to your money as far as C.cardenasii goes, too. There are a number of NOT-cardenasii out there, but true cardenasii is proving to be extremely rare. Even CGN 20497, which was thought to be a true cardenasii until the last few weeks, looks like it may not be. It needs more examination, obviously. 
 
Pr0digal_son said:
Speaking of praets and baccs.... does anyone have info on the praetermissum hybrid of Judy's? Of all the plants out there,this one has my full interest. Crazy flowers,pods and plant size!

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Wow hard to believe that is a pepper flower. One more for the 2015 list!
 
I don't think there is much info about Judy's mystery Blue even Judy doesn't say much about it. I think it would take a gene sequencer to shed light about it. I at first thought it might be a Praetermissum cross, but the color reminds me of a eximium in some ways so for now it will remain a mystery at least for me.

Well I guess I will scratch off a couple for now, there is still some interesting wilds like C. tovarii out there along with lanceolatum, I thought there might be a Buforum out there, but that looks like it might not be true also.
 
Nigel said:
Judy at Pepperlover.com labelled as "Blue Mystery"

Glad to hear you are getting good flowers and your plants are reaching for the sky, George.
 
True C.parvifolium, which is now called C.caatingae, isn`t available, at least to my knowledge. For now, I`d say hold on to your money as far as C.cardenasii goes, too. There are a number of NOT-cardenasii out there, but true cardenasii is proving to be extremely rare. Even CGN 20497, which was thought to be a true cardenasii until the last few weeks, looks like it may not be. It needs more examination, obviously. 
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I went to the website to order but i don;t see the blue mystery seeds listed anymore? am I missing them. thanks
 
I was at her site yesterday and didn't see it either, it could be that she is no longer selling it or is out of them, you could ask her about them.
 
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