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favorite Wild Varieties-What is your favorite

The "blue mystery" I am growing is not from Judy. It is originally from her but my seeds are from a european friend. The pods on mine resemble portuges. My friends were more rounded.

My flowers are darker than any praetermissum I have grown. They are as dark as a pubescens flower. They don't have pronunced streaks either. Only one fruit per node also. Super vigorous plant. It is eye level with me in a 1/2 gallon pot. My guess would be a praet/baccy hybrid.
 
The "blue mystery" I am growing is not from Judy. It is originally from her but my seeds are from a european friend. The pods on mine resemble portuges. My friends were more rounded.

My flowers are darker than any praetermissum I have grown. They are as dark as a pubescens flower. They don't have pronunced streaks either. Only one fruit per node also. Super vigorous plant. It is eye level with me in a 1/2 gallon pot. My guess would be a praet/baccy hybrid.


I got some of them dried pods from the seed train. Originally from Portuge and I tried a few times to germinate with no success.

The pods do look like a pequin, Praetermissum genes are in there for sure but the other part is very odd. Sometimes I spend the whole day reading up on forums about wilds and this blue mystery is a real mystery.

-Walt
 
For Blue Mystery seeds, I`d PM Judy to find out. It could be she is out until new plants produce later this year. I`m not sure if I have seeds or not, let me look.
 
John, interesting that the Blue Mystery went from Judy to Europe and back to you, but brought more colour with it on it`s way back. Selective propagation of a deeply coloured version that cropped up in Europe, maybe?
 
Vegas_Chili said:
I got some of them dried pods from the seed train. Originally from Portuge and I tried a few times to germinate with no success.The pods do look like a pequin, Praetermissum genes are in there for sure but the other part is very odd. Sometimes I spend the whole day reading up on forums about wilds and this blue mystery is a real mystery.-Walt
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Hey Walt, When the Blue mystery is ripe will most definitely sends you some new ones to try...
 
I will have seeds soon also. Curious to see how many seeds are in the pods and how they are arranged. Next year I am putting this plant in the ground and pushing it to it's limits.

Nigel said:
For Blue Mystery seeds, I`d PM Judy to find out. It could be she is out until new plants produce later this year. I`m not sure if I have seeds or not, let me look.
 
John, interesting that the Blue Mystery went from Judy to Europe and back to you, but brought more colour with it on it`s way back. Selective propagation of a deeply coloured version that cropped up in Europe, maybe?
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I think it was only grown one season. My fruit shape is alittle different than theirs. If I get back into town at a decent hour,I will take a photo to show the color matched up against other praets.
 
Pr0digal_son said:
I will have seeds soon also. Curious to see how many seeds are in the pods and how they are arranged. Next year I am putting this plant in the ground and pushing it to it's limits.


I think it was only grown one season. My fruit shape is alittle different than theirs. If I get back into town at a decent hour,I will take a photo to show the color matched up against other praets.
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The color of the flower you posted is crazy. if at some point cough cough you have a couple of extra seeds I promise to grow them. if not no worries. all the best
 
Pr0digal_son said:
Speaking of praets and baccs.... does anyone have info on the praetermissum hybrid of Judy's? Of all the plants out there,this one has my full interest. Crazy flowers,pods and plant size!

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What a beautiful flower! (And that;s all I have to say about that. )
 
Getting the mystery blue to germinate was easy for me along with getting the C. galapagoense to grow for me this time around,
I think it was because the seeds were fresh as all my wilds germinated in 6 to 8 days with the eximiums popping at 14 days, This was a very happy first after trying 3 or 4 times with the galapagoense with no success, I was very surprised as they were the first to sprout.
I was sure that I would lose them all as my heating mat and the small room heater had died the year before so the seed only got the heat from my lights over the small grow set ups that I got at Walmart. I will have a new heating mat and better lighting for next year's grow.
 
The next grow will start in Dec. to give every thing plenty of time to come up, I have a few interesting grow outs from a F5 Purple annuum X galapagoense that I got several years back from my friend J. F. and have been selecting to get the two separated, what I have now is one that looks like a chiltepin with a very small amount of blue in the flowers and one that I have selected out for this year that has leaves that look a little more like a galapagoense but without the fuzziness. It is still small and has not started to branch or bud out yet, it will be interesting to see what I got. I also have a interesting simi wild C. frutescens that I got from my friend Chris that I'm growing for the second time the pods are about 1/2 x 3/4 long and pack a good bite to them.
Judy's Mystery Blue is really branching out, I can't wait to see what the flowers look like and what shape the pods will have, from the pics that have been posted the little pods look great.
 
Next years garden will be mostly in large containers as they will be cheaper and easier to work with than rebuilding a bunch of worn out raised beds.  I already have about a 1/3rd of what I will need and getting all the soil I'll need will come in bags and not just a load of Topsoil that I will have to wheelbarrow to the garden along with pulling weeds out by hand every year from the crabgrass and dandelions trying to take over the beds, that will save my back a lot of work.
 
My granddaughter has a small cam that might work better than mine so hopefully I can download some better pics of the flowers and pods. The ones I have now are not very good and I will use them as a last resort to post some photo's.
 
My seeds were from a european friend. Bell-shaped corolla,very light purple color and tan colored seeds.

I know there is a lot of debate about a true cardenasii. From what I see and feel(which probably isn't true) they should have a campanulate flower and similar berry and growth habit as an eximium.

When I think of a campanulate flower,tovarii comes to mind. A perfect example. It will only open up so far no matter if it's in shade or sun.

C.cardenasii is campanulate. CAP1530(whatever the hell it is) looks to be but it does open up given the right conditions. When I picture a true cardenasii,I see a bat's wing. Imagine taking it's wing at it's apex and then stretching the opposite ends of the wings around and connecting them. It's primitive thinking but that is how my little brain works.
 
Pr0digal_son said:
My seeds were from a european friend. Bell-shaped corolla,very light purple color and tan colored seeds.

I know there is a lot of debate about a true cardenasii. From what I see and feel( which probably isn't true) they should have a campanulate flower and similar berry and growth habit as an eximium.

When I think of a campanulate flower, tovarii comes to mind. A perfect example. It will only open up so far no matter if it's in shade or sun.

C.cardenasii is campanulate. CAP1530 (whatever the hell it is) looks to be but it does open up given the right conditions. When I picture a true cardenasii,I see a bat's wing. Imagine taking it's wing at it's apex and then stretching the opposite ends of the wings around and connecting them. It's primitive thinking but that is how my little brain works.
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John, could you send me a PM please?
 
Bloody thing isn`t open yet, but this is from seeds labelled as C.cardenasii via a friend in Europe.
 


 
The growth habit of my 2 plants from these seeds are very vine-like and rambling, needing support. None of the 9 C.eximiums I`m growing are remotely similar EXCEPT CAP 1530. And even CAP 1530 isn`t as vine-like. 
 
This is the CAP 1530 flower. Quite obviously it does not conform to the description of C.cardenasii. My suspicion is that this is an undescribed species allied to C.eximium, just as C.eschbaughii is. 
 
 

 

 
/\  That is so pretty.  Don't you wish that was an inch or two across and faced upward?
 
Vegas_Chili said:
Here's a couple shots of the true Cardenasii. Pics from Claudio from pepperfriends forum.





-Walt
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Yes! This is what I consider true cardenasii and what reminds me of the bat wings! The berries are similar in size to eximium and habit is similar also.

The calyx on CAP1530 resembles cardenasii also. Purple and short teeth.
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Nigel said:
Bloody thing isn`t open yet, but this is from seeds labelled as C.cardenasii via a friend in Europe.  The growth habit of my 2 plants from these seeds are very vine-like and rambling, needing support. None of the 9 C.eximiums I`m growing are remotely similar EXCEPT CAP 1530. And even CAP 1530 isn`t as vine-like.  This is the CAP 1530 flower. Quite obviously it does not conform to the description of C.cardenasii. My suspicion is that this is an undescribed species allied to C.eximium, just as C.eschbaughii is.    
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The 1530 is probably my favorite flower...well maybe just because I'm looking at it now. :lol: But honestly,whatever it is,you will not find many if any chile flowers more beautiful. The white trim around the corolla is so unique.

As far as cardenasii,ulupica,large ulupica,etc... I have seen a lot of ulupica that I feel are interspecific hybrids....rocopicas or whatever you want to call them. All are very promiscuous for wilds. The one rocopica I have going this year is a dead ringer for what I have seen labeled "large ulupica" in some european groups. It is crazy because my berries are smaller than the fruit that the seeds are from.

Claudio has been growing this specific hybrid for 6 or 7 seasons and has seen variations in fruit size,corolla color,markings and shape. Even from isolated seed and cloned individuals. That doesn't rule out cross pollination in some instances because I'm sure it happens a lot,but it is interesting that it happened with pure seed.

What makes my head spin even more is I am watching the blossoms change on my plant as the season goes on. The flowers originally were dark violet with some nice colors inside,and they were opened up quite a bit. Now they are almost turning blue,no interior markings and are campanulate. Barely can see the anthers.
 
Pr0digal_son said:
Yes! This is what I consider true cardenasii and what reminds me of the bat wings! The berries are similar in size to eximium and habit is similar also.

The calyx on CAP1530 resembles cardenasii also. Purple and short teeth.
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The 1530 is probably my favorite flower...well maybe just because I'm looking at it now. :lol: But honestly,whatever it is,you will not find many if any chile flowers more beautiful. The white trim around the corolla is so unique.

As far as cardenasii,ulupica,large ulupica,etc... I have seen a lot of ulupica that I feel are interspecific hybrids....rocopicas or whatever you want to call them. All are very promiscuous for wilds. The one rocopica I have going this year is a dead ringer for what I have seen labeled "large ulupica" in some european groups. It is crazy because my berries are smaller than the fruit that the seeds are from.

Claudio has been growing this specific hybrid for 6 or 7 seasons and has seen variations in fruit size,corolla color,markings and shape. Even from isolated seed and cloned individuals. That doesn't rule out cross pollination in some instances because I'm sure it happens a lot,but it is interesting that it happened with pure seed.

What makes my head spin even more is I am watching the blossoms change on my plant as the season goes on. The flowers originally were dark violet with some nice colors inside,and they were opened up quite a bit. Now they are almost turning blue,no interior markings and are campanulate. Barely can see the anthers.
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Lovely photos, as usual John! 
 
I think CAP1530 is my favorite flower as well. The berries are nice and warm with good flavor, too! 
 
My suspicion is that there are a lot of Rocopicas out there, either wild collected or made in people`s gardens. The C.cardenasii var pendulum grown in northern Europe is one of those. Great flowers, wonderful plants, but not C.cardenasii. If cardenasii is truly self-incompatible it would be easy to see how so many hybrids are produced. It is also easy to see how the plants would be ultra variable if they were hybrids. Remember the Reaper and it`s variations. 
 
One thing that is apparent is that eximium/cardenasii is a bloody mess, taxonomically. So, with a bit of luck I`ll get some DNA sequence data on a lot of accession numbered types, plus Rocopica and even C.pubescens. I have 9 eximiums, as I said, possibly cardenasii, CGN 20497, large Rocopica from you and 2 different Bolivian C.pubescens. Fingers crossed that some interpretable information comes to light!
 
Thanks for the input. The picture below is similar to what I have seen in euro circles as "ulupica". Some of them are rounder, larger/smaller. These are the size of a lemonhead candy and tasty to boot.Juiciness of pubescens,prolificacy of eximium and less grassy aftertaste. I will make some time to get more detailed photos by Sunday.
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